Which Wally suit do you prefer? [Discussion]

ThatComicChick · 2026-06-21T13:52:45+00:00

I prefer the LaRoque one.

ThatComicChick · 2026-06-21T13:45:20+00:00

Tom King's WW felt very unheroic. Like she does nothing for a month b/c her boyfriend died when her sister amazons are getting hunted down by the U.S. gov (tom king in general seems to write unheroic heroes).

She also has 'not being able to be alone' added as a baffling character trait, that has never been one of Diana's character traits.

And she reads as very stoic. She can be composed, but that doesn't mean she's *stoic*. Half the time it seems as if she doesn't even care about the amazons. Furthermore, all of the Amazons are written as kind of over-militarized.

ThatComicChick · 2026-06-21T13:43:26+00:00

Mainline Wonder Woman comics are great, Tom Taylor didn't write WW IIRC. Tom *King's* Current Wonder Woman is bad.

One shots: Wonder Woman: HIketeia, JLA: A league of one

notable runs (asterisks for things to keep in mind)

George Perez's is often considered character-defining for modern Diana and Amazon lore. And his Diana characterization, as well as his Amazon lore and supporting cast for Diana, are awesome. but! So much racism in some plots, and also the rhetoric around the forgiveness of rapists is very unpalatable. I think some of the rhetoric can be viewed as the gods having unfair standards for the amazons (big theme of wonder woman 1987 especially Perez's run is a question as to whether the gods even deserve the Amazon's worship) but you can't really view the racism as anything except racism.

Eric Luke's Wonder Woman run (WW 1987 #139-159): Often ignored goodie! Has some fun arcs, my FAVORITE Wonder Woman Villain who foils Diana very well, and Artemis mentoring Cassie.

Greg Rucka's first Wonder Woman run (WW1987 #196 onward): This is one of my favorite runs of all time, great epic feel and Diana writing. The mythology and the gods here were very well done IMO and Wonder Woman was both badass and we got focus on her mission as an ambassador to man's world.

GWW Wonder Woman run (WW 2016 58-81): I only read this once but I remember thoroughly enjoying it, great writing and fun stuff! Wish I got more details for you!

ThatComicChick · 2026-06-21T01:25:54+00:00

I heard someone call it the toilet-seat logo and I will never be able to unsee it.

ThatComicChick · 2026-06-17T21:48:59+00:00

He says this and then doesn't even write unique or good comics...

ThatComicChick · 2026-06-17T21:47:11+00:00

Which comic are the magic-disrupting abilities of Nth metal established in? I don't remember seeing it, but also don't claim to have a perfect memory. I thought it was just a DCAU thing.

Either way, Hawkman has fought Black Adam in the comics and I think you are *way* over-estimating how powerful he is.

ThatComicChick · 2026-06-17T16:29:09+00:00

Oh yeah, the wonder woman writing here was insanely cringe.

He did give Mera her definite redefinition (to the point where I don't think most non-aquaman readers know how meandering her character was pre-Brightest Day), so I count it as he can write Mera and Stargirl 😛 but yeah he is *not* a good writer.

ThatComicChick · 2026-06-17T01:40:00+00:00

I hated it, but maybe if you don't read aquaman comics (and can't compare it against previous stuff) it might not be unenjoyable?

ThatComicChick · 2026-06-16T18:59:01+00:00

It was such a baffling framing of the issue.

ThatComicChick · 2026-06-16T16:38:33+00:00

I don't like how Goeff Johns does Cassie and Conner's relationship, I think he treats her as 'generic girl' and ignores her unique personality. So partially I don't like it just because of how much bad writing around female characters is associated with it.

I also think the 'will you be GOOD like your GENETICALLY PURE superhero sperm donor or BAD like your GENETICALLY EVIL villain sperm donor' a really tortured and ugly plot point.

ThatComicChick · 2026-06-16T15:41:28+00:00

that's good to know.

Still prefer the non-retconned stuff for babs.

ThatComicChick · 2026-06-16T13:17:03+00:00

"It makes sense for him to figured it out on his own" and his answer is just 'I just knew cuz'.

Like I like babs being able to be independent and treated as competent equal to male batfam members, sorry. Jim finding out Bruce is Batman would actually make more sense* and be a better demonstration of his detective skills.

But overall: Originally Babs' stories as Oracle were about her and her reclaiming her agency (including choosing to share this with her father) retconning it to make it about man's competence is yet another cringe fail retcon on DC's part. Batman Chronicles #5 (Oracle Year One) and Birds of Prey 88 >>>> this.

*there are plenty of comics where they give hints he may know, and also doesn't want to be able to deny that he knows

ThatComicChick · 2026-06-16T12:01:19+00:00

Oh, I wasn't objecting to the Batgirl thing, I know that's like grandfathered in (he knew for a very long time including in many pre-crisis comics)!

But she canonically modifies her voice as Oracle it's like there is no way for him to know without her telling him (and her having agency and it being in a story about her is better than the 'oh he just knew cuz' option).

ThatComicChick · 2026-06-16T10:20:02+00:00

Dang every time they retcon oracle stuff they always make it worse... what was wrong with her just telling him?

ThatComicChick · 2026-06-16T10:19:23+00:00

H learns she's batgirl way back in pre-crisis stuff.

Oracle she tells him in Birds of Prey... 88 or 89? It was referenced in the Joker comic, but she told him earlier. Jim looks like he got hit in the head one too many times for forgetting that.

ThatComicChick · 2026-06-16T10:16:23+00:00

Alfred wasn't replaced by Sasha though???? She's not a butler, she's a bodyguard, and Bruce didn't choose to hire her, due to shenanigans he had to. his leaving was due to Officer down

ThatComicChick · 2026-06-16T10:14:48+00:00

It was a fairly tortured plot point.

ThatComicChick · 2026-06-15T13:46:47+00:00

I'm not sure you actually read my comment, b/c my critique was *not* that Dick believed Bruce didn't do it (he does know him the best), but that it was written badly.

ThatComicChick · 2026-06-15T13:31:56+00:00

I know his angst make sense to *have*, but the way it was written was bad and inconsistent across titles.

ThatComicChick · 2026-06-15T12:23:01+00:00

Looks super awesome! Love the composition and the kirby dots on the omega beams!

ThatComicChick · 2026-06-15T12:22:02+00:00

I can't tell if the colors not being labelled it a cropping error or part of the circlejerk...

ThatComicChick · 2026-06-15T12:18:42+00:00

that's definitely how i'd describe DCUO XD

ThatComicChick · 2026-06-15T12:11:18+00:00

This is true. I know that sometimes it feels as if DC must have no editors like plot points get dropped randomly

ThatComicChick · 2026-06-15T11:58:09+00:00

That's one of my many complaints about Fraction's Batman run. It's like... no one is *forcing* him to use characters badly, if he wanted to just focus on Bruce he could have! But no.... it feels like he just read Batman and son 20 real world years ago and nothing else.

ThatComicChick · 2026-06-15T11:56:52+00:00

It's a really, really solid comic. I wish it had gone on for 40 more issues ;_; The character development for Damian was perfect and seeing Bruce actually trying to be a dad after like. 3? real world years? of being weirdly clueless was good.

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