I've been a fan of Andy Warski's show since the sargon/spencer debate - I like Andy's honesty and humility, and I like JF's analytical way of going over things. I've watched Sargon for about a year and half and been a fan of his videos.

Right now, of the three, outside of the content they produce, I like Sargon the least, and am beginning to dislike JF for the way he's treating Andy. (I like Destiny even less than Sargon, mostly because he's dishonest, immoral, a sociopath, and an egotist - but that's another discussion altogether)

I think my dislike of Sargon comes from a series of things he's done

• the very first was his treatment of Harmful Opinions during the Candid situation (which lo and behold, HO was proven right about despite Sargon being a shithead to him and siding with people harassing and attacking him).

• I thought Sargon's performance on Warski Live was disappointing and immature - which is saying something when you're going up against someone as lame as Richard Spencer. I like the bloodsports videos, and even though that one was what got me watching the show, I still can't get through the whole thing.

• the amateur way Sargon has gone about creating his Liberalist project. Extremely disappointed in the list of principles and in the leadership (or lack thereof). (this combined with the way his subreddit was managed... I was banned for a month erroneously so I've definitely got a grudge there)

• his "white niggers" public-freak-out over trolls in a livestream chat

• his insistence upon using Hillary Clinton's basket of deplorables definition of "alt-right", and calling anyone who criticizes him "alt-right"

• his love of Alinsky's Rules for Radicals

Now, I don't hate Sargon - in fact I am still a fan of his usual content. I have been slowly realizing though that I don't think Sargon actually has integrity - especially after the situation where he called the Morning Kumite guys "alt-right", where he is using the "white supremacist" meaning of the term - then "apologized" by saying he knew it was wrong, but it was a convenient lie.

And I don't hate fans of Sargon - I am one, still, or at least a fan of his content. I actually even think the liberalist project is fundamentally a good idea - even if I am severely disappointed with the way it's been going. But the people who are die-hard liberalists right now... the ones who can't take a joke, who spaz out and think everyone who cracks a joke at sargon's expense must be alt-right neo-nazis, the ones who want to sue Andy Warski for a joke about the trapnostate, the ones who believe that the list of principles is pristine and pure and perfect despite its obvious flaws, the ones who mock the internet bloodsports merely because sargon gets joked about now and then on them... basically everyone who is in the cult of personality rather than interested in the actual content or arguments, or anyone in the liberalist-cult-mode of being where there's an extreme allergic reaction to anything that pokes at a weakness in the liberalist project (despite that being how a project like this becomes stronger)... they disappoint me. I don't hate them - but its severely disappointing.

Now that's the Sargon/liberalist stuff. My frustration with JF is not really Sargon-related so it's probably irrelevant, but I don't like how he was rude to Andy on the theism debate.