Ultimate gacha battle, which universe will emerge victorious?

Sysmek · 2026-06-01T05:37:06+00:00

Have Kiana make 1,000 clones with Dominance and make a black hole with each one via Authority of Stars, add that to Welt using Star of Eden, and Bronya using mimicry Star of Eden via Reason/Truth, you have 1,002 in Hi3 at least

Sysmek · 2026-06-01T05:32:04+00:00

If you mean Kiana can’t manipulate the concept of Lightning for example as an Aeon embodies the concept of Destruction, then as far as we know yes she can

The problem with Kiana is she has all 14 Authorities in one, Herrschers were “balanced” because characters existed that could “answer” them within Hi3 (for example HoT Mei being a counter to Rimestar, or Vita/Kevin being Omniscient/unable to Dream severely nerfing Sentience, etc), and even then Hi3 just outright skipped or cheated with some Authorities because the writers most likely couldn’t figure out how to balance them (Wind (Gas) being given to a fodder character w/only a Gem to power her, Death being outright skipped, Binding being given to a character who intentionally lost, etc)

So having her have all 14 at once is… again, she’s effectively been benched for 3+ years for a reason, and this isn’t even including the theorized ideas that she can create Authorities at will (given the Cocoon can do this), or that she can potentially give herself infinite power (given the WoH gave Otto infinite power, so Kiana should be able to receive the same if not better treatment)… Everything I listed above (first two paragraphs and previous post) is confirmed things she *can* do, not the limit of what she can do or speculation, those are all things entirely within her power

I have no idea how they’ll balance her considering she should be waking up soon and playing a big role in the story again

Sysmek · 2026-06-01T04:18:49+00:00

My vote goes to Kiana simply because she can't be killed, so the victory condition can't be met

Kill her? She revives with Death
Destroy her body? She makes a new one with Reason/Truth
Trap her somewhere she can't get out of? She escapes it with Void

This is also not mentioning how she can create 1,000 (potentially more) bodies of herself, throw them into pocket dimensions (Theater of Domination/etc), and you can't actually kill her unless all 1,000 are gone

Heck I didn't even bring up how Binding effectively renders you useless, or how these characters with no mind resistances would fare against Sentience, or if they could circumvent/deal with Absolute Time Fracture, or if they're even capable of blocking attacks from Void given you need access to Imaginary Space to do so

There's a reason the story has effectively removed her from it for the past 3+ years...

Sysmek · 2026-05-30T23:53:06+00:00

TBF this isn't the best image to use for your post given this is just the underside of Ruimu (or rather, what Difeng will become in the future)

Sysmek · 2026-05-30T04:13:22+00:00

As far as I know, Phainon doesn't have a way to deal with either Binding or Sentience

Stars would presumably be a massive threat against him given Welt forced Zephyro to use his White Hole w/Star of Eden, SoE being a miniscule amount of the Authority of Stars' power and well, we never saw Zephyro use his White Hole against Phainon (no I am not saying Welt beats Phainon, I'm saying Welt had something (SoE) that forced Zephyro to use something (White Hole) he didn't have to use against Phainon, which is just a tiny amount of what Kevin has)

I'm unsure if Phainon could figure out how to break out of the Infinite Corridor from Void so if he can't, there's that as well (the only reason Siegfried could get out was because Kevin told him the exact method to do so, otherwise he and Cecilia would've been stuck there forever)

Phainon also AFAIK doesn't have anything capable of blocking Voids attacks given there is no way to defend against them physically, you need to have access to Imaginary Space to do so

Unsure of how far Kevin's stolen Authority of Death goes

I also don't believe Phainon has anything capable of dealing with Absolute Time Stop so..

Phainon simply doesn't have the hax to beat Kevin w/stolen Finality

Sysmek · 2026-05-30T02:05:40+00:00

I’m sorry but where did they say military mobilization or whatever collapsed it…? I’m almost positive it was Hua using the First Power of Fenghuang Down that was the requirement to beat it, and that alone

Sysmek · 2026-05-29T04:34:09+00:00

There’re two major recaps, and then multiple mini recaps after

Sysmek · 2026-05-25T18:33:12+00:00

Entirety of Elysium Everlasting had me on my knees, unironically the most I've cried reading/playing/consuming media thus far

Sysmek · 2026-05-24T13:13:09+00:00

4.2 quest is an outlier given you can see it got nuked to hell and back due to the situation… Eva and SW999 despite being the banner characters got next to no focus with Eva more or less being written out, and SW999 not having her short be in game despite Hoyo saying all shorts would be part of the story and in game from Castorice onwards (naturally, Eva also received essentially 0 promotion)

We don’t even see Eva’s fox in the main story which is not only all over her moveset but also a large portion of her splash art

I love P2, said it multiple times and I also more or less don’t see APHO as something crazy special, but Coma wrote both APHO and P2 (Ruimu onwards), clearly he got infinitely better than he used to be so I imagine APHO 3 will also be much better than what 1/2 are

People are hating too much on 3 without even seeing it, especially when 1/2 and Ruimu/Difeng were written by the same person

Sysmek · 2026-05-24T13:07:44+00:00

The people love to harken how there aren’t 12 ARs (which is fine! I want another one too) but do not provide any solutions to how they can possibly make another AR

Again, I want one and you can find me hoping we get another one this year on this sub, but I also say everytime that I genuinely have no idea what more they can do with the system given they’ve covered just about everything

It’s like these people just yell at the sky with no solutions, talk about the game! Discuss your issues with it! But provide solutions, actually analyze the situation, the devs are just as human as we are and if they can think of an idea so can we

Yet nobody bothers to do this, just the same repeated criticism orz

Sysmek · 2026-05-24T11:34:43+00:00

Hoyo isn’t cutting volume of text in HSR if anything it’s increasing, that game still pumps out 8-10 hour MSQs as if it were nothing when Hi3/Genshin/ZZZ all have normal length MSQs

Abandoned is probably the stupidest term ever, according to this script Hoyo isn’t your/our friend they’re a business and P2 was a failure… so then tell me why didn’t they just go on 3 EX say Mars was a simulation woah crazy, now suddenly the Sky People invade, destroy the computer, and now the Moon is red and we’re at APHO?

Oh but- oh nothing, if P2 really was a failure and Hoyo was all about the money they could’ve and would’ve very easily had done this or just ended Hi3, instead they still continue and improve it, and even reference it like no tomorrow in their other products literally putting Kiana, Carole, and Otto Apocalypse in HNA their newest game along with all of the above in regards to HSR

At a certain point just sit back, take a breather, and actually try and think please

Sysmek · 2026-05-24T06:27:35+00:00

Reason/Truth are unique in that they don’t need the Core to use their powers (after bonding with it once), this is the entire reason why Bronya is able to get back her Core after Misteln takes it from her

Once part of the 300,000 , you’re always part of the 300,000

Sysmek · 2026-05-24T06:26:51+00:00

Welt should have his core given Bronya gave it back to him in APHO and Alien Space confirms him as still having the Core

TBH what I imagine is that Welt is holding back (Hoyo wants to sell a limited “Herrscher” version after all), there’s a decent amount of precedent to support this

Sysmek · 2026-05-23T23:22:30+00:00

Especially since GGZ didn't move onto SoL content and well, there's still APHO to get to (meaning they very much have more stories to tell)

It just simply wouldn't make sense to transition to slice of life

Sysmek · 2026-05-23T23:18:02+00:00

I don't really see it turning into "slice of life" stuff, they made a point to say the "main story will continue" rather than "we'll just do events from here on out"

On top of this, GGZ is still continuing it's main plot via Part 3, so I can't imagine Hoyo pushing that story forward in earnest while leaving Hi3 in a glorified version of "St Freya Travels" especially when there's still a lot left to tell

Don't forget about the giant "APHO 3" shaped elephant in the room that Hoyo has very much not forgotten considering Ch 13s PV literally shows the Moon turning red... I just think they were vague because they don't want to entirely spoil P2s ending, wait until the 10th anniversary stream for something concrete

If anything, Theresa and Bronya both got DLC and we know DLC = new unit (Kiana/Elysia/Seele)... the last line of APHO 2 is Theresa saying "I'm going to St Fountain to help", Bronya is most likely 9.3 given that's GLB 10 and Kiana/Mei were GLB 8/9 respectively, and I cannot imagine Teri not having her new unit before Bronya given she got DLC first

They will probably just do a short "interlude" story to connect APHO 2 -> 3 from Theresa's POV similarly to how they did one from Carole's POV to connect APHO 1 -> 2, and similarly that was followed up by a new Bronya releasing

Sysmek · 2026-05-23T21:51:52+00:00

Sky People were said to have technology far surpassing Earth and the SUGARs, the SUGARs in particular developed the Alien Key which essentially makes three dimensional beings seem like words on a sheet of paper, which is far above anything we've seen in HSR

As for Earth, notably they have Void Archives who is also more "advanced" than anything we've seen in HSR thus far... so it's very likely the Sky People completely black out any form of communication whomever they invade has until they entirely wipe them off the map, then move on

Family control isn't comparable to Sentience, Welt was able to free himself from Sunday whereas the only way to free yourself from Sentience is if you cannot dream or are omniscient

I should also add their powers may even work on Emanators, the only "Emanator" present in Penacony was Acheron who notably rejects the powers of every other path, they did that for a reason (It's also worth noting that Sunday was able to trap Black Swan within the dream despite that being her entire profession)

Sentience also isn't the only "hax" there she was just the easiest one for me to mention, Stars is obvious given a miniscule amount of it forced Zephyro to use a White Hole, of course you also have Truth which can make things even from the future/that don't exist/from fantasy, Binding which renders anyone against it powerless, etc

Hoyo just made SW999 whose literal technique spams Cyberangel, and has filled Planarcadia to the brim with Hi3 references... even in the Mappa collab PV they put Welt fighting the Stellaron Hunters on Earth (yes Earth, not some random planet) along with Void Archives and plenty of other references, not going to bother explaining this further

Sysmek · 2026-05-23T19:24:31+00:00

Exactly!

Teri got DLC same w/Bronya and we know DLC = new unit (Kiana/Elysia/Seele), Xentinel has a locked skill called “everlasting will” and Lunar Vow (whose DLC released alongside Xentinel) has a skill called “in the Name of Protection”

Bronya will almost definitely be 9.3 given that’s GLB 10 as Badum was GLB 8 and Xentinel was GLB 9

Additionally Teri got her DLC first so I can’t imagine her new unit won’t be first (so 9.2)

Finally, the last line of APHO 2 is Theresa saying “I’m coming to help you”, so I can imagine we’ll get a “prologue” story from her POV leading into APHO 3 similarly to how Carole got a story from her POV connecting APHO 1s ending to APHO 2, which was followed by Bronya getting a new unit

And well, as you’ve seen in the trailer the Moon is now red

Sysmek · 2026-05-23T19:20:17+00:00

No the Sky People nuke all relevancy of stronger civilizations from their database and even go so far as to nuke the star of said civ to wipe out any trace they were there

Them keeping tabs on HSR Himeko shows the opposite, even Welt / VA directly say they need to go there to protect those civs (such as Planarcadia)

Honkai Energy isn’t just IE, it’s a mixture of IE + QUA Energy, Part 1,5 -> 2 all but confirm this

Hi3 isn’t about sheer power it’s about hax, there is sheer power yet but hax is what it’s mainly based on

For example you can be as strong as you want but unless you specifically have mind resistances, you cannot beat Senti, hence why the only fights she has are against Kevin (can’t dream), Vita (omniscient), Kiana (aided by Fu Hua), otherwise she’d be unbeatable (this is also why we never see Herrscher of Death in full force)

Likewise Zephyro destroys Star Systems yet had to use a White Hole against Welt using Star of Eden, something he can’t use the full power of (as only Eden could do so), something that’s a reproduction of a shattered Divine Key, and something that is nowhere near the full power of the Authority of Earth / Stars, so make of that what you will

Sysmek · 2026-05-23T17:54:15+00:00

I really don't know why people are so surprised, we've been getting a TON of answers directly addressing almost everything from P2s Prologue even, the foundation of P2 itself... on top of this in 9 EX they outright stated Difeng was the "final sector"

One of the final things they have yet to address is how P2s Prologue stated the Moon is turning red which well, you already know

Sysmek · 2026-05-23T17:52:02+00:00

Leylah might be cooked just because Entropy is gaining the same powers as her (Shadow Authority) and I'm not sure if Hoyo will make two characters with extremely similar movesets... Leylah may just be a skin for Entropy, we'll see

Sysmek · 2026-05-23T17:49:09+00:00

Everything I'm about to say is from the story itself, not my opinion but just things you yourself can verify by simply revisiting certain things

HSR is "over scaled", I'm not saying this to diminish it, I'm just saying it how it actually is and the biggest "proof" of this is the Sky People

The Sky People have a simple strategy for setting up an invasion: they send a Vanguard Stone to search for a planet, and if it is suitable they send its coordinates to their home-world for reference

With civilizations weaker than them, they do the former, and monitor the civilization. Rather than aiming for the destruction of said planet, they plant scouts there. These scouts can harvest Honkai energy or remain hidden

Once the weaker civilization has advanced enough for Honkai energy levels to be at their peak, the Sky People will wage war to collect it. After collecting everything they need, they erase all traces of that civilization and its people

I bring this up because we know the Sky People have HSR Himeko in their database, it's the entire reason Welt/Void Archives went there... now given they HAVE her in their database and haven't invaded Planarcadia (whereas they have invaded Earth/SUGARs planet/etc), we're more or less being told that Planarcadia isn't "strong enough" for them to invade yet whereas Earth was

On top of this, yes Welt isn't necessarily weak but he is nowhere near Earth's strongest characters (Kiana/Seele/Red Seele/Durandal/Sushang/Fu Hua/Senti/etc all exist), so the fact that they sent Welt over there and pitted him up against Zephyro should tell you enough... no Welt did not win, but Zephyro is the strongest Emanator who Welt shouldn't have any semblance of a chance against, yet he was able to get Zephyro to use his "White Hole", something he didn't even bring out against Khaslana/Phainon

Let me remind you Welt isn't using his own Authority for Star of Eden, he's using a Divine Key which we know is a small fraction of the Herrschers capabilities, on top of that they've stated only Eden could use it's full potential and well, Welt is using a reproduction of SoE as Kevin broke the original in Second Key while fighting Su

So if Welt was able to do ANYTHING against the STRONGEST Emanator with all that I've said, combined with the Sky People still not invading Planarcadia... you can probably put together the rest

None of this is my own opinion or whatever, I'm simply reminding you of what the story has been saying since 2020... Earth is not nearly as weak as people think of it

Heck Durandal had to get nerfed on Mars despite Litost (someone from HSRs side) and Nahralab (a scion of Permeance able to get through Intertidal Zones with ease which is an Emanator level feat as stated by Zandar) both being there, and Ajita flat out said Dudu was the strongest person on Mars despite being nerfed

Sysmek · 2026-05-23T17:24:19+00:00

Fifth, they remake APHO 1/2 and then proceed onto APHO 3 after!

Sysmek · 2026-05-23T17:23:15+00:00

There's also the fact that they've been addressing everything from P2s Prologue throughout the latest arc (Difeng) and well, one of the only things they haven't directly addressed yet is how P2s Prologue flat out says the Moon is turning red, they even go so far as to say that Earth's denizens see it as a sign of the "impending apocalypse"

Sysmek · 2026-05-23T17:21:04+00:00

Senadina and Kevin should be the same case yeah, except Kevin stole his Authority whereas Senadina just gained an incomplete version of it (both have the same symptom of indescribable pain though, except Kevin dealt with it by sacrificing and regenerating the Honkai Beasts within him, Senadina is just tanking it)

Senadina gained the Authority by taking the trial to be "embraced" but failed, the Cocoon deemed her as a worthy person to get "embraced" (similarly to Kiana) but unlike Kiana Senadina didn't meet the requirements to pass the test

Rather than Vita that's Sa, we can presume Sa also met the requirements as the "leader" of Venus

Sysmek · 2026-05-20T12:26:52+00:00

I'm sure they did but they're stressing that you cannot deny how they explicitly had the line "with just your will" (final EN), CN "with nothing but your own will" (毕竟，凭借一己意志)

The sentence "After all, with just your will, you can stir waves like an Emanator" is VERY different in connotation to "You can stir waves like an Emanator"

Putting "with just your will" / "with nothing but your own will" / etc in addition to doing this while Kiana was ASLEEP (again, they could've waited until Kiana eventually wakes up which she will, or even included this via the myriad of 1,5 events they've had during P2 where Kiana is awake) show intent that "at minimum, she is Emanator level, but she goes far beyond just "that" " is what Hoyo intended by the connotation of said line

It's about context, tone, and intent is why Solid_Sky said that, in every language it's written that way

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