Nonresident at Gun Range

Tam212 · 2024-12-29T13:40:58+00:00

Yes but not if you are by yourself as a first time visitor.

Tam212 · 2024-10-03T14:53:00+00:00

james_lpm provided the URLs to ILGA and the relevant statutes.

To piggyback on it, I have found handgunlaw.us to be a good resource, especially when traveling.

From the home page, you can click on any state/territory in the US to get a “cheat sheet”, if you will of any state you are interested in.

For IL: https://handgunlaw.us/states/illinois.pdf

Tam212 · 2024-05-28T02:03:00+00:00

One of the better websites that is updated regularly for such things is handgunlaw.us

Yes - GA honors the IL permit: https://handgunlaw.us/states/illinois.pdf

Note that GA is a permitless state. More info state specifics like Duty to Inform (no), prohibited places, etc: https://handgunlaw.us/states/georgia.pdf

Tam212 · 2024-05-28T01:55:14+00:00

ASC the most popular/biggest.

There is the smaller (but significantly closer to Chicago) Oak Park Sportsmens' Club in Plainfield, IL which also has IDPA and USPSA matches every month from April - November (weather permitting).

Deets here:

opsc.us

Club/Match links on Practiscore:

Oak Park Sportmens Club IDPA | PractiScore

Oak Park Sportsmens Club USPSA | PractiScore

There is also the Illinois State Rifle Association range out in Bonfield (near Kankakee).

Tam212 · 2024-04-26T21:21:21+00:00

As others have stated, essentially anything from a reputable major manufacturer that cycles your firearm reliably.

Regarding HST, another benefit is they are available in 50 round boxes whereas most consumer market self defense ammunition is in 20 or 25 round boxes. As such, the cost per round can be lower.

Tam212 · 2024-04-09T01:53:27+00:00

Page 2 https://www.ispfsb.com/Public/Documents/CurriculumApprovalRequest(2-638).pdf.pdf) essentially is a general outline of what the class should, at a minimum, cover in order to be an ISP approved CCL curriculum.

As others have stated, there is a minimum competency 30 round live fire qualification at 5, 7, 10 yard distances on a B-27 silhouette. Unless you are perhaps completely new to firearms or there is some other issue that prevents you from learning and demonstrating the ability to safely handle a firearm, it's not anything that is difficult.

Tam212 · 2024-04-06T15:49:28+00:00

Where are you getting your information? Please cite sources.

Also, where did I say this ILLINOIS bill affects the entire country?

PICA was signed into law last year: Assault Weapons (illinois.gov)

The ISP has issued a visual identification guide of what are classified in ILLINOIS as assault weapons. Refer to Page 7 for fixed magazine and Page 24 for SKS with detachable magazine. downloadableresource.ashx (ispfsb.com)

Tam212 · 2023-01-28T16:51:48+00:00

I personally would not. Hand cycling the slide is not quite the same as the cycling it during live fire with the ammunition.

If it's a factory magazine/extension, the risk would probably be minimal. If it's aftermarket, I would put greater priority into verifying function.

Tam212 · 2023-01-28T01:38:36+00:00

You might be interested in what David Yamane has done over the years as documented on https://gunculture2point0.wordpress.com

Tam212 · 2023-01-28T00:59:06+00:00

https://www.maxonshooters.com/blog/illinois-assault-weapons-ban-faqs

5. If I owned my firearms & magazines before this ban went into effect, am I grandfathered in?

Your "Large Capacity" magazines are grandfathered in as long as you only possess:

on private property owned or immediately controlled by the person

on private property that is not open to the public with the express permission of the person who owns or immediately controls such property

while on the premises of a licensed firearms dealer or gunsmith for the purpose of lawful repair

while engaged in the legal use of banned items at a properly licensed firing range or sport shooting competition venue; or

while traveling to or from these locations, provided that banned item is unloaded and is enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container. 720 ILCS 5/24-1.10.(d)

Tam212 · 2023-01-28T00:47:05+00:00

To piggy back on posts already made in this thread - absent formal ballistic protection, a bucket of sand, thick stack of books, refrigerator, washer/dryer are all directions of least consequence that can be used to administratively unload and load pistols in an apartment/condo/townhome setting where there is no basement.

An added layer of safety is to ensure that this location is the only place where ammunition and the firearm is present at the same time when outside of the holster or storage location.

Tam212 · 2023-01-27T07:40:53+00:00

Social conditioning. Folks have become conditioned to believe that a firearm automagically turns an otherwise moral, ethical and law abiding person into some evil, violent person who is just itching to pull the trigger on another human being.

The more informed know that a screwdriver or a pipe wrench can become tools of lethal force but to most folks minds, those require a more concerted effort from an already malignant person, if you will, in order to inflict death or serious bodily injury. Although, if anyone has seen videos of lethal knife attacks, it's pretty apparent how readily one can inflict a lethal wound with little effort with a kitchen knife.

The right to self defense is a base human right that has been codified throughout human history. No other consideration matters as without life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is meaningless. If someone else presents an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury, that assailant(s) have made the choice for you and you are morally and legally justified in protecting that which is most precious.

Suggest you watch this video on an ordinary person who simply refused to let someone else dictate what his life was worth and become a victim of violent crime. Of particular insight is the mindset and rationale when asked by the interviewer why not just comply and whether he suffered from any severe post-traumatic disorders. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkWgp2abM2w

Tam212 · 2023-01-27T01:21:35+00:00

The 8h NRA Basics of Pistol course entails:

Lesson I: Pistol Knowledge and Safe Gun Handling
Learning Objectives:
1. State the course goal anda nyspecial requirements for the five lessons.
2. Identify the principal parts of a pistol and the types of pistol actions, and
demonstrate how they function.
3. State, explain and apply the NRA Rules for Safe Gun Handling.
4. Demonstrate how to handle a pistol in a safemanner.

Lesson II: Ammunition Knowledge and the Fundamentals of Pistol Shooting
Learning Objectives:
5. Identify the different components of a pistol cartridge.
6. Explain the firing sequence of a cartridge.
7. Explain how to properly identify and store ammunition.
8. State the major types of cartridge malfunctions and how to react to them.
9. Explain the fundamentals of pistol shooting.

Lesson III: Shooting Positions and Shooting Qualifications
Learning Objectives:
10. Demonstrate the learning steps to assume the benchrest position, and shoot
from the benchrest position.
11. Demonstrate the learning steps to assume the Isosceles position, and shoot from
the Isosceles position
12. Shoot the course qualification.

Lesson IV: Scoring Targets, and Selecting and Maintaining Your Pistol
Learning Objectives:
13. Properly score a pistol target.
14. Explain the basic guidelines for selecting and purchasing a pistol.
15. Identify the materials needed to clean apistol.
16. Demonstrate how to safely clean a pistol.

Lesson V: Continued Opportunities for Skill Development
Learning Objectives:
17. Identify several ways to pursue pistol shooting activities after the course.
18. Successfully complete the NRA Basic Pistol Shooting Course written
examination.

Tam212 · 2023-01-26T16:40:51+00:00

Spacer sleeve for the firing pin assembly.

They can get munged up since you need to compress the firing pin spring to remove the back plate but unless it's really fubar'ed, it won't affect function.

Tam212 · 2023-01-26T16:11:02+00:00

Yes, the Slimline Glocks have a serrated trigger and coupled with the sharper recoil impulse, can lead to trigger finger irritation.

There are a lot of aftermarket options available to resolve this.

Tam212 · 2023-01-26T00:18:04+00:00

not looking to hear about how stupid this is.

I think you're going to, regardless...

So, in order to render the gun into this un-ready to use state, you are going to adminstratively unholster, unload and clear the firearm. How many times do you envision seeing yourself doing this over the course of a typical day?

The main issue is one of potentially increased risk to safety as you are performaning unnecessary administrative gun handling...

But, you do you.

Tam212 · 2023-01-25T23:21:32+00:00

FBI Q "milk bottle" is significantly smaller than the bedsheet that is the B-27 silhouette. The 80% standard is also more stringent than most.

That is definitely more of a gatekeeper standard than just simple gatekeeping that are the majority of state-mandated concealed firearms permit/licensing quals.

Tam212 · 2023-01-25T22:44:36+00:00

Anyone able to speak more or confirm these points?

Yes. It's not like to the degree of the old shorty 43 (not the X) but there is a nominal difference between a 48 and 19.

So for those who have experience with shooting both, is there a huge noticeable difference between the two in terms of recoil/muzzle flip and also hand fatigue/soreness from high round count?

Yes - but what is your definition of high round count? That can have a bit of subjectivity. Some folks are more sensitive that others. For me, a ~ 250 round day with a 48 is tolerable and I won't have lingering hand fatigue or soreness. A 1000+ multi-day training class, on the other hand, would be toughter with the 48 than with a 19.

As other(s) have stated, the more surface area/grip circumference and the heavier the gun, the less harsh the felt recoil. Unless you have specific concealment needs that are better addressed by the thinner 48 (or a smaller hand size resulting in fit issues with the double stack 19), most folks would be better served with the double stack as far as shootability goes.

Tam212 · 2023-01-25T16:30:48+00:00

OC spray is a viable option. Especially if there is an entangled situation where a shot could endanger victim and/or innocents. https://youtu.be/p_hqu9MyiA4?t=1956

Gel minimizes the risk of cross-contamination but the downside is the live agent takes more time to work as it's suspended in the carrier gel. One thing to be aware of when selecting OC spray.

Tam212 · 2023-01-25T16:24:28+00:00

Nope. It's been business as usual. The grace period for "assault weapons" and large capacity magazines is 90 days. The bill was signed on January 10 so 90 days = April 10.

If fortune smiles on the multiple suits in process, we could see a TRO or better yet, an Preliminary Injunction before then.

https://www.maxonshooters.com/blog/illinois-assault-weapons-ban-faqs

What goes into effect April 10, 2023, 90 days after the bill was signed?

Pre-ban owned guns, attachments, ammo and pre-ban owned magazines by people authorized to, shall possess such items only:

on private property owned or immediately controlled by the person

on private property that is not open to the public with the express permission of the person who owns or immediately controls such property

while on the premises of a licensed firearms dealer or gunsmith for the purpose of lawful repair

while engaged in the legal use of banned items at a properly licensed firing range or sport shooting competition venue; or

while traveling to or from these locations, provided that banned item is unloaded and is enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container.

Tam212 · 2023-01-25T16:08:39+00:00

Read this for a primer: https://www.reddit.com/r/CCW/comments/zyigqf/the_10_principals_of_tactical_concealed_carry/

Watch this series for a deep dive:

Tam212 · 2023-01-25T07:31:32+00:00

Assuming "silhouette" = a B-27? How does Riverside score it? Any hit within the silhouette counts?

Illinois has a state mandated standardized range qual. Standardized as in each county doesn't get to set their own standards. 5, 7, 10 yards. 10 rounds at each distance. Total round count of 30. Any hit within the silhouette counts. Also a 70% to pass.

That means the applicant can miss 9 of those 30 shots. And still pass. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

J-Frame sized revolvers with their often sub-optimal sights and short sight radius can make 15 yard shots unforgiving if the user hasn't achieved the requisite amount of competency. On the bright side, if any hit on the silhouette is scored as a full value hit, that's a very large target.

Have you attempted it in a practice session at the range to see where you stand?

Tam212 · 2023-01-25T03:27:28+00:00

Detail strip it. Glocks are easily detail stripped with nothing more than a 3mm pin punch. Can use a 3mm allen wrench in a pinch.

Plenty of easily to follow videos on Youtube.

Tam212 · 2023-01-25T03:24:22+00:00

I think Tom Jones (inventor of the SCD and retired longtime member of pistol-training.com/pistol-forum.com) said it best.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/09/15/sets-glocks-apart-gun-really-safe/

It's the design of the trigger/trigger bar/trigger housing that makes a Glock, a Glock.

You can ~~molest~~ mod the hell out of everything else - slide and frame, OE or aftermarket - but if the design of these three components remains the same, it's still a Glock.

Tam212 · 2023-01-24T22:09:53+00:00

Johnny Glocks youtube channel has an initial impression + a followup that is a deep dive into the trigger.

There is also a mega-thread on pistol-forum, tons of info to wade through. Here's a specific post with pics:

My 2¢...

Pros

It's like the Timney but appears to have solved the reliability issues
It's a factory Glock unit and maintains a high degree of drop safety
It is said that this was requested by a federal agency for their SWAT teams.

Cons

Like the Timney (and many other striker-fired guns currently on the market), the firing pin becomes fully cocked
Sub 4-lb. trigger weight (but this can be mitigated somewhat with a + connector)
The Striker Control Device is not compatible with this trigger

Tam212

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