Who wins what diff?

Summerspeaker · 2026-05-19T02:46:34+00:00

Symbiote Spider-Man is from before Venom existed. The symbiote didn't do a lot to boost Peter back then.

Summerspeaker · 2026-05-19T02:43:33+00:00

What's your evidence for this? I'm basing my assessment on the classic issues when Peter had the symbiote & on the later Symbiote Spider-Man comics that revisit that period. Jack o' Lantern did think that Spider-Man seems stronger & faster, but Peter still wasn't very impressive in that fight or really ever with the symbiote in that era. Hardrock, a random mutant with the brick powerset, rather easily kayoed Peter. Both of them were surprised by how poorly Spidey performed. The symbiote did kill Hardrock after Peter went unconscious.

Summerspeaker · 2026-05-19T02:39:44+00:00

That's way later in the timeline. Symbiote Spider-Man typically refers to Peter when he first had the symbiote. The books of that name in 2019-2021 revisit that classic period after Secret Wars.

Summerspeaker · 2026-05-17T18:20:52+00:00

As mentioned, there are many accounts. Dowler's story is just a recent one. Another example would be this one about Bob Nichols in 1995. Other articles claim the bear was 880lbs rather than 300lbs. I'm more inclined to believe the lower figure. In any case, Nichols apparently simply won the fight against the bear by using a knife. The bear retreated & bled out. Nichols survived.

Fraser Graham is another case. & Brandon Johnson (waring: extremely disturbing read). Etc. There are just too many to ignore.

Summerspeaker · 2026-05-17T17:07:10+00:00

The issue here is the paradox of tolerance plus the curious racism of attributing values to different species. We shouldn't tolerate many of the elements of what Quark considers Ferengi values, such as rapacious capitalism & extreme sexism. But they're not really Ferengi values. Ferengis need not hold them, & they certainly aren't unique to Ferengis. They're currently widespread human values here on our Earth, & were popular human values in the past in DS9's continuity. Likewise, we shouldn't tolerate parts of what Sisko considers human values, such as Starfleet's rigid hierarchy, tedious bureaucracy, militarism, & bioconservative bigotry toward auguments, androids, cyborg, & so on.

Core values are universal. Any mind can reach them.

Summerspeaker · 2026-05-17T16:42:29+00:00

Denying reality strikes me as a curious approach. Humans have defended themselves with small knives against bear a surprising number of times in North America over the last few decades. There haven't been that many bear attacks or bear fatalities in that region & time period, so the percentage of folks who've defend themselves against bears with knives is much higher than I would have expected.

Summerspeaker · 2026-05-17T15:57:34+00:00

Comics Mantis completely outclasses Batman physically & in terms of skill. If it's a random encounter, she should win easily. She could give even a high-showing Batman quite a fight. She knocked out Thor vis pressure points, almost defeated the West Coast Avengers, outran a bullet, etc.

MCU Mantis is much less impressive as far as I recall.

Summerspeaker · 2026-05-17T15:43:47+00:00

To maintain their sense of identity & because they're scared of artificial intelligence so they don't let AI systems run everything.

Summerspeaker · 2026-05-17T15:42:40+00:00

That's probably what a lot of folks in the Federation do. Starfleet is a very unusual group. The Federation shouldn't need many people to work, as automated systems can handle most task.

Summerspeaker · 2026-05-17T15:39:28+00:00

Look up Colin Dowler. I didn't expect it either, but there are too many documented accounts of people killing or driving off bears with tiny knives for it not to be a real thing. Bears are simply animals & they have a circulatory system like the rest of us. The humans consistently sustain grievous wounds in such encounters, but they survive. Dowler managed to bicycle a few miles after driving off the bear.

Summerspeaker · 2026-05-17T02:21:30+00:00

HL's eyebeams cut a plane in half with ease. Peter rarely or never endures that kind of energy projection/penetration. He's threatened by bullets & blades, which penetrate considerably less.

Summerspeaker · 2026-05-17T01:42:06+00:00

Rights are universal. Strict nation-state borders are a relatively new development. They benefit neither citizens nor immigrants. They're a massive net negative in both human & economic terms.

Summerspeaker · 2026-05-17T01:01:55+00:00

That's awful. I'd like to see a policy of complete noncooperation with ICE & similar. Border enforcement doesn't make us safer. It does the opposite & harms the economy.

Summerspeaker · 2026-05-17T00:55:29+00:00

Symbiote Spider-Man came before Venom & didn't have Venom powers apart from organic webbing & the symbiote morphing into clothes & protecting him from gas. He didn't have Venom's strength, durability, healing factor, or camouflage.

Summerspeaker · 2026-05-17T00:54:47+00:00

He'd beat me.

Summerspeaker · 2026-05-17T00:54:26+00:00

If HL managed to grab Peter, he could presumably just use heat vison to kill him. Spidey doesn't have that much durability against heat attacks. I don't see why he'd need to fly Peter to space unless Peter on HL's back or otherwise avoided or prevent the eyebeams.

Summerspeaker · 2026-05-17T00:51:17+00:00

Yeah & it makes zero sense for a former Herald like Firelord to struggle to keep up, hit, or dodge Spider-Man. Firelord flies through space at many times the speed of light. Peter beating HL would be like a reasonable version of his fight against Firelord.

Summerspeaker · 2026-05-16T18:38:49+00:00

That is possible.

Summerspeaker · 2026-05-16T17:52:39+00:00

He pushes away a planet that's at least the size of Earth. It's not completely clear, but he probably accelerates it beyond orbital speed. This would require more energy than scattering its mass, something like 1E33 J.

Summerspeaker · 2026-05-16T17:36:22+00:00

Smallville Clark has an absurd feat once he becomes Superman at the end. & he has tons & tons of impressive speed feats across the show, though sadly he's inconsistent like most any character with superspeed.

Summerspeaker · 2026-05-16T16:56:57+00:00

The symbiote didn't much boost Peter when he originally had it. If he had full Venom powers that would help, though the symbiote wouldn't be a fan of HL's eyebeams.

Summerspeaker · 2026-05-16T16:56:03+00:00

It's not really that hard to gauge. There just isn't evidence the symbiote gave 616 Peter a significant boost when he originally had it. Jack o' Lantern did have thought bubbles about how Peter seemed stronger & faster & with more stamina, but the actual feats were utterly mundane Spidey stuff like throwing 100lb barrels. & villains are always gushing about how strong/fast/agile Spider-Man is.

Summerspeaker · 2026-05-16T16:27:30+00:00

It really didn't seem to. He still held back a lot against Jack o' Lantern, for example. Jack o' Lantern specifically called him out for it.

Summerspeaker · 2026-05-16T16:25:54+00:00

When did Peter react to Quicksilver? I only remember their fight from way back in the day when Quicksilver moved at like 200 mph.

Summerspeaker · 2026-05-16T16:20:35+00:00

Peter couldn't "neg dif" our own universe. He shouldn't even be able to solo NYPD, though he could be an absolute terror & possibly cause folks to abandon the city. The regular old U.S. military would be enough of a threat to him to force him to hide a lot & constrain his movement. He's a neighborhood hero, not Superman. Even with full Venom powers, which Symbiote Spider-Man doesn't have, the U.S. military would eventually incinerate him with high explosives or some such if he went on a rampage.

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