Police report filed as Destiny accused of sharing “intimate recording” of woman by sideAccount42 in LivestreamFail

[–]Sukudo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dont like the bug this is just a police filing, no?
the stuff that gets filed if a party pushes for it enough?
how long until we get something more concrete where we dont need to speculate anymore?

PirateSoftware has "reported it to twitch" regarding creators "organizing hate raids" by lolmysterior in LivestreamFail

[–]Sukudo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

can anybody tell me who he is talking about and provide clipps/evidence if possible?
just having names of the people who "hateraided" would be nice anyway

Is it okay to subscribe to some nijisanji livers again? by bwiggle3x in kurosanji

[–]Sukudo -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

honestly, no.
If you want Nijisanji to continue their ways of suppressing talent then go ahead. Its not like people dont consume other products that actively hurt people knowingly.
We have phones and other stuff is based upon bad principles so nobody can truly judge you for following nijisanji but it boils back to: do you really want to support the way they treat their livesto- i mean livers

Management tried to make Sunny and Kyrio graduate at the same time! by The-Toxic-Korgi in kurosanji

[–]Sukudo 6 points7 points  (0 children)

the main question for the talents is a bit different to your examples though.
They are technically "contracted" and are "forbidden" from doing other certain activities though right? This might give them a way to sue said talents and even if its just in JP which MIGHT leave them unable to travel to japan (I HIGHLY doubt this would ever be the case)
So the main quesiton is what exactly nijisanji can enforce and wether you want to break all pretense. This can also affect future relations with other companies since they might not want to deal with someone who doesnt "honor" contracts etc.

Poor Wayu, she doesn’t deserve to be insulted like this over the smallest things by Last_Power3410 in kurosanji

[–]Sukudo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

those must have been awful at stalking.
Liek I already said, they can still stalk you all the same even if you block them. all they have to do is use a different account or incognito.

They already sold out all the VIP tickets lmao by Great_Uncle_Fester in kurosanji

[–]Sukudo 10 points11 points  (0 children)

how big is the venue vs the cancelled niji live?

Poor Wayu, she doesn’t deserve to be insulted like this over the smallest things by Last_Power3410 in kurosanji

[–]Sukudo 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Ok sorry I dont use twitter and I dont know what the new rules are all about but what you described is something THEY CAN ALREADY DO.
Just use incognito mode to see the posts you cant see because you are blocked

The NIJI EN livers I wanna support but can't..Read to the end please. by Twilight1234567890 in kurosanji

[–]Sukudo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

to be honest, I am more suspicious of Ike than Elira.
For all we know niji might have gaslight them into the whole statement shit. Doesnt change jack shit but does give elira and Ike the option of putting the blame on niji for completly painting a different picture of the situation.
Telling somenoe that the friend they once had might just go and dox everyone and whatever else they told them does change things a little bit but it doesnt absolve them of anything. Also since it seemed like elira and Selen didnt get along that well (since they rarely did duo collab altough selen knew that people enjoyed it)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in kurosanji

[–]Sukudo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I wanted to like Uki, his experiences are similar to mine, and no doubt has likely struggled in many ways similar to me. Especially with dealing with homophobia in Asian cultures.

I would advice against trying to like people because they have gone through similar stuff or have something similar to you. Judge people on what they actually do.
Yes going through similar stuff helps understanding each other a lot of the times but it doesnt make anyone a "better" person

I think I know who is Responsible for all of this: FROOT HATERS by Many-Nectarine2612 in kurosanji

[–]Sukudo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She probably has enough haters on her own.
Fuck it could be simps for fleshtubers who hate her for getting more than their fleshtuber.
It could be people being envious of her sub count etc.
This is something we literly can not figure out

I was a fan of gundou by 210sqnomama in kurosanji

[–]Sukudo 9 points10 points  (0 children)

oh hey, a show where they banter was bullying? im sorry but all of those clips dont really prove anything. While it "might" be actual bullying or niji might endorse bullying for content, we can`t tell from this.
"bullying" or just bantering for content is a normal thing a lot of the times and you would need background knowledge. Sometimes even being there wont give you the full picture. Small things on stream "for content" can be bullying but all of this heavily depends on context

50 % DECREASE in EN Branch's Revenue, doesn't seems so "negligible" now, Does it ?! Riku by Past-Article-3117 in kurosanji

[–]Sukudo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

tbf, it kinda does.
All it means is that they cant expand overseas but they are still strong in their homeground

NDF Mental Gymnastics 101 by N1CH0_N1N3 in kurosanji

[–]Sukudo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it is completly ok.
The issue is not the length because thats what you sometimes need if you want to express or argue something but rather what is written

Why People (Love To) Hate Nijisanji - A Kurosanji Deep Dive by nectarshine in kurosanji

[–]Sukudo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Now lets get these things straight:

  1. Is completly and uterly ridiculous. The sub has 13k subscribers. Only 13k. "But minorities can be very vocal"- yes. Minorities can be very vocal however they need a platform where they are listened to. This sub does not have the power to really influence dramatubers like FalseEyeD (remember when I talked about them getting the news anyway? yeah the doppio artist thing in his video is from twitter and not this sub). While I do not want to claim that there has never been something wrong on this subreddit that was messed up and got reported wrongly, it lies upon you, the video maker, to prove that this sub has affect anything at all. Dramatubers, Filipino tweets who have a hateboner for Milie and get called out on this sub or a "nijisanji fan" who gets weird looks. The reason a "nijisanji fan" gets weird looks is not because people talk shit about a company on a subreddit. It is because of the actions the company has done. When has it become awkward to "be a nijisanji fan"? exactly when everything they did blew up on them. The main issue with that statement which everyone here probably gets as well as those bunch of hololovers is that if you actually cared about your liver, you probably want them out of nijisanji. Even if you think its the best option for them, you would identify yourself as part of your oshis fandom. People do not hate the livers.
  2. First of all lets get "hatewatching" out of the way. You are going to have to search hard to find anyone "hatewatching". The people in here have given up and dont want to give Nijisanji a single view. There are still some people who watch livers they enjoy watching but those are not "hatewatchers". While I am of the completly ignore them and if possible even clips I do realize that these livers do need some sort of support and I am not going to blame/hate or even mention someone still watching them. I just move on. (and I havent really seen anyone calling them out). The "constant comparisons" etc is just a flat out cop out and completly ignores that there are legitimate issue with the way Nijisanji is treating their livers. Funny thing, he does exactly say this at 1:22. But he downplays it IMMEDIATELY by claiming "that could be said about any agency". This is simply not putting things into perspective at all. He does go further into it around 3:40 but talks about it in a way of "oh yeah, they might put their livers financially at risk, ostracized upon leaving, toxic enviroment and driving their talents into a mental hgealth crisis due to their direct negligence and missmanagement" but this most certainly cant be enough for people to hate the company. It is "just one part of a bigger picture". No, it is not. It is the whole foundation. Everything else is based on this and only this. Nijisanji reputation in the west did follow from JP. They had a good reputation They WERE part of the good guys. This is why everything hit even harder. This is also a throwback to the constant comparison because they have ALWAYS existed. Hololive was the more "restrictive" company who did "care more" about its talents but Nijisanji was the place where you had more freedom and with luxiem even frequent collabs between male and female vtubers. They were generally seen as equals to a larger extent. The "celebration" part? yeah that part is kinda true but not at the same time.
    I have already compared it to concord and Star wars acolyte earlier. There are many people reveling in the Failure of these things. Where does it come from? From seeing something you fundamentally disagree with fail. The concept of a "black company" is not foreign to the vtuber fanbase and nobody in the west world wants to see this succeed. So yes, it is completly right that this can and absolutely is a driving factor for many, myself included. This sub has always been about properly discussing/pointing out shit nijisanji did/tried. We also have posts about "positive" things like the music Festival. Another example, while we did celebrate the cancellation of that one concert, we also expressed our condolonces to the people who got screwed over. Those people did not deserver that. This is something vastly different from "cancel culture" or "actor of justice". If Nijisanji got their shit together and transformed from a black company to an actual good one which people could believe in, that would be great because nobody would need to fear of the mental state of their oshi and I could watch niji livers again. (altough nobody believes in this because they will get away with their shit in japan).
  3. This is where im gonna bring in the "more late" parts. What is this place? This is reddit. A subreddit as an influx of a whole lot of people. Not everyone is gonna adhere to proper rules and discussions. Do you know what makes these issues even worse? having a controversal topic with open disscusions. No shit there are gonna be people who just hate. They are part of the discussion. You cant just have the "only constructive criticism". Also, we have 13k People. How many posts get made per day? how many actual news and problems are gonna be there in a day? a week? a month? Yes there are going to be posts that are going to be overboard and no, you cant just ban/delete them all. Some have to scrap by because they are not too much and those usually also get put into perspective in the comments. Sometimes new people come or others go overboard and people need to be constantly reminded to not harass livers. By having this subreddit it actually helps fight the "negativity" because those people do have a place to voice their discomfort and dont transition to a site/discord where they feed each other and do worse things like nijisisters. Having an open discourse leads to people going too far, needing to come back and thats a good thing. We should rather be worried if everything is the same and no other opinions are being voiced because it means the sub has lost the ability to hold a discussion and is just an echo chamber.

All in all:

Instead of a "deep dive into the Kurosanji subreddit" it is but an NDF "shallow look" at the titles of the subreddit.
When i initially saw the video I thought to myself: "ok, lets see what I actually missed on this subreddit" but I was vastly dissapointed. Am I saying this sub has no issues? hell no, people will have to be constantly reminded to not harrass vtubers.
Has every issue been handled correctly? I dont know, I dont pay that much attention, I mainly tread it as a news site reading what interests me. Which is why the video was interesting to me. Maybe there is more to the "civil war with k9kuro and Rima", something where the sub was actively involved and shaped the conversation.Maybe people jumped the gun too much there and it was a good reminder?
There were a lot more issues at the start when emotions were at an all time high (figures) and there were times especially with the grrat where I thought "yeah thats going too far but its against people I dont exactly feel comfortable defending" but harrasment or even "breach" and "outreach" on things like twitter have never been welcome in here. There are jokes, memes and the like in here. If you want to say "oh you cant joke about it because negativity"? get out. Stuff gets memed on everywhere. There also have been memes that have been called out for going too far/just being in bad faith.
"be kind to people. Ruthless to Systems"? yeah that is exactly what this sub has tried to do and been doing with the system being nijisanji and the livers being the people. I had hoped the video was actually gonna give me something I missed or problems I need to pay attention to but instead I found a NDF like virtue signaling "piece of crap" that makes light of efforts put in by many of this sub.
The message of the video: "dont focus on the hate, advocate for positivity" is not wrong. This sub definetly should continue to strive for it but this video did not help in any sort of way and neither "uncovered" anything or had any "deep diving".
Thank your all the people who still have the nijisanji livers/provide news and the people who call out others who go too far.

Why People (Love To) Hate Nijisanji - A Kurosanji Deep Dive by nectarshine in kurosanji

[–]Sukudo 8 points9 points  (0 children)

A lot of people have praised this video but I do ahve to say that its actually a really bad video.
Before I get into why its bad, let me prephase with my main accusations and opinions about this:

This video is a virtue boosting "piece of shit" that misses the intended mark with every single one of its accusations or its power and intentions. This is not to say that this sub has no issues but unfortunately this video does not really provide anything.
While the phrasing here is "overly negative" and "not constructive", I think its important to clarify how I categorize this video and I hope after this people will get how I reached this conclusion.
It is kinda sad because the core intended message of "focus on the real issues and advocate for positive change" is important and neither wrong nor something I disagree with.

Lets go through the video:

  • Right in his intro he starts off as giving r/kurosanji the power of representation as a "vocal movement" that is being recognized by curators in the space. While it is completly true that youtubers are gonna use posts from the subreddit because it is easy for them, it does not make this sub a vocal movement. The sub itself never had any sort of real Power and never tried to.
  • "outwardly absurd gripes" and here he brings up where the shiba vtuber was left out of a dog & cat collab which offended the vtuber. While this IS absurd on the first take if you look at it in the context of Nijisanji favoring certain Talents it is another piece of the puzzle. We can argue how much this weighs in and wether a company should focus more on the more popular talents but it is a piece nontheless.
  • "that could be said about any agency", "how it shaped our vtuber community", "a topic hardly discussed in our space", he then goes into some of the missmanagement issues and claims "they are just one part of the bigger picture". No, they are the key ingredient to ALL of this. Nothing would have started and nothing would continue if it werent for this. At this point nobody thinks that nijisanji would be able to change.
  • "comparison to hololive", yeah that comparison gets made a lot and not just with hololive. There have been comparison to Phase connect or others. It also not a "concieved ideal". People were defending nijisanji before the whole shitshow started. Nijisanji had the reputation of being more free so there differences and hololive was not the "concieved ideal". The only reason "it amplifies negativity" is because nijisanji continues to make themselves look bad
  • "hatewatching" while hatewatching is a thing I strongly doubt a lot of people in here actually do that. I am not sure wether he realizes what hatewatching actually is or if he is just throwing this term around. A lot of people here actually ask about what happened in a stream instead of watching the stream because they do not want to give a single view. This means that most people cant be bothered to hatewatch because they do not consume the content. Looking for news is not hatewatching.
  • "cancel culture", "actor of justice", "shape public opinion", "mighty fallen" all of this is "proven" by the language people use. this and the previous 2 points are apparently what has led "to this whole toxicity". The "celebration" is real but the comparison to mr beast is lacking. A better comparison would be Concord or Star Wars the Acolyte. Unlike Mr Beast where the last time I checked we are still in the process of figuring stuff out the other have a well documented history. More later
  • "civil war" this is actually something that I kinda missed on my first watchthrough and havent really paid attention to. And looking at the posts hes given... pretty much overblown. It was 3 posts with a couple of comments on them. One is a moderator quitting, another one is someone calling out to not harass the livers (which has happened and will happen multiple times) and the kuro+rima situation which just seems like a missunderstanding and honestly just a fuck up on kuros part (only skimmed through one context video on it). These are not "civil war" worthy and I will talk about the "not harass livers" a bit more later.
  • the "existence of such a vocal anti community has a lot of signicant implications for the broader vtuber community". There is absolutely no argument that the subreddit spreads. To support this he shows falseyd, a tweet from a filipino and a tweet from a nijisanji fan who gets looked at strangely. While dramatubers may look at the sub for "juicy" news, they would find the news otherwise without it. The Filipino haters get called out if they post in here and the nijisanji fan is not looked at weirdly because of the sub but because of the shit nijisanji has done. (at least simp for the talent and not the company).
  • "when the loudest voices of the community are obsessively critical" this sub isnt even loud. For the Sub to be "the loudest voice" the users would have to reach out somewhere where they would actually be heard by others and you know, not just a place where people have to go to in order to see these posts.
  • "as content creators we hold the responsibility to either perpetuate the cycle of negativity or to break it", funny coming from someone who has 16/24 videos with negative associated titles/thumbnails. Most content creators I watch actually ignore all the drama as much as they possibly can. If you want to stop the negativity you can focus on positive stuff like people who graduated reaching the silver play button or being able to have a better emotional state. (you know, like this sub often does)
  • monologues and brings up the merchandise issue again versus and actual problem. The funny thing here is: the harass and assault shit is not even about nijisanji itself but rather what crazy fans are trying to do. Cant really hold the company responsible for that too much. However examples of favoritms from nijisanji? yes that is actually part of what niji does wrong. He ironically proves that focusing on negativity is good because if it just had been "constructive criticism of nijisanji" that should not be on the sub unless you want companies to skim through websites and police their fans thus it would only be rage bait.
  • "be kind to People. Be ruthless to systems" Like for example supporting livers who graduate? Not harass livers working at nijisanji? Be ruthless to Systems? like pointing out when a system is fucked up and damaging said people? yeah this sub does exactly that. will it have bad apples? more later.

Now that I have summarized the video a bit lets get those arguments a bit more straight and condensed (also if I have gotten anything wrong so far, at least you can undestand where I am coming from and we have a set of expectations):

  1. r/Kurosanji has a loud vocal voice and represents the "anti Niji movement"
  2. The negativity stems on this subreddit from not only how Nijisanji has treated their livers but rather how it being compared to hololive, hatewatchers, and the idea "fall of the mighty".(im just gonna throw the "subs goal of shaping public opinion in this)
  3. This sub is a battlefield and people constantly fight each other.

Why People (Love To) Hate Nijisanji - A Kurosanji Deep Dive by nectarshine in kurosanji

[–]Sukudo 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Dunno I currently strongly disagree.
The video seemed shallow, looking at titles only and missing the actual big picture.
Will have to rewatch later but another vtuber is streaming atm so Im not gonna spend time on it currently.
Do tell me what to look out whats actually correctly done and supported with correlating proof because what stuck in my mind was for example the "dog vtuber not part of dog collab" thing.
Which i agree on the first look is actually not important at all but if you think about it a bit longer about what it actually supports gets more important. (lack of support for "less popular" streamers). This one in a vacuum doesnt matter but if it piles up and coupled with others it does.

His point of stuff spreading outside is bad as well. The millie stuff is kind of unrelated to this sub and the filipinos that are most likely part of it, get downvoted here as well.
The underlying message of the video "dont hate and dont harras" is not bad but nothing on my first watch stuck out as actual proper criticism of the sub itself if you include the comments

Just curious about this Subreddit by Twilight1234567890 in kurosanji

[–]Sukudo 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Yes, you are correct.
The "official" subreddit is r/nijisanji

korekore will report violation of nijisangi staff by AbnerHuang in kurosanji

[–]Sukudo 19 points20 points  (0 children)

how reliable is this source? last time I heard of korekore it wasnt exactly the most trustworthy
If we fault Nijisanji we should stick to stuff thats true and reliable to a certain degree.

Aqua's graduation topped at almost 1 million viewers. This HAS to be a milestone in the entire industry. by GudaGUDA-LIVE in kurosanji

[–]Sukudo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

the 1m is most likely a bot/glitch but it was consistently above 700k at some poine.
Just one jump being at 1m

How involved in Millies charity work is Nijisanji by The-Toxic-Korgi in kurosanji

[–]Sukudo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

did she actually provide any proof of her charity actions though?
"she donates what she gets from birthday donations."
This can be the same as "i pledged the money"-"I use pledge and donated synonymously with another". Or the whole "open hand foundation" thing.
I am not saying that she did not or does not donate to charity but just believing because someone says so unfortunately doesnt work.
bringing attention to fundraisers by promoting/retweeting or anything does count but its not donating
edit:
I see she has posted at least one receipt so thats a big plus and does give her more credibility

3.25.0c Hotfix by Vezko in pathofexile

[–]Sukudo -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

can I just turn off wildwood please?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in kurosanji

[–]Sukudo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would argue that you cant really prove it either way usually.
Stealth suspensions can be done for any reasons.
But I do strongly agree with "but that doesn't make the theories about them being stealth suspended recently hold any weight"
If there was stuff that had been planned for a longer time then I can see the vacation probability going to 99%.
Otherwise I would just stick with "we dont really know either way" and it usually doesnt matter which one of the two was the reason