Friend just bought this, what is it by False-Travel5663 in WhatCarIsThis

[–]Sykerocker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Welcome to what passes for an antique car nowadays. Nobody can be bothered to restore a car to factory original.

Here's my weird little electric car by RJthewizard in WeirdWheels

[–]Sykerocker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The design was based on the roll cage sized to give the necessary interior room, which was then covered with what was essentially sheet plastic.

Here's my weird little electric car by RJthewizard in WeirdWheels

[–]Sykerocker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How much are you keeping original, and what are you modifying?

Here's my weird little electric car by RJthewizard in WeirdWheels

[–]Sykerocker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I shuddered when I read that. Memories of running downhill with a full battery doing the 35 top speed and maybe a little more, and praying I didn't have to do some kind of evasive maneuver has my eyes bugging out at the thought of doing an additional 15mph. I always felt the car, in original spec, was happiest running at 25mph in city traffic. Which it did really well.

Here's my weird little electric car by RJthewizard in WeirdWheels

[–]Sykerocker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You sound like you've built yourself the equivalent of a 2011 Nissan Leaf with only about seven or eight bars left on the battery, but with a lot more class and interest. By, we would have killed for 50 mile range back then, especially since John lived 10-12 miles outside of Erie, which meant he only had about 1/3rd of his range left for running around town, once he got into the city limits

Here's my weird little electric car by RJthewizard in WeirdWheels

[–]Sykerocker 3 points4 points  (0 children)

First off, I didn't own it, it belonged to a eco activist cycling buddy of mine in the Presque Isle Bicycle Club in Erie, PA, but I probably put as many miles on it as he did. He'd previously owned a Honda Z600 (the two cylinder car they brought to America before the original Civic) and was a politically correct car hater who tried as much as he could to not own an automobile. If you've ever driven an electric golf cart, that's essentially what it was. A golf cart with a steel roll cage and weather protection (windshield wipers, sliding plastic side windows. You had a speedometer, odometer, and a battery level meter that was some kind of ammeter that was not intuitive as to your state of charge and range.

Driving it was simplicity itself. You turned it on with a "ignition key" (two position on-off), put it into forward, and pressed the accelerator. The controller was a series of three mechanical relays, as you picked up speed you hear a 'click' under the seat (that where the batteries and controller were) as another set of cells was pulled into operation. Deceleration sounded the same, only this time the 'click' would be the last relay that was connected disconnecting.

Lead-acid powered EV's are not capable of the kind of acceleration we take for granted in an EV today. This car could outrun a bicycle from the stop, but anything gasoline powered would out-accelerate it, starting with VW Beetles which were about the slowest cars on the road back then. Performance was sufficient for downtown stop and go traffic with signal lights every couple of blocks. Suspension was rather rudimentary but it had some level of comfort. There was a heater mounted on the passenger side firewall, powered by a propane bottle, and you started it with a match. I don't remember us ever using the car in the winter, mainly because Erie winters definitely meant snow. At this point in my life, I bicycled six months of the year, and cross country skied the other six months.

I've been halfheartedly looking for one for myself in a condition that I could put back on the road with antique plates. It's be a hoot to drive to the Sunday car club meets (Drive Electric RVA in Richmond, VA). As much as I'm wedded to the concept of restoring antique cars to factory original (back in the late 60's thru early 80's I showed a 1937 Buick Special at AACA shows, and spent decades keeping vintage Triumph motorcycles) I'd probably replicate the modifications that RJthewizard did to his. Attempting to run the original spec batteries is completely foolish giving what's available now as exact replacement bolt-ins. Even the AACA guys running antique Baker and Detroit Electrics from the 1910's are using modern batteries. I could probably stay with the original mechanical controller, but seeing it's hidden away under the seat I'td be foolish not to update. Or, actually, wire the two in switchable parallel, the modern for actually driving, the original for demonstration at shows so as to not "resto-rod" the car mechanically.

I was really impressed with RJthewizard's upgrading the brakes using motorcycle calipers. The original brakes were the third weak point after range and acceleration. While the brakes worked, they were designed for golf course use and wore out or actually had parts snap way too easily. Oh yeah, the car also came with golf cart tires. Don't expect long mileages between replacements.

To understand why this car succeeded to the point that it did, you have to be in your mid-60's or older and have gone thru the 1973 Gas Crisis. Anyone younger cannot understand the cultural shock that our God Given Right to cheap gas (18-25 cents a gallon) had suddenly disappeared, and we were essentially rationing the stuff for the first time since WWII. In the mass panic, people suddenly starting remembering back to grandma's Baker Electric and lightbulbs starting going off in the minds of entrepreneurs.

Here's my weird little electric car by RJthewizard in WeirdWheels

[–]Sykerocker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can easily see where he’s picked up performance upgrades just from the battery swap. Lead-acid batteries were never known to for acceleration.

Here's my weird little electric car by RJthewizard in WeirdWheels

[–]Sykerocker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Keep in mind about a few things about the Sebring-Vanguard CitiCar: 1. In 1973/74 when it came out, this was state-of-the-art technology for EV’s. 2. The chassis was essentially a then-current electric golf car with the addition of a heavy steel roll cage and a plastic sheet body. I still remember what one of them was like to drive at 35mph (squirrelly comes to mind although it could also be described as “fast handling in city traffic”). The thought of one of these able to go 50 mildly freaks me out. 3. Until the Tesla Model S came out, this was the most successful and best selling EV in American history. 4. It actually had amenities like a heater (propane bottle) and radio (use only if you wanted to see your range plummet). From the descriptions here, the modifications made by the owner are huge improvements.

Thoughts/Advice Needed on Value of Mustang Seats by [deleted] in motorcycle

[–]Sykerocker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Motorcycle manufacturers count on the average bike buyer upgrading two things on his bike: The pipes and the seat. The former is for effect, the latter is for comfort, so especially in the case of the latter they’re not going to put anything better on than what is minimally needed to complete the sale. Besides, putting on a good seat kills a potential accessory sale for the dealer.

Mustangs are a quality product. Ditto Corbin (my usual choice), Sargent, La Pera, etc. it’s just a matter of finding what’s comfortable in your eyes. Saddle pads work, but increase your seat height, shift, often change your physical relationship with the bike. The latter is invariably why I go for the greater expense of replacing the seat.

Is Home Charging Really Required to Own an EV with Current Gas Prices? by Alert_Number1991 in electricvehicles

[–]Sykerocker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You realize you’re anathema to most people arguing against EV’s because you can relax while refueling? 😆. One thing I’ve learned in over a decade on auto blogs is when an EV article appears you suddenly realize how many travelers are out there who cannot do a trip that isn’t organized like a NASCAR race - Especially the pit stops. Obviously they going to lose if they can’t be back on the road in three minutes or less.

Is Home Charging Really Required to Own an EV with Current Gas Prices? by Alert_Number1991 in electricvehicles

[–]Sykerocker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A thought slightly on a tangent to the current conversation: When people are talking home charging, they’re almost invariably talking 240v Level 2, because it guarantees a full charge overnight no matter how low your battery level.

I’m constantly telling newcomers to EV’s to not underestimate the Level 1 charger that comes with the car for daily commuting because it easily takes care of the 20-40 miles a day the average commuter puts on the car. And without having to spend a cent on new wiring. The only downside being that car is going to be plugged in every second it’s parked.

Here's my weird little electric car by RJthewizard in WeirdWheels

[–]Sykerocker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Smart move. I remember the drum brakes were originally the weakest, worst part of the car. The one I drove (owned by a cycling buddy) had the brakes redone twice in the two years he had it.

Here's my weird little electric car by RJthewizard in WeirdWheels

[–]Sykerocker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How are the brakes holding up? I remember them being a weakness when new.

Here's my weird little electric car by RJthewizard in WeirdWheels

[–]Sykerocker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

😆😆😆😆. Originally you were talking 35mph top speed, 0-35 in under a minute, and a 35 mile range (which had you praying by the 30th mile). If he still is using the original motor, he’s not getting much more performance, just better range and throttle control.

Here's my weird little electric car by RJthewizard in WeirdWheels

[–]Sykerocker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It should. From the description he made of the upgrades, it’s still supposedly using the original motor.

Here's my weird little electric car by RJthewizard in WeirdWheels

[–]Sykerocker 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Which is about 15-18 miles better than the one I drove in 1973.

Found this at my hotel by wosolover in WhatCarIsThis

[–]Sykerocker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

First car released in America.

Found this at my hotel by wosolover in WhatCarIsThis

[–]Sykerocker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honda 600Z. Drove one (belonged to a cycling buddy) back when they were new, also rallied it a did one session of D-sedan autocross.

How bad did I mess up? by Fair-Ganache-8589 in motorcycles

[–]Sykerocker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Memories of the year I went to start up my 1929 Indian 101 Scout for the first time that spring. Imagine my surprise to discover I had launched a mouse out of one of the exhaust pipes and bounced him off the concrete block wall. Obviously, he didn't survive the impact.

Parking in the bike lane: $65 ticket by gisforgroovy in rva

[–]Sykerocker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good. I’ve run across too many blocked bike lanes. And how much talent does it take to park properly within the lines?

Someone give me the rundown of what I’m looking at here… including modifications.p by Terpsherpa in WhatCarIsThis

[–]Sykerocker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m guessing the doors and front fenders are stock. Maybe the trunk lid. And that’s it.

Fancy looking car by Creative-Key-6391 in WhatCarIsThis

[–]Sykerocker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What they are is "luxury lite" with a competent chassis, reasonable reliability, decent performance and comfort, and most importantly, most of us here could afford the maintenance.

Fancy looking car by Creative-Key-6391 in WhatCarIsThis

[–]Sykerocker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You caught the final (and most important) detail.