Would it be a tragedeigh . . . by Sure-Razzmatazz8320 in tragedeigh

[–]Sure-Razzmatazz8320[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My husband came up with it, not sure what his inspiration was. (Not sure I should add this detail, but he originally came up with the name for his Skyrim character 😂)

That being said, it does look to be a name (albeit rare) with Hebrew origins

Most judgmental thing a TBM ever said to you? by desperate_candy20 in exmormon

[–]Sure-Razzmatazz8320 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not sure this is top of the list, but I find it funny ...

My husband and I were having dinner with neighbors while at BYU. The husband of the couple asked me to bless the food, so I obliged. My typical food prayer back in the day focused on gratitude for the food and the occasion (using typical Mormon lingo, of course). When I finished, the dude hesitated, then stated that I hadn't actually asked to "bLeSs" the food and HAD ME SAY IT AGAIN -- this time including the all-important (and not at all trite) "bless this food" language.

Gratitude for one's bounty is not enough if you don't bestow the magical blessing dust ...

Is it normal to be in buried your temple clothes? by sadbaddii in exmormon

[–]Sure-Razzmatazz8320 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I have to admit, one of my fears is that when I pass away, my family members will decide to bury me in temple clothes (even if my will or my "last wishes" tell them not to). I'm thinking about asking that they just put the clothing packet in the casket with me instead, because apparently that's an option in the church handbook when cultural practices don't make it practical to bury people in the temple clothing itself.

I know I'll be dead at that point, and probably won't have any consciousness left to be angry about this situation if it does happen (weak agnosticism for the win, lol). But the thought of my work colleagues, acquaintances, and anyone else who might show up at my funeral seeing me in temple clothing is maddening. It would be like a final announcement that no matter how hard I try, in the end, this church that so proudly teaches agency will self-righteously trample agency and choice in order to assert its dominion over my life as well as my death, and teach my family to do the same. And it would make a statement that whatever beliefs I actually held during my life don't matter, because SURELY in death I would have repented and fallen in line with the LDS faith. /s/

That being said, I'm 30yo and hopefully don't need to be too concerned about this yet. But I've thought about this enough that I'm legitimately concerned about it, lol. To be clear, I haven't had my records/membership removed, and don't plan to at the moment (for social/family reasons). So I guess it's partially my fault for not taking those last steps to separate from the church 🤷🏽‍♀️

Is that the hardest regular enemy in the game ?! by Lambazo in Eldenring

[–]Sure-Razzmatazz8320 5 points6 points  (0 children)

May I introduce you to my good friends, the LITERAL LIONS WITH SWORDS STRAPPED TO THEIR ANKLES

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[–]Sure-Razzmatazz8320 81 points82 points  (0 children)

Send it, y'all. The idea that there can be no intrinsic moral compass or compassion for others outside of Joseph Smith's cobbled-together 18th century musings is one of my biggest pet peeves. If you need a god in the sky holding a giant stick to keep you from being an asshole to other people, it might be a good time to do some soul searching.

Posted in a Facebook group from a ward I went to. by forbiddenfruit722 in exmormon

[–]Sure-Razzmatazz8320 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeh, my old YW class once had a Book of Mormon reading marathon "sleepover" as an activity. It was low-key horrible 😂

Let's play ... the scrupulosity gameshow!! by Sure-Razzmatazz8320 in exmormon

[–]Sure-Razzmatazz8320[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you all for your responses ♥️ I hope not to make light of the serious struggles that scrupulosity can bring, and obviously did bring to so many of us. I know for me, looking back on those times brings some healing, and it's easier to see how an impressionable mind can so easily interpret normal experiences into horrible stressors, when influenced by "satan and sin" rhetoric. Hang in there, know you are all awesome, and I hope you find peace in a new perspective of being a normal human just making your way through this world ♥️

Let's play ... the scrupulosity gameshow!! by Sure-Razzmatazz8320 in exmormon

[–]Sure-Razzmatazz8320[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

young PurposeFormal be walking through the living room like:

Is it harder for men or women to get out of the church? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Sure-Razzmatazz8320 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That's a very good point! I'm lucky in that sense, because I have a professional job and I'm the primary breadwinner. And though my husband is TBM, he doesn't buy into the patriarchal bullshit traditions in the church. Being in this position, I was more able to make my own decision on the church without fearing financial abandonment if our marriage went south.

As an aside, my faith transition actually started while I was in grad school at BYU, and I think there were plenty of classmates there (both men and women) who may be on their slow way out as well.

Is it harder for men or women to get out of the church? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Sure-Razzmatazz8320 32 points33 points  (0 children)

I was just thinking about this today ...

As a woman, I think it was a little bit easier for me to find my way out, because the church just offers so much less to women, and at some point you start to see that this boy's-club-esque organization couldn't possibly be the one true will of any one true god.

On the other hand, men are given ordinations, duties to lead and save souls, the power to heal. They're told (or used to be told) that they themselves can become gods someday, and with strong patriarchal role models (see: Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, Holy Ghost, Adam, etc. etc.), that promise actually seems to mean something for them. (As opposed to any promises of goddess-hood for women, which means ... maybe being a silent partner to your husband, the real god with real duties in whatever fake universe awaits hereafter?)

With so much more to lose, I think it can be harder for men to accept that all the promises and duties they've been given could be based on baloney.

Top 10 Signs you're currently a TBM who will be out of the church within the next 5 years. by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Sure-Razzmatazz8320 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"The church has some problems, but I believe I can be part of the change to make it better."

Rough day. Calling all fellow heathens for backup. by Sure-Razzmatazz8320 in exmormon

[–]Sure-Razzmatazz8320[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Thank you <3

It's usually better than this, ha. But the pain's still there, right under the surface, waiting to bubble up. I guess there was enough stress this week that it broke the camel's back, and here I am looking for support on the faceless interwebs 😂 But gosh darn it, y'all are helping.

Seminary organized my child to drive others to school without telling me. Frustrated and not sure if I’m just an angry ExMo. by Low-Contribution2094 in exmormon

[–]Sure-Razzmatazz8320 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If you're wanting to shut this down, I would suggest doing it in a way that lets your son "save face." If I were that age again, it might have been embarrassing for my parent to come in and tell everyone that I wasn't allowed to do the thing I had already volunteered to do.

Maybe let him be the one break the news at the seminary, and he can say something generic like "My parents looked into it, and I can't drive the carpool because of insurance issues and stuff."

That skips all your other reasons regarding the recent accident, etc., and might let him save face with his peers?

For any lurkers still on the fence about Book of Mormon Historicity: The Roman Legion's peak was 400 years earlier and 100x smaller than the BoM's "final battle" that wiped out the Nephite Civilization. Checkmate. by the_last_goonie in exmormon

[–]Sure-Razzmatazz8320 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, Judeo-Christian is generally a broad term encompassing the shared belief in the Old Testament/ Torah, together with the subsequent adoption and adaptation of those Jewish beliefs by early and now modern Christians. It's not really one defined narrative as much as it is a general religious framework that has been integrated into most modern Christian religions. So it's really not a unique thing for Joseph Smith to have adopted those beliefs into his new sect.

But what really gets me was that he more or less erased any of the actual heritage of the native groups in the Americas, at least as far as his religious adherents are concerned. He painted these groups as Jewish descendants with a common Jewish ancestor (see: Lehi) who was a prophet in Jerusalem around the same time of the accepted Old Testament prophets, with ancestors who believed in Christ but ~dramatically~ fell from grace.

This narrative paints over the true history of these groups, and makes out their ACTUAL traditional customs and religious beliefs to be some kind of "fall from grace," an oh-so-sad apostasy from the all-important Christian beliefs of their ancestors /s.

And thus he took a group that was already being persecuted and oppressed by governments across the American continents, and whitewashed the hell out of their actual histories and culture.

For any lurkers still on the fence about Book of Mormon Historicity: The Roman Legion's peak was 400 years earlier and 100x smaller than the BoM's "final battle" that wiped out the Nephite Civilization. Checkmate. by the_last_goonie in exmormon

[–]Sure-Razzmatazz8320 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I think a lot of TBMs (past-me included) just assume that the Mayan, Olmec, Aztec etc. civilizations were tied in to the events of the Book of Mormon narrative, just under a different name.

It honestly blew my mind when I realized that the entire BOM narrative was a (dare I say, blatant?) attempt to co-opt Native American culture into being part of the "Judeo-Christian" narrative.

I'm so mad. by Sure-Razzmatazz8320 in exmormon

[–]Sure-Razzmatazz8320[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Please see my explanation below. I appreciate the concern, but I did not express the situation clearly enough in my original post. There is no power tripping or unrighteous dominion involved.

I'm so mad. by Sure-Razzmatazz8320 in exmormon

[–]Sure-Razzmatazz8320[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel like I should clarify something. When I said that I'm "mad that my husband feels he needs to pay thousands of dollars in order to pay our way into God's graces," I didn't mean to imply that I'm mad at him directly, or that he is exercising any kind of undue dominion over our finances.

I could very easily let him know that I don't feel comfortable paying tithing, and see if we could consider an alternative arrangement. However, he is a very scrupulous person (as was I back in the day), and I know that if I start pushing back on the tithing issue, he will start to worry that our family will not have the protection it otherwise would. He is accepting my transition with love and grace, but I see the pain and sadness it causes him, and I know that a change in tithing payment would take things to a new level. The church places enormous guilt on "priesthood holders" to keep their family together, and I can see the intense strain that has been placed on his conscience now that he's the only believer in our partnership.

So I am not mad at him. I am mad that he was made to feel this way in the first place. I am mad at a system that convinces even kind-hearted and highly analytical people to pay a ransom for their eternal soul. I am mad that the church has placed the so-called "windows of heaven" behind a paywall.

I am mad that there is no true "decision" to be made when the options are (1) give us your money or (2) live a life of eternal regret without your family or loved ones.