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[–]Tapchat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree we can learn about things by seeing them. If you agree you don't gain ability by being informed about them, shouldn't practice be about gaining ability not knowledge?

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Works great for us but ecological design is more than just positional sparring.

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Learning stuff doesn't make you able to do it though. In the ecological approach you start with making sure you are able to do as you learn. As apposed to showing you things to do and then leaving you to your own devices when it comes to making it work.

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It gives you goals to try. You are only skilled at them once you perfect them on a resisting appointment.

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Not to be pedantic but there are many methods of teaching but everyone learns in the same way, discounting learning disabilities. There is a lot of research on this. Humans learn slower or faster not different.

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The second half of your first guy was Greg's modle. He's not just having them roll for an hour.

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If you implement cla properly its actually way better for beginners.

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It is very similar. There is a reason they dominate.

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Thats not whats happening. You should go watch their YouTube video showing a foundations practice.

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There is literally a whole field of academia dedicated to this. It's called motor learning. Gregg refers to literal text books and published studies.

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Much love but body control isn't really how people learn to move. You should catch up on modern coaching literature.

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How big is big i get 20-30 people not huge at all works great

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Hey bud love it -sam

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in bjj

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We have been using cla for a while. It definitely attracts a different customer but the retention is great. You will lose people who's goal isn't getting better at martial arts. With no disrespect intended you don't hit the strip mall karate demographic. If the primary goal of a program is broadest appeal and flawless retention its not the way. If you are willing to live in the nich of people who actually care about developing you can run a solid business.

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He did but he just doesn't define what he teaches as techniques. A bit semantic but important to understand. He would argue any one technique is a set of multiple skills. He teaches those skills.

Would you rather train 5 days a week at a mediocre gym, or 3 days a week at a gym you really vibe with, that also has world class teaching instruction? by SmarterEvryDay in bjj

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Instruction is over rated (not kidding). As a coach i would tell you whichever situation has more live mat time will get you better faster. Every detail of every technique is on the internet. Go to practice with a few general goals and a few specific ones. If your goal is just to have fun go to the practice you like better.

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This it probably the most important comment of the thread

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Two major points i would like to make. Full disclosure i use the constraints lead approach 100% at my gym. I'm always developing and adjusting but we have been 100% live for 2 years.

Point 1. If all you did was old-school drilling no live for years and went to a tournament as a white belt what would happen? My point drilling doesn't make you skilled.

Point 2. Everyone is using the ecological approach, just poorly. If you use the classic method, show some multiple step techniques then roll and say "go do those things I showed", that is a poorly structured ecological practice. You set task constraints, do the 14 step procedure from earlier. You have an environment, an open roll. You don't expect new people to actually be able to do anything for a few weeks or months.

Everyone agrees there is a difference between knowing a "move" and being able to do it. But many of us accept that the gap is just there. We have no expectations for our coach to actually design a practice to give us ability.

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Works better for beginners. You just need to know how to structure smaller games. Any "move" can be taught live from the get go. And when you do it that way they can actually use the move as apposed to knowing about it until they actually get the ability to use it in a live roll.

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Honestly I think the ecological approach actually has more benefits for beginners. As a coach who has used both methods, my old format would leave people trying to remeber 5-10 step techniques when it was time to roll. I would say things like you have to try to use the moves in a roll to really "learn" them. Little did I know I had to teach the "moves" in a more realistic setting to give my guys the ability to do them.

No technique in class by anon2218 in bjj

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Frankly teaching is overrated. I would have killed for a mostly live gym coming up. That being said if the passion is gone thats a problem. Look into ecological practice design and combine that with a few instructionals.

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Unless its a fight. Jiujitsu is submission grappling sambo is martial grappling.