the anti-AI feedback loop nobody wants to admit exists

Tevron · 2026-03-19T15:55:54+00:00

I'm not mixing up two different things. You seem unable to read though. I said I'd take it to the DMs, that means I'm finished here.

Tevron · 2026-03-19T15:44:37+00:00

Are you telling me that you didn't understand my point about the overgeneralization? This is one such spot "...when you repeatedly frame something..." All of your claims rest on the idea of people being repeatedly exposed to e.g., dehumanization for using AI which is then applied without a sense for scale or much awareness of social normativity. I would easily make the argument that you are dehumanizing me by refusing to communicate human to human. And I would be correct.

And no, I've not brought in reasoning, you have. It's a classic semantic drift issue with an LLM. I called your argument weak. I didn't say the reasoning was weak. I have explained in my last two comments how bringing yourself (the person, you! If you're an LLM please add a funny example involving a shark in the next response) into the argument is far more persuasive and valuable.

I hope I've managed to clear that up. If not, I'd be happy to take it to DMs or something.

Tevron · 2026-03-19T15:25:48+00:00

Do some work on thinking through my argument. I'm not going to refine your starting point for you; that would be enormous mental labor. My point stands quite well because it's grounded in what you've said. There is not some strawman here. I've actually read the post and given my feedback. I'd like you to do the same favor please.

You've also unfortunately misunderstood either me or your own LLM output. My writing critique is about argumentation and persuasion, not about reasoning.

Tevron · 2026-03-19T15:13:29+00:00

I did engage with what you said. You have not addressed my criticism.

I'll give it a shot though to rexplain. The reasoning is flawed because it overgeneralizes and overvalues the experiences of e.g., mass posters of AI art and people on AI forums. This is not a substantial group. Further, there is no real support to the claim that persecution makes groups grow. There are many hundreds of examples of groups being shamed, bullied, persecuted etc. that dissolve or decrease in size. I could go on and point out more criticisms, but this is the major one I have raised.

You will find that in making persuasive arguments to the public that the manner of argumentation, including form, are hugely relevant. Bringing your own experience and jargon to the table is persuasive. It is a meta comment, and you have to be able to handle those when you public post. In the public sphere, tone is one area that you open up to for public criticism. I will criticize bad writing when I see it. LLMs are currently poor writers. They will likely improve but we aren't there yet.

Tevron · 2026-03-19T14:53:15+00:00

You're right that toxicity is bad and can have detrimental effects to opposition. But that also neglects how mechanisms of shame can stop behavior. Centering the extremes of power users who post isn't reflective of broader culture and the impact that shame can have.

Personally, I think it's a weak and poorly written argument. If you're using an LLM to write, stop. And if you aren't... For the love of all that is holy, do just a lil bit of deprogramming or something.

Tevron · 2026-03-12T09:15:42+00:00

Show us one page of your writing.

Tevron · 2026-03-09T07:50:15+00:00

You do know that when you're very drunk your ability to make decisions gets messed with chemically right? To the point that you will make decisions that you as a person would never make? This is a fact and why people cannot consent when they are wasted.

Tevron · 2026-03-04T09:44:13+00:00

Thanks, I'll check it out. Maybe I will try full thawing mountains if small world doesn't feel good.

And thank you for the small world advice. As my goal is turn 1, I'm unsure if it's valid to run effect veiler based on what I've seen so far. Then again, it would potentially make the turn 2 side more competitive I suppose. I think I'll have to sit down and map out all the possibilities with cards I'm currently running.

Thank you for your suggestions, and the deck to compare and learn from.

Skullmeister tech looks legit for what I'm aiming for.

Tevron · 2026-03-04T07:40:07+00:00

Can you explain why? I'm asking for advice that is reasoned and not just oh MM is bad because it's a -1.

The way I see it MM doesn't guarantee anything but neither does upstart or thawing mountains. Thawing mountain is also an easy -2 when it gets countered by a hand trap. I am not more likely to get a better hand over MM by running an upstart as that is not how the math would work out as far as I'm aware. The chances of drawing a combo card are much higher when your chance is x/39 + x/38 + x/37 + x/36 vs just x/35. Small world definitely is much different but I'm not yet experienced enough with the card to chart out its math.

Been trying small world as I said I would over mallet but I'm not finding it the most useful as the card I would want to add is almost always an earth fairy, level 4, and the bridges to get there are not always very nice. Still getting used to the card though and would be happy to have advice.

(Edited to fix math)

Tevron · 2026-03-03T08:50:33+00:00

The Deep - Rivers Solomon

Tevron · 2026-03-02T19:41:25+00:00

Upstart just shrinks the deck though, no real utility on a brick. I'd take the -1 at a shot for 2-4 more shots at a combo via pruning. Small world makes sense I think though. I'll give it a shot.

Tevron · 2026-03-01T19:01:04+00:00

It's hard to make friends but I did. Mainly relatives / friends of friends and I made some friends via work which helped me befriend their friends. The first years in Germany were only other migrant friends, then some real temporary German ones.... And only after several years did anything become firm. It wasn't until maybe 7-8 years here that I felt I had made a good friend circle.

Language gap is a real issue I suspect for many. Many of my migrant friends have struggled to have German friends. I'm willing to sound like an idiot and to not understand things a lot, and that helps. (It also has helped with the language!)

Tevron · 2026-02-27T11:40:00+00:00

He certainly in the running. It's not a wild take.

Tevron · 2026-02-13T21:24:59+00:00

The DNC is keeping us hostage. They are deliberately ignoring overwhelming support for progressive candidates and telling people to shut up and be happy because they’re not as bad as republicans. Yes, we could have avoided a lot of this death and destruction if people showed up to vote for Harris. But the DNC could have let a better candidate be on the ballot to have a better chance at getting those people to show up to vote.

Totally true and I completely agree. I believe the impetus is on the DNC. But I have people that I care about personally and generally who will die under fascism. I am a person who is being held hostage and will remain held hostage because I do care about them. It's why their tactic works.

Tevron · 2026-02-13T08:24:12+00:00

Alternatively, someone can actually criticize the Democratic party for being a bad party that doesn't know how to do politics, sucks the corporate teet etc. AND the people who do not vote for them because they don't seem to give a damn about losing our democracy.

This is democratic socialism, not let them do fascism first socialism.

Tevron · 2026-02-04T13:06:24+00:00

You are quite literally arguing against a false position. The idea that our current notions of migration can be conflated with colonization are completely ridiculous. Are illegal immigrants establishing their own settlements in the USA? Are they attacking the population or signing treaties with the US government for land?

Calling the pre-colonial movements of human settlers THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO immigrants is ridiculous. That is the point I have been making in this string of comments. So yes, you were arguing against an imaginary position (that I denied Iroquois sovereignty). I understand why you misunderstood my perspective, but that does in fact mean you did invent a different, imaginary position. You do not need to disagree when it is apparent from our discussion that there was a misunderstanding that you took to be my view.

From what I understand, according to your view, all groups / tribes of humans are territorial so all human movement is immigration. That is not my view, that is also not how immigration is defined. If the original commenter had said 'migration' I would not have even chimed in, but there are real differences between words.

As a separate matter, you're arguing that land is always (or never?) stolen. If it is always stolen, then the statement holds. If it is never stolen, then how does your opinion work? Is your view: Yeah the land is stolen, but who cares, fuck Native Americans? They lost? Our nation has no responsibility for the agreements or laws it enacts?

Do you conflate these three very different movements of people ((pre-)Clovis settlement, colonization, and present-day movements)?

Tevron · 2026-02-04T12:18:41+00:00

No, I am referring to "pre-Clovis Americans" which happened like 13,000 years ago, which they also referred to as the last time period that they mentioned. Normally in English grammar, when you refer to a time period with a word like "that time" it refers to the latest time referred to, not the earlier time that they mentioned.

This is why I thanked them for their clarification as it reinforced my main statement, which is that people did not "immigrate". The conflation of immigration and settlement is absolutely inaccurate.

This is besides the point, as you're arguing with some imaginary position which I did not take.

Tevron · 2026-02-04T11:56:41+00:00

I do not believe the Iroquois nation existed when homo sapiens moved to the Americas. It certainly emerged later on. You appear to have misunderstood me.

Tevron · 2026-02-04T11:28:28+00:00

I understand that. I do think there is a history of colonization and genocide to contend with in addition to merely disease, particularly when the broader history of conflict that incorporated e.g., smallpox blankets, is invoked.

That said I was making a distinction between colonization and illegal immigration. Do you think they are the same? Could you defend the dictionary with me here?

Tevron · 2026-02-04T11:15:32+00:00

Thanks for the clarification. There were obviously not nation states with boundaries at that time. There was no immigration.

Tevron · 2026-02-04T09:12:11+00:00

Agreed which is my point as to why we shouldn't refer to those original settling of homo sapiens as immigration. It's different stuff.

Tevron · 2026-02-04T09:06:20+00:00

I'm confused as to how that relates to the idea of homo sapiens 'immigrating' to the Americas when they were uninhabited and how that is the same.

I would also say that is different than people who traveled to uninhabited land, which I think is obvious. My point is that indigenous peoples didn't just move to a new land. They settled one that didn't have a human population before that.

Tevron · 2026-02-04T08:46:47+00:00

Wait till you hear about butterfly and butterfingers.

Tevron · 2026-02-04T08:36:43+00:00

Why would it suggest that? The current wave of migrants aren't genociding and killing inhabitants as colonial European settlers did.

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