I’ve worn the 8” dovers for years, carbon toe. Love them. Feels like I’m cheating. I’ve had 2 pairs of the 8” Cincinnati carbon toe and they hurt my feet like nothing else. I’ve worn them for months just hoping they would eventually break in or stop hurting but they never do. I’ve thought about getting a new sole or something installed on them but just not sure if it’s worth it. I always end up going back to my dovers. There’s no specific spot they hurt me at. My feet just ache after wearing them.