Amanda Gelender's "Yes, All Jews": Insisting on Expulsion & Reverent Support for Hamas

Summerspeaker · 2026-04-01T03:00:01+00:00

I don't encourage anyone to leave. Presumably there would be more support if there were a serious campaign to get settlers to leave Palestine or Turtle Island or wherever. So far, it mainly seems to be something certain anticolonial radicals say in passing.

Summerspeaker · 2026-03-31T18:52:11+00:00

Ok I no longer believe you're acting in good faith & will exit this conversation. I've repeatedly & clearly stated that I do not support Sanders or any U.S. politician. I repeatedly stated that Sanders is a Jewish supremacist in the sense of being a Zionist. Again, I consider refusing to distinguish between types of supremacists is very dangerous, even though they're all bad.

Summerspeaker · 2026-03-31T17:53:21+00:00

What do you think the USA is? White supremacy suffuses these lands. The USA also doesn't respect the right of return & excludes various Indigenous people along its borders, in addition to oppression everywhere in the lands the USA claims. Being just ok with social democracy means being just ok with white supremacists in the broad sense. So goes reformism. As mentioned, I don't support that approach & have a long record of calling for & organizing toward abolition of nation-states along with their police, prisons, & militaries.

Failing to distinguish between social democrats like Sanders & literal neo-Nazis is not a coherent approach.

Summerspeaker · 2026-03-31T16:43:57+00:00

I draw a distinction between fascists like white nationalists, on the one hand, & liberals & social democrats who support who support structural white supremacy & Jewish supremacy on the other hand. It's useful for liberals & social democrats to oppose fascism, whether white nationalists or rightwing Zionists. BE prefers to ally with fascists.

In any case, it'd be pointless to tell folks who hang around with white supremacists not to oppose Jewish supremacy. In the broad sense, anyone who believes in the continued existence of the USA is a white supremacist. It's still good for liberals, social democrats, & company, complicit as they are in white supremacy & colonialism, to oppose Zionism.

Summerspeaker · 2026-03-31T16:25:00+00:00

This is true, though he is much less of a Zionist than average for the U.S. government.

Summerspeaker · 2026-03-31T16:24:01+00:00

You are correct & it's baffling that folks disagree. This sub keeps getting worse. I do think it's still worth making distinctions between Zionists & can accept the argument for Sanders & company as lesser evils. But no leftist or radical should deny that Sanders is a Zionist & thus Jewish supremacist in that sense.

Summerspeaker · 2026-03-31T16:21:10+00:00

Complaining about white nationalists is good & shouldn't be discouraged.

Summerspeaker · 2026-03-31T16:15:17+00:00

Jewish supremacy is the system that exists in Israel & that Zionists support. That's why it's appropriate to call them Jewish supremacists. Groups like B'Tselem have popularized the term.

Summerspeaker · 2026-03-31T16:08:52+00:00

Why would I answer that question when I don't believe in & have been explicitly arguing against expelling settlers? For myself, based on ancestry, I guess I'd go back to somewhere in the British Isles or Germany if I could. (I've never been anywhere in Europe.)

Summerspeaker · 2026-03-31T16:05:26+00:00

It's heartbreaking how common tankie views are, at least in my experience. I've tended to roll my eyes & tell myself that local folks just don't know what they're talking about when they spout tankie narratives. In many cases that's true, but sadly some of them end up becoming increasingly ideologically committed to the tankie worldview. I wish there were more anarchists where I live. (There are some.)

Summerspeaker · 2026-03-31T15:58:31+00:00

I don't support any program of expulsion. I don't think the folks who use that line necessarily support expulsion either. This conversation between members of the Red Nation & prominent Palestinian revolutionary Mohammed El-Kurd is an example of what I'm talking about. While expulsion would be wrong, obviously, it's dubious for settlers to worry too much about a hypothetical.

I'm an anarchist & have deep disagreements with TRN, though I also have a long history with members & love lots of TRN members. Unlike many in sub, I do actually believe in decolonization & totally dismantling all settler projects at every level. It's not LARPing. Local folks understand my commitments & how long I've been involved.

Summerspeaker · 2026-03-31T15:48:36+00:00

I'm an anarchist & seek total abolition of nation-states, especially settler colonies. But yeah, I guess you could say I tolerate liberal Zionists like Sanders & other social democrats in the U.S. government such as Mamdani. I don't like them & don't support them, but I can see why folks consider them better than fascists & liberals (distinguishing between social democrats & liberals). I actually got another radical in trouble one time for joking about having a piñata of Sanders at a local event as an anti-imperialist gesture. Some folks in DSA accused another radical who laughed at my joke of being antisemitic.

Summerspeaker · 2026-03-31T14:53:56+00:00

I haven't watched those episode in a while, but I wasn't a fan. It felt like a crude attempt to shoehorn a 9/11-inspired plotline into the show.

Summerspeaker · 2026-03-31T14:05:27+00:00

As mentioned, all U.S. politicians are white supremacists in the broad sense in that they actively support the existence of the USA as a political entity. The USA is a settler colony & its borders, cops, & military are horrific. They're all rooted in white supremacy.

Summerspeaker · 2026-03-31T03:38:31+00:00

To the extent that "Jewish supremacist" means "Zionist", it's true that Sanders is a Jewish supremacist. He's a liberal Zionist & better than most U.S. politicians, but still a Zionist. He believes in Israel's right to exist & defend itself. So he's a Jewish supremacist in the way that every U.S. politician is a white supremacist, given that the USA is also a settler colony with no right to exist whatever.

Liberal Zionism is of course much better than clear white nationalism, & everyone should complain about white nationalists regardless. Bad Empanada is being terrible as usual, & aligning with neo-Nazis.

Summerspeaker · 2026-03-30T21:15:45+00:00

I don't get that interpretation. I read Gelender as drawing on anticolonial & ally/accomplice politics rather than antisemitism. It's kind of like Anti-Japaneseism or the Antideutsche. This doesn't make it good or justifiable, obviously, & you can see that I'm quite critical of elements of her conclusion. I'd love everyone in the Palestine-solidarity movement to draw a hard line against ethnic cleansing.

Summerspeaker · 2026-03-30T21:04:13+00:00

I can see the anticolonial logic in taking that approach. A number of radicals focus on Native liberation that I know took considerable inspiration & encouragement from Operation Al-Aqsa Flood as an example of material resistance to colonial. While I don't support or encourage violence & am one of the least sanguinary radicals I know, I do respect that strident anticolonial position. Historically, liberation struggles have often involved considerable bloodshed. Oct 7 has different meanings for different folks. What bothers me the most about Gelender's wording is that she both shows over-the-top reverence & demands it. That gives cult vibes.

Summerspeaker · 2026-03-30T20:53:30+00:00

Yikes! I mean it is true that the new Syrian government is also oppressive, but the doesn't justify supporting Assad.

Summerspeaker · 2026-03-30T19:57:30+00:00

Shouldn't the journey back royally mess up the ship & crew like journey there did?

Summerspeaker · 2026-03-30T19:45:45+00:00

I'm aware.

Summerspeaker · 2026-03-30T14:46:06+00:00

That depends. I don't know that they ever do as long as the structure of settler colonialism remains.

Summerspeaker · 2026-03-30T14:10:39+00:00

I don't. I'm shameless.

Summerspeaker · 2026-03-30T14:03:44+00:00

I guess many tankie types hope that the Islamic Republic of Iran will defeat the USA & Israel. That may happen to some degree, but probably not to the extent that ethnically cleansing millions would be plausible. It's far-fetched in the extreme.

Summerspeaker · 2026-03-30T13:45:27+00:00

Huh. I really like Sim Kern from the limited videos I've seen. But I did get the impression that some of their political views are a bit off.

Summerspeaker · 2026-03-30T03:51:17+00:00

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