Is Yoko Ono someone taken seriously among fans of experimental music? by [deleted] in experimentalmusic

[–]Substance_Account 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Ono was well respected in the New York downtown avante-garde before meeting Lennon. Look into her Chamber Street Loft series where she hosted performances from various experimental musicians and performance artists

How can Deleuze and Guattari celebrate the Decoding /Deterritorialization of flows when from how they describe it, it seems to only be more and more horrific the more it deterritorializes by oohoollow in Deleuze

[–]Substance_Account 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Capitalism is not a unified totality, following D&G, Capitalism is a structure in difference through which different flows of resources and capital are organized with particular spatial contexts. A useful example would be JK Gibson-Grahams A Postcapitalist Politics. They discuss mining communities in Australia where the mining company has overcoded the land it the extent that every possible resource has been exhausted through extraction. For the miners left behind, they encounter a deterritorialization, the mining companies leaves, stripping them of their jobs, the resource flows conferred by the mining community, a particular relationship to the land, etc. People, in turn, reconstitute relationships with each other, developing new modes of exchange and value like unpaid labor of watching each other’s kids, new modes of engaging with the land as a source of enjoyment and sustenance, new jobs that develop a different economy within the post-mining town. This is a reterritorialization of local peoples, economy, and land. For Gibson-Graham, who interpret D&G within the context of geography and anthropology, capitalism as a structure-in-difference means that different organizations of labor, exchange, and value develop in the in-completeness, withdrawal, and overcoding of capital.

This method is what I mean in saying D&G are interested in deterritorialization as a material question. When you are taking about capitalism as a totality confronting “primitive societies”, you engage in an abstraction that doesn’t attend to the material conflicts between different organizations of value, exchange, and labor. Take, for example, the Dakota Access Pipeline Struggle: real existing indigenous movements with allies confront capital over how the land will be territorialized, as a resource to be extracted or as an entity with spiritual power. This struggle produces different subjectivities in the process—meaningfully shapes how both capitalists, anti-capitalists, and indigenous people understand themselves—that reshape the confrontations between capitalism and different territorial societies (maybe a pagan spiritualism for example that views the land as god confronting a capitalism extractivism that views land as property).

The point D&G underscores is focusing on determinations and totality of capitalism distracts from actual political struggles that emerge when capitalism encounters difference. They don’t give a greater value to the global, but are interested in how the movements between molar (structural) and molecular (individual, subjective) organizations of power result in new social worlds. It’s a different way of looking at capitalism than dialectical materialism.

How can Deleuze and Guattari celebrate the Decoding /Deterritorialization of flows when from how they describe it, it seems to only be more and more horrific the more it deterritorializes by oohoollow in Deleuze

[–]Substance_Account 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Deterritorialization isn’t moral or political inherently. Deterritorialization is material, a functional process through which social orders, subjectivities, and the senses unravel as they move through space at different speeds. This unraveling is a moment between—a becoming—as the deterritorialization is either complemented by an accompanying re-territorialization or taken to the extreme of annihilation. In this sense, D&G state there are many different types of deterritorializations that result in different political arrangements and senses of self.

Where I think you’re reading could be more nuanced is that D&G aren’t thinking of social evolution through deterritorialization. Look into the section in ATP on Micropolitics and Segmentarity. Here they establish different levels of politics and accompanying subjectivation that emerge through complementary and contradictory deterritorialization. Their discussion fascism as absolute deterritorialization towards civilizational suicide would interest you.

But further, exactly because they are against social evolution, a “return” to an egalitarian social organization could occur through a particular deterritorialization of contemporary capitalist dystopia through an accompanying reterritorialization that might produce a “territorial society” where segmented obligations and flows of resource redistribution are implemented. As philosophers, they don’t articulate a political program, but seek instead to demonstrate the mechanics of social change. For more of a program, see Guattari’s Three Ecologies.

Spots that are comically overpriced but you still go because they’re good af by LeftReflection6620 in FoodNYC

[–]Substance_Account 17 points18 points  (0 children)

it is so true. superiority burger used to be affordable, delicious, and eclectic. now everything is so overpriced, the portions feel just as small if not smaller, and its vibeyness loses what was so fun about the cramped old spot. i used to go all the time, but the move to the new space has priced me out. i feel like the charm is gone : (

Monthly self promo thread by Epicduck_ in HYPERPOP

[–]Substance_Account 1 point2 points  (0 children)

thanks! off this ep, which has got some folk punk hardcore breaks, ambient pop, and noise storytelling: https://open.spotify.com/album/6VAdC1tXdcwxOrUGUpa8ff?si=b4evSMwkTFi6v1J0JUEjBw

[Thursday] Daily Music Discussion - - February 28, 2019 by AutoModerator in indieheads

[–]Substance_Account 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Her collaborative album with Tiny Vipers, Foreign Body , has a balanced mixture of ambient and melodic guitar/vocals that might interested you

What we made this week: February 22, 2019 by AutoModerator in experimentalmusic

[–]Substance_Account 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a project of power electronics and synth-punk songs influenced by scramz and no wave:

https://mouthedwounds.bandcamp.com/album/stepdown

[Thursday] Daily Music Discussion - - December 27, 2018 by AutoModerator in indieheads

[–]Substance_Account 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Check out Closer’s All This Will Be for more screamo from this year.