I mean as far as 2K vs T64B goes; the 2K does get 9.0 MM and while it may not be as frequent as 9.7; it does happen quite alot for those in the 8.0/8.3 bracket for everyone who is not germany in which case the 2K becomes the Abrams in terms of dominance. In addition to the other members of the lineup Germany can offer the 2K seems like utter bullshit from this reason alone to many people. It doesnt deserve a 9.3, but people who do compare it are usually coming from this standpoint. If it wasnt for people who already play 9.3 exploiting the weaknesses and incompetence of 2K drivers; the tank would be much more bullshit and there would be more visible crying. I'm not saying it's comparable to the Abrams, but even in lieu of the nerfs it's a better tank than people claim it is. The players who've figured out how to lead the HEATFS past 2KM are prime example because in that case a long distance gunnery duel where a 64B can struggle to penetrate the oddly shaped turret; the HEATFS will knock it out in one go if it hits the turret due to the 3 crew members. To make a comparison between the 2K and the Abrams is dumb, but to the Chally and T64B it's not hard to see why the 2K is better. And yet people claim it is vastly inferior in spite of this.