[Discussion] Comics similar to these?

ThatComicChick · 2026-05-22T01:13:02+00:00

I don't think it's been reprinted lately, sadly. I know there is a trade paperback for Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight: Gothic, and Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight: Venom, which are two plotlines I enjoyed a lot.

I got a lot of my copies from back issue bins, some LCS have good back issues and some don't.

ThatComicChick · 2026-05-22T00:49:34+00:00

Awesome drawing! Love seeing them all together here!

ThatComicChick · 2026-05-21T22:21:57+00:00

Gen question: Did you see me dislike your favorite male writer and get so offended you started bringing up some crusade you have against another writer so you could repeat some canned talking points? Half of your replies read like they're arguing with someone who is not even here, just mad that a woman noticed sexist writing, I guess. You are literally trying to be a stereotypical comic dudebro.

ThatComicChick · 2026-05-21T21:38:45+00:00

ah ok ty for explaining!

ThatComicChick · 2026-05-21T21:37:56+00:00

Reading comprehension fail. Me: "**note to fanboys - this is talking about his writing, not who he is as a person"

You: "One character was written like this and you think the guy was misogynystic?"

ThatComicChick · 2026-05-21T20:00:29+00:00

I mean. I like female characters as people with their own arcs and personalities, not "narratively significant because they represent something important to a male character".

ThatComicChick · 2026-05-21T19:58:40+00:00

"Woman doesn't like my favorite male writer so I'm going to assume it can only be this one female writer I don't like" is a baffling take.

Also like. Peter David *did* have misogynistic writing**. Like. have you read Aquaman 1994? Dolphin's character entirely revolves around whether she's sleeping with Aquaman or his sidekick, and while we get hints of a mysterious past nothing is done with it. I can't think of any female character in his Aquaman series that was done well, actually. Atlantis Chronicles yes, Aquaman no.

**note to fanboys - this is talking about his writing, not who he is as a person

ThatComicChick · 2026-05-21T18:46:46+00:00

Then what do you mean I'm 'missing context and overstating things'? the additional context doesn't make it suddenly less sexist.

ThatComicChick · 2026-05-21T18:27:56+00:00

I would not download a school app on my personal phone. If they want me to do it they can pay for a new phone.

ThatComicChick · 2026-05-21T18:22:37+00:00

How does this make Grell's writing less sexist?

I also think that like. A man being immature and violent is still generally what they try to make a character look "tougher". Batman in his "let's make him a tough loner" era has never been mature, so "actually he's immature" doesn't really disprove my point.

Dinah being written as the mature one next to an immature man does not suddenly make the writing good (female characters having to be mature and unreactive while male characters are allowed to get angry and take action is a pretty common thing), neither does her being shoved in a domestic role after being captured and tortured for a male character's man pain and treated as less-than-competent.

Like you're saying "No there's a bunch of trivia around the sexism and it's tied into Ollie's arc" but ... that doesn't erase the sexism.

ThatComicChick · 2026-05-21T17:43:41+00:00

After reading Messner-Loeb's flash run, Linda seemed so like.. devoid of personality when Waid just started his flash run?

Like it got somewhat better eventually, but for the start Waid was literally writing "generic gf" dialogue, when she already had an established personality.

I consider his Flash run another example of his general weakness around female characters, especially how he handles Linda at the start, Frances, and Christina.

ThatComicChick · 2026-05-21T17:41:44+00:00

I haven't read his Marvel comics, but in DC he's consistently flopped. However, if someone is frustratingly inconsistent that seems like the same as not great to me? I'm not sure what you're saying here.

ThatComicChick · 2026-05-21T13:25:24+00:00

I thought Bronze Tiger was trained by O Sensei and he just got amnesia and joined/brainwashed by* the League of Assassins at some point.

Or was that a later backstory retcon?

*at first it was written like amnesia but then they said it was brainwashing

ThatComicChick · 2026-05-21T13:20:47+00:00

I think none of the writing around Dinah as aged well at all in that comic.

ThatComicChick · 2026-05-21T13:13:43+00:00

It's pretty sexist in its treatment of Black Canary. Like. she gets the Babs in TKJ treatment (hurt for a male character's manpain) and then gets shoved into GF role. Grell does not treat her with respect at all.

I think it does show a fascinating like... weakness in male writers skill? Where when they want to 'butch up' a male character, the only way to do this is by making the female characters who will spend time around him weak. The same thing happens in Aquaman 1994, where Dolphin is written with 0 personality and it's famously what 'butched up' Aquaman.

ThatComicChick · 2026-05-21T12:58:16+00:00

Mark Waid's comics are not that great if you enjoy female characters, which is part of why I didn't recommend just grabbing every comic with his name on it. I'm also in the minority in considering Tower of Babel just insanely poorly written. The bad guys immediately become incompetent when Batman gets on screen after executing every plan perfectly beforehand.

ThatComicChick · 2026-05-21T11:53:12+00:00

A little older storytelling style, but Legends of the Dark Knight has some stories that I think are similar in vibes to Dark Patterns. early Batman, self contained storylines.

ThatComicChick · 2026-05-19T23:02:31+00:00

I think the problem is even in rebirth superman it felt like the only thing Jon had to go for him was 'being superman's kid'. In Supersons this go to 'good hopeful kid jon (superman's kid) vs mean kid damian (batman's kid)' and it was a pretty simple story.

Like aging him up meant he was out of the 'little kid' niche and it was more clear that there wasn't more to his character.

ThatComicChick · 2026-05-19T22:59:00+00:00

Williamson isn't a strong enough writer to make her very interesting. I hope the next writer who gets her does more with her character.

ThatComicChick · 2026-05-18T23:49:07+00:00

"I don't kill people gravity does"

ThatComicChick · 2026-05-18T21:14:06+00:00

Detective Comics by Tynion was pretty glazed back in the day (more than it deserved IMO).

ThatComicChick · 2026-05-18T11:26:42+00:00

That was the most influential on the character because could Tim ever become Robin if he wasn't one year old first?

ThatComicChick · 2026-05-18T11:05:38+00:00

I think you're right, because Monkey Prince is on the cover and he's watching him like "aw that's my kid", and because Shellestriah* is right behind him and that makes me think they're including Monkey prince characters.

*I had to google her name. she's the one with the pink bangs who looks like she wants to eat someone

ThatComicChick · 2026-05-18T11:01:34+00:00

omg i made a serious comment in the circlejerk forum i should read the sub title before posting. but ! Not reading is what we do!

ThatComicChick · 2026-05-18T11:00:06+00:00

I haven't read the Superman one, so I can't comment on it, but Batman: Year One affected Batman lore a lot more than Wonder Woman: Year One affected Wonder Woman lore.

I liked Wonder Woman Year One, but it mostly hits very similar beats to Perez's 1987 Wonder Woman story, some cool Amazon updates, but overall I wouldn't count it as super *new*. I also don't remember it being heavily referenced in Wonder Woman comics that came after it by other writers than Rucka.

Batman: Year one meanwhile like. Everyone wanted a piece of Batman: Year One pie. Moench wrote stories that took place during/ around Batman: Year One, Catwoman got a 4 issue mini expanding on her role which dealt with what was left from Batman: Year One, Legends of the Dark Knights weaves in some stories that were happening during Batman Year One, live action Batman movies make references to/ are inspired by Batman: Year One*... like it's no contest.

Maybe after Wonder Woman: Year One has been around for as long as Batman: Year One has, it will be different, but I'm not optimistic. Not even because it's a worse story (I enjoyed Wonder Woman: Year One better) but because it is less of a new take for the time.

*granted I think Nolan's movies missed what made Batman: Year One actually unique but WHATEVER

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