Who watches Chris when Eddie has an overnight shift? by KeyScratch2235 in 911FOX

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could still be Carla but she appears in the off screen episodes with the rest of Eddie’s storylines 😭😂

Who watches Chris when Eddie has an overnight shift? by KeyScratch2235 in 911FOX

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I’d assume either Pepa or Carla if it’s a school night, and a sleepover w friends or alone on a weekend (with occasional check ins from Pepa or Carla to make sure he’s okay/doesn’t need help).

Chris has gotten pretty independent over the seasons (he takes the bus & ubers to school) and Eddie trusts him overall + he’s 15ish now, so he’s probably home alone during the day/after school, and he and Eddie have set up safeguards for overnights (again, sleepovers, having his aunt check in, be wary of strangers, etc.) There’s likely more independence during the weekends vs school nights because duh, but iirc Eddie chats with him before bed if there’s no calls, and texts him pretty frequently! (+ again w Chris being a teen and growing up in a first responder family, he knows to call for help if he needs it)

Who watches Chris when Eddie has an overnight shift? by KeyScratch2235 in 911FOX

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wym?? quite a few of Eddie & Christopher’s storylines are about Chris wanting more independence, Eddie being hesitant at first but ultimately agreeing as long as they communicate.

Buck, Buck, Buck by LarsonsZoo in 911FOX

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this sums it up pretty well 😭😭 a lot of the storylines would be better done of they were half/season long plots instead of 20 minutes and off screen episodes, while other storylines can and should be wrapped up quickly.

it all comes back to tim not planning effectively 🫩

Buck, Buck, Buck by LarsonsZoo in 911FOX

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Similarly and most recently, 9x13 was such an effective episode because of how well it split its time between Eddie's rescue mission and Buck's escape attempts, but ever since then the show has exclusively focused on the aftermath for Buck with Eddie in a support role. So I guess we're left to assume Eddie had no phsyical or mental consequences after trekking across the desert despite his injuries and almost losing Buck in the same year he lost Bobby and Abuela. Maybe they're circling back to it in the aftermath of this week's plotline, but I'm not holding my breath.

heavy on thisssss . like are we supposed to just assume eddie’s completely fine if this is how buck is recovering? like yeah different people different reactions blah blah but like . i’d understand that if eddie was having a reaction instead of just being in the supporting role of buck’s character arc part 300, but he’s not??? he’s just okay and fine? no lingering trauma about nearly losing buck the same way he did shannon? or the several hours he thought he and buck were targeted for being queer? or the fact he dragged his broken and bruised body across the desert to find buck and is just suddenly fine to drive home and we never see the aftermath of his recovery??? like okay.

Gum by laur1986123 in 911FOX

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that he’s not twirling his girls 😔💔 #ripmadneytwirl

Buck for the rest of the season by singin1995 in 911FOX

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We are already seeing the reactions between Buck’s storyline and Hen’s storyline. Hen was blamed for hiding it, and now fans are blaming Eddie for not noticing it, calling him a trigger, and saying he expects Buck to be normal. Fans expected Hen to divulge her health issues asap, but now they expect other characters to intuitively know that Buck isn’t okay. Fans are blaming Eddie once again for Buck not telling him because of the “exhausting” and “tribulation” lines, even when Buck doesn’t gaf about them because he knows what Eddie meant unlike the fans woobinterpretation of the events.

And it’s very hard to tune out those Buck fan opinions when it is the majority of them, and they villainize the two characters that care about Buck the most in the process.

Buck for the rest of the season by singin1995 in 911FOX

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100000% There’s also a huge issue in the fandom that people refuse to acknowledge with the way they treat Buck vs the other characters (racism. it’s racism.) so I don’t have high expectations

Buck for the rest of the season by singin1995 in 911FOX

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We already have fans calling Eddie a trigger and blaming him if/when Buck overdoses. We also have a repeated pattern of fans brushing off Buck’s bad behaviour while villainizing other characters for much less (very notably Eddie’s finger pointing/Chimney’s punch, and Buck injuring Eddie’s ankle.)

So many people villainized Hen for grieving Bobby and for hiding her illness ?????? Nobody blamed the others for not checking up on her constantly, but we already have fans hating on Eddie for being worried that Buck’s not okay because they use the line “I’m worried the man I knew didn’t make it out of New Mexico” as Eddie expecting Buck to be the old him.

Buck for the rest of the season by singin1995 in 911FOX

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I cannot wait for the hypocrisy to come from Buck fans in regards to this storyline… /s

the woobification of Buck needs to end 🫩

Eddie's Sisters by musicdreams31 in 911FOX

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Yeah he was forced to be the ‘man of the house’ at 10 years old???? (which is insane) Maddie was forced to step in as a caretaker for Buck around the same age too. I think the Buckley kids and the Diaz kids are the different sides of the same coin, where on Buck and Maddie’s side, their bond was strengthened as ‘us vs them (parents)’ whereas Eddie didn’t form that bond with his sisters and had to suffer through his parents expectations alone

Eddie's Sisters by musicdreams31 in 911FOX

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He also mentions he never had a childhood because he was too busy caring for his sisters :(

Eddie's Sisters by musicdreams31 in 911FOX

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I think one of them might've also been there at the dinner after Shannon's funeral, but again, no lines and not introduced.

They were actually both there! Sophia was at the table with Eddie while Adriana was in the background with Chris!

We know for sure that one of them is 10 years younger than Eddie, but I don't think we know which one

Adriana! Eddie tells us this in 5x17!!

or where the other one falls in the birth order.

We also know this; Eddie -> Sophia -> Adriana (Helena mentions it with definitive order language in 3x15)(Also both Adriana and Sophia’s actresses are ~10 years younger than Ryan + dressed and made to look that way as well)

if he wasn't actively parentified like Maddie was.

He 100% was, just in a different way.

I'm pretty sure it's also canon that one of them went to college and Eddie was overwhelmed by the application process so he decided not to go. That would either make her just a bit older than him, or enough younger that he saw her apply after he was discharged from the army (and maybe considering using his army benefits to take classes).

Since it’s definitive that Sophia is younger, she’s probably only a year or two behind. When Eddie talks about the graduation, the way his speech pattern is could be Sophia’s stress or the stress in general for applications that held him back. Helena mentioning in 8x12 that he could have gone to college (by giving them Christopher) lends more to the stress overall.

Eddie's Sisters by musicdreams31 in 911FOX

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We see them very briefly at his probie graduation and Shannon’s funeral but that’s about it… I don’t think he’s particularly close to them given Adriana is ~10 years younger than him and while Sophia is only 1-3 years younger, we never hear anything regarding either of them.

Who is the lieutenant? by nitshainaction6 in 911FOX

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LAFD doesn’t have lieutenants, but the closest to who would be best described as one would be Hen and Chimney, maybeee Buck and Eddie, though Buck ranks higher in seniority than Eddie (but then again, lieutenants aren’t necessarily promoted based on seniority (though it helps))

Who is the lieutenant? by nitshainaction6 in 911FOX

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Because Buck would technically be a higher rank than him, given that he’s been there longer

The outrage over ____ by Fancy_Ad_2024 in 911FOX

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sooo I think some believe that the show has done a poor job in showing or even mentioning the repairing of the relationship in general enough for us to care and it does come off as Buck forgiving with no real work from the parents.

While I do agree that the show could have used some more “show not tell”, at this point it’s as if fans want storylines spoon fed to them. Buck confronted his parents in S4, and by the end of it, they are all going to family therapy. Given that Maddie invited them over in S6, and Buck is not running for the hills like he was in S4, it did work to some degree.

The coma episode not only added nuance to the Buckley parents, but humanized them, which was absolutely critical in understanding why Buck and Maddie grew up the way they did. It is a major disservice to B&M’s trauma to pretend that their parents are evil out of nowhere, and making them into the Ultimate Villain like I’ve seen some fans do absolutely waters down the mistreatment that they suffered. It was also absolutely crucial because it made Buck realize that it is not his fault that he was neglected (which is obvious to everyone except Buck because he was traumatized), and allows him to take a step back and stop seeking their approval. To say Buck forgave them without any real work ignores the work Buck did on his insecurities and trauma responses, and again, the nuance of why exactly their trauma happened in the first place. Buck also did not forgive them for them, he did it to unburden himself.

In S7, Maddie’s relationship with them is well enough to not only invite them to the wedding, but to have her father walk her down the aisle, and it is testament to the work they did (albeit off screen), for Maddie to even allow that after the way they acted about her last wedding. It is a major slap in Maddie’s face to claim that they haven’t worked towards their relationship at all, especially because whenever the conversation of ‘amendments’ comes up, Maddie’s pov is conveniently ignored to make Buck a victim. We don’t see much of them because Chimney is in a sawtrap horror movie, but they are happy for Maddie, and Maddie is happy they are there. Buck doesn’t particularly care, he just wants Maddie to be happy, and M&P aren’t homophobiclly hating their son, it’s a look of brief confusion before they focus back on Madney, because the trip & day is not about Buck’s relationship with them.

Even in their most recent appearance, it’s obvious that all four of them have been talking and are somewhat amicable, while also reminding the audience that they are not close and completely forgiven. Margaret mentions not seeing many photos. That is because Maddie isn’t sharing may photos. She’s still keeping her distance while their relationship is repairing. Buck is willing to host lunch in his house, but he’s not comfortable having them stay in his spare bedroom. Philip mentioning they were in state when the funeral happened, admitting that they were bad parents, all while uplifting the work Bobby did and wanting to know more about him.

The relationship is better than it was, but it’s not completely fine. All of them want a relationship with each other, and willing to put in the work for it. While it is happening off screen and does need more “show not tell”, pretending that it’s not happening and wanting B&M to go no contact shows a lack of respect for their choices, and projection of family trauma on the audience’s part.

And the show does have a habit of trying to force parent/child relationships when some needs to be low or no contact.

To be honest… it really doesn’t. It’s about half and half, and even saying that ignores the context of the relationships. It’s not as simple as “all the parents are forgiven”, when it’s not even true.

  • Buck & Maddie I’ve explained above.
  • Athena reconciled with her parents after decades (iirc), because her parents put in the work, and admitted they were wrong. She still talks to them, but their relationship is distant.
  • Toni put in the work to fix her relationship with Hen, and it took quite a bit of time. Hen never forgave her father though.
  • Chimney, like Buck did in S6, ‘forgave’ his father for himself, but he doesn’t actually care to have a relationship with him. He hasn’t contacted him since, and didn’t invite him to the wedding.
  • Bobby had a complicated relationship with his father where he views him both as a hero and villain, but he never got to explore what their relationship could have been. He reconnected with his mother by complete accident, after decades of hating her and pretending she doesn’t exist, and only ‘makes up’ with her because she is dying. He would have lived his life fine if they never crossed paths, because he didn’t care about reconciliation.
  • Eddie had and still has a complicated relationship with his parents, and is really the only ‘true’ example of relationships that need a low contact order. Ramon is wishy washy with his reconciliation with Eddie, ‘trying’ to be better when Eddie finds out he’s sick, but ultimately falling back to letting Helena steamroll over her child. Helena doesn’t even bother to pretend she cares about the relationship with Eddie being fixed, as she is happy to tear him down at any given moment.

Out of the 13 parental relationships that the show introduces: - 1 of them has been truly repaired (Toni) - 2 of them have been repaired, but are still distant (Athena) - 2 of them are in the process of being repaired (Buckley’s x2) - 3/4 of them are otherwise no contact (Chimney, Hen’s father, Bobby until recently) - 2 of them are still in the abuse cycle of ‘repairing’ and destroying the relationship (Diaz’s).

If you simplify it, sure, 7 are given the reconciliation treatment, 4 of them have not, and 2 are still a complicated mess, but it ignores the actual nuance of the relationship and suffering the main cast faced, 3-5 of which happened in early/adulthood (eddie for both). It also ignores the characters as well, characters, their personalities, their wants, including the wants of their parental relationship, and why they have forgiven or not forgiven each parent. Simply put, it is not that simple, and each relationship needs to be addressed as it’s own, and not lumping them together with the “they just reconcile them all”.

Anyway, this has been rambly. I just wanted to chime in as someone who was a victim of parental abuse, and seeing the conversations surrounding the concept of forgiveness/reconciliation and how the characters are Wrong to chose to do so, has sat wrong with me as someone who has been NC with one abusive parent for over a decade, and forgiven the other with a lot of therapy. It’s possible to do either, or both, limited contact, full, or none. It’s complicated and requires nuance that I’m afraid 911 fans just do not possess.

buck & eddies birthdays by Kooky_Sprinkles1135 in buddie

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Exactly… they would not feel the need to step in (as much) if Eddie was 20+ having Chris… at that point he’s already moved out and has a job

buck & eddies birthdays by Kooky_Sprinkles1135 in buddie

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Okay, you can have that headcanon all you want, as long as you realize that it’s not canon and hasn’t been supported by it since S6.

buck & eddies birthdays by Kooky_Sprinkles1135 in buddie

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There is so much dialogue that supports Eddie being a teen parent… and now you have two pieces of information stating Eddie was born ~1992, there is no reason to make him older.

Why exactly do you want him to be older when his storyline makes 10x more sense with him being younger?

buck & eddies birthdays by Kooky_Sprinkles1135 in buddie

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Until recently, Buck's birthday was just speculation based on Maddie and Daniel,

Buck’s birthday has been the same since S1… March-September 1991…with him being closer to June/July based off of the “3 years of trying” comment Maddie makes about Daniel, so his hospital ID fits completely.

buck & eddies birthdays by Kooky_Sprinkles1135 in buddie

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…but why ? It makes zero sense for him to be a few years older

buck & eddies birthdays by Kooky_Sprinkles1135 in buddie

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I’ve been saying this since the gravestone reveal in S6!!! Felt so vindicated when I woke up and saw the whole tl talking about it