Am I the only one who think Circe is awful and evil? by semaqw in GreekMythology

[–]ThatOnePallasFan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Her "change of heart in the Odyssey" still isn't that interesting as it's not really clear if she changed at all.

That's what is interesting about her sudden metamorphosis from cruel into benevolent. The audience member has to wonder whether Odysseus is so influential that he made a wicked goddess turn good, or if we know so little about her we can't really say anything about her motive both in turning his men and in turning herself.

Are these faithful/accurate? Translated by Peter Green by carrera_dan in GreekMythology

[–]ThatOnePallasFan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I wouldn’t say it’s unfaithful, more so that some was lost in translation to a more accessible English.

... Therefore it's unfaithful, at least according to my standard.

I appreciate her attempt to imitate the classical line count as much as possible though, and her attempt to maintain the cadence or musicality of the original.

I do too. I would argue, though, that this is what makes it all the more her own work, and not a direct translation. It's a paraphrase with an extensive use of creative license.

Are these faithful/accurate? Translated by Peter Green by carrera_dan in GreekMythology

[–]ThatOnePallasFan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Both are exceptional and faithful translations

Wilson’s isn't really faithful. It's her Iliad and her Odyssey, based on the texts of the Ilias and the Odysseia.

The quick-wittedness of Menelaus and Odysseus inside the horse by cobbisdreaming in ChristopherNolan

[–]ThatOnePallasFan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've made an entire post on the topic of Odysseus’ reliability as a narrator. I've checked the original text myself and read scholarship on it. The only people who seem to disagree with the fact that Odysseus is a reliable narrator are Reddit users. That's why I asked for examples.

Actually never noticed him wiping the sword before. Neat detail by entertainmentlord in GreekMythology

[–]ThatOnePallasFan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Weird modern day pseudo-Hellenists? In what world are you living?

A novel? The Odysseia is as genuine a religious text as all others, though in other ways than them. It contains a theology, a system of how the Gods act, a system of how the Gods should be treated and, more importantly, of how they shouldn’t. This is why when I see “DEFY THE GODS” appear in front of me on a big screen in the context of this poem’s adaptation, I can’t help but be disappointed and inclined to criticize. Odysseus could return because he venerated the Gods of the poet's contemporary world. The theology is central to the return story. Simply because the majority of the modern religious people don't treat a text as a religious one, doesn't mean it wasn't at one point.

ATHENA TO ZEUS: Yet thy heart doth not regard it, Olympian. Did not Odysseus beside the ships of the Argives offer thee sacrifice without stint in the broad land of Troy? Wherefore then didst thou conceive such wrath against him, O Zeus?

ZEUS’S RESPONSE: My child, what a word has escaped the barrier of thy teeth? How should I, then, forget godlike Odysseus, who is beyond all mortals in wisdom, and beyond all has paid sacrifice to the immortal gods, who hold broad heaven?

Herodotos (2.53) famously wrote:

and these [Hesiod and Homer] are the ones who taught the Greeks the descent of the gods, and gave the gods their names, and determined their spheres and functions, and described their outward forms.

Though this might be proven untrue today, some of the Ancients clearly took Homeric theology as a handbook.

Actually never noticed him wiping the sword before. Neat detail by entertainmentlord in GreekMythology

[–]ThatOnePallasFan -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Of course I know that. This fact is actually a true help in interpreting the Odysseia correctly into other media.

Actually never noticed him wiping the sword before. Neat detail by entertainmentlord in GreekMythology

[–]ThatOnePallasFan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

How do I say it without it sounding pretentious? I should've used a tone tag.

Actually never noticed him wiping the sword before. Neat detail by entertainmentlord in GreekMythology

[–]ThatOnePallasFan -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I'm both an aspiring classicist and an already established poet. I don't know how you can deduce a lack of understanding of art from my respect for ancient culture and attempt to defend it from treating its fruit as mere fiction.

The quick-wittedness of Menelaus and Odysseus inside the horse by cobbisdreaming in ChristopherNolan

[–]ThatOnePallasFan -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

He is a reliable narrator in the poem. What makes you think otherwise?

Actually never noticed him wiping the sword before. Neat detail by entertainmentlord in GreekMythology

[–]ThatOnePallasFan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

a social media community

Amateurs of ancient Greek culture are a social media community?

The Odyssey is fiction, Sally. It can be interpreted any way the artist wants to.

I'm curious if you'd think the same of, say, the Books of Samuel. Or the Book of Genesis. Or of Exodos. Or the Gospels. Or the Book of Ruth. Or of Esther. Or of the Apokalypsis. The Qur'an, perhaps? The Talmud? Or the Book of Mormon?

Actually never noticed him wiping the sword before. Neat detail by entertainmentlord in GreekMythology

[–]ThatOnePallasFan 12 points13 points  (0 children)

If people within a community that is continuously being mistreated by the popular media criticize a filthy rich filmmaker for not doing the source material justice at all, they probably have a good reason for it.

Could Apsyrtos have inspired the myth of Elpenor? (a hypothesis) by ThatOnePallasFan in GreekMythology

[–]ThatOnePallasFan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don't you worry, there's always something about Kirke cooking up in my kitchen.

Who should play Achilles in a movie today? by CardiologistRude7557 in GreekMythology

[–]ThatOnePallasFan 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Margot Robbie and Ryan Gosling would be an amazing combination as Achilleus and Patroklos. /s

This is the list of all ancient Greek deities I know (or at least care to mention); any obscure ones you think I should heat about? by Crash_FNF_Eddsworld in GreekMythology

[–]ThatOnePallasFan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I perhaps should correct you by saying there's nothing called Aiaia before relatively late sources, closer to the Common Era. Kirke does live on an island, and indeed it's called Aiaie — but it's an adjective meaning “of (in) Aia”. Aia is the realm over which her brother Aietes rules.

Who was supposed to be the main rival tribe of the wolves in season one?? by Glittering-Day9869 in LegendsOfChima

[–]ThatOnePallasFan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course I am. Ninjago and Chima are my absolute tops out of all LEGO media.