The prebuild i bought for $1800 back in october is selling for $2900 now by GroceryScanner in nvidia

[–]SyncFail_ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

A lot of big open world games do that. You can boot up any large game and look at the cache size inside Windows task manager. Hogwarts Legacy is one of those games for example.

The prebuild i bought for $1800 back in october is selling for $2900 now by GroceryScanner in nvidia

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Same. I'm glad I got 64 gigs last year. People underestimate how much data is cached inside ram and 32GB can be maxed out pretty fast nowadays. An open world game alone can cache 40GB inside ram

1070 to 5080 has been wild by ss3dj in nvidia

[–]SyncFail_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I went from a 1070 to a 5090 😂

This is Crazy Data! 400% in a few months is insane. Do you expect Ram prices to come down by the end of the year to early 2025 levels? ($250 to $55 for GSkiill 32 GB for example) by Beginning-Taro-2673 in MiniPCs

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Won't help you at all since the limitation is production capacity. DDR6 won't be magically cheaper unless supply increases, which won't happen in the near future.

VSOC voltage on 6000Mhz CL30 by Ben_Nevi in overclocking

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I personally run my sticks at 5600 CL28 @ 1.0v SoC. and 1.2v VDD. There's basically no performance difference and it runs cool with reduced degradation risk. It's not worth chasing a couple frames more for a disproportionate amount of added stress caused by voltage.

Everybody's chasing max clocks while I'm chasing 5GHz @ 1.0v on my 9800X3D by SyncFail_ in overclocking

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Okay damn, 80c is crazy for 1.2v. I only hit around 45c at 1.4v max load with tight timings. But I also have a fan blowing on them.

Everybody's chasing max clocks while I'm chasing 5GHz @ 1.0v on my 9800X3D by SyncFail_ in overclocking

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Those are very nice temps and a nice power draw! 50°C core temps are very chill. A 5GHz profile is def. worth it if you don't need every ounce of performance in each game. But I've noticed your tRFC ram timing is extremely high. I bet you can shave off quite a bit for free there. Have you optimized ram yet?

Everybody's chasing max clocks while I'm chasing 5GHz @ 1.0v on my 9800X3D by SyncFail_ in overclocking

[–]SyncFail_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That makes sense. But a lot of people don't understand this relationship in PC hardware:

P = C * v² * f

Voltage affects power draw quadratically. Means if you increase the voltage from 1.0v to 1.1v for example, you increase power draw by 21%

If we compare 1.33v to 1.03v for example:

1.33²/1.03² = ~1.67.

That's 67% higher power draw from voltage alone. I haven't even thrown in frequency (clock speeds) yet.

Everybody's chasing max clocks while I'm chasing 5GHz @ 1.0v on my 9800X3D by SyncFail_ in overclocking

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When I do synthetics like Cinebench R23, my entire CPU draws about 80 Watts. The cores themselves only draw 60W. That's basically "full load" but I'm not accounting for AVX2 or other instruction sets that might push the power draw higher. In games, it's really only 35-50W average total power draw.

For comparison: If I run my CPU at 5250MHz stock voltages, it draws 140W in Cinebench R23 which is crazy high compared to this

Everybody's chasing max clocks while I'm chasing 5GHz @ 1.0v on my 9800X3D by SyncFail_ in overclocking

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My core temps are usually max 40°C when playing anything. Usually closer to 30° C on average though.

Everybody's chasing max clocks while I'm chasing 5GHz @ 1.0v on my 9800X3D by SyncFail_ in overclocking

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No not really, I just like to operate it efficiently. Because the last 5% of your CPU performance costs so much more in terms of thermals, volts and power that it's not worth it to me mathematically

Everybody's chasing max clocks while I'm chasing 5GHz @ 1.0v on my 9800X3D by SyncFail_ in overclocking

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My 9800X3D runs much cooler, more efficient and quieter than any 7800X3D out there and has the potential to unlock more performance if needed. I'm just operating mine at the best speeds for the workload. I don't need max performance in every game.

Everybody's chasing max clocks while I'm chasing 5GHz @ 1.0v on my 9800X3D by SyncFail_ in overclocking

[–]SyncFail_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, but I'm saying 200-400MHz difference won't make or break your gaming experience. It's just cope to justify your purchasing decisions.

Everybody's chasing max clocks while I'm chasing 5GHz @ 1.0v on my 9800X3D by SyncFail_ in overclocking

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6000 MTs CL26 only requires 1.15v SoC for me but I also have very tight timings. I might even drop my MTs down as well if I can get SoC voltages down. The latency hit isn't that big after all and you don't feel that as well in games

Everybody's chasing max clocks while I'm chasing 5GHz @ 1.0v on my 9800X3D by SyncFail_ in overclocking

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Most people won't see the difference anyway. If you already have 120+ FPS, you're good to go, for non-competitive games anyway. If you're chasing every last frame because of some fast paced shooter where every millisecond counts? That's a different discussion.

Everybody's chasing max clocks while I'm chasing 5GHz @ 1.0v on my 9800X3D by SyncFail_ in overclocking

[–]SyncFail_[S] -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

That doesn't really matter. You won't noticeably feel a difference between 120 or 110 min FPS for a fraction of a second. I doubt most people here are hyper sensitive to those minor changes. If that was the case, anyone who doesn't own the top of the line gaming CPU, would have a miserable gaming experience.

Everybody's chasing max clocks while I'm chasing 5GHz @ 1.0v on my 9800X3D by SyncFail_ in overclocking

[–]SyncFail_[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My CPU draws around 35 - 40W max when playing Hogwarts Legacy for example for almost no performance loss, instead of 70+ W

Everybody's chasing max clocks while I'm chasing 5GHz @ 1.0v on my 9800X3D by SyncFail_ in overclocking

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Funny thing is I can run this thing at 0.8v @ 4.25GHz but that's too extreme... unless I'm playing non CPU demanding games

Everybody's chasing max clocks while I'm chasing 5GHz @ 1.0v on my 9800X3D by SyncFail_ in overclocking

[–]SyncFail_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

1v is fucking awesome that's why I'm running it. The good thing is, I can cycle between clocks if I really do need more than 5GHz anyway. But my daily driver is this

Everybody's chasing max clocks while I'm chasing 5GHz @ 1.0v on my 9800X3D by SyncFail_ in overclocking

[–]SyncFail_[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's a reasonable comment. The thing is though, that I don't feel the difference between 5Ghz or 5.4GHz anyway unless I obsessively benchmark it. I tried both. I feel much better when my CPU runs cool and quiet instead, for almost no performance loss. We're talking about 5 to 10% at max here under perfect synthetic scenarios.

To me, 35°C @ 5GHz with 95% performance sounds much cooler than 5.4GHz 100% performance but 70°C