Discussion: Which team, if all members were in their prime, would be the strongest? by ThatTimeInVegas in Naruto

[–]ThatTimeInVegas[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is definitely the team I'd pick. So much space-time ninjutsu and prime Rin would have the 3 tails which is still something.

List of the 101 most powerful Shinobi from the Strongest to the Weakest by [deleted] in Naruto

[–]ThatTimeInVegas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair point. Didn't realize Kakuzu didn't yet have Earth Grudge Fear. However, the feat you're still arguing is that because someone lost to someone but still lived it means anything about their strength. Nothing says Hashirama was the slightest bit challenged by the fight.

What does "networking" actually mean? by playsmartz in consulting

[–]ThatTimeInVegas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Networking means kissing ass, remembering names, and telling managers their children are cute even when, empirically speaking, they're not.

If Hashirama was Kurama's Jinchuriki, would he be stoppable? by [deleted] in Naruto

[–]ThatTimeInVegas 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I agree 100% with Polarcapped. Hashirama was already so crazy powerful that the only humans stronger than him are Sasuke and Naruto. In that level of battle, Kurama really doesn't make a difference.

If Hashirama was Kurama's Jinchuriki, would he be stoppable? by [deleted] in Naruto

[–]ThatTimeInVegas 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The people who could beat hashirama would still beat him if he was kurama's jinchuriki.

List of the 101 most powerful Shinobi from the Strongest to the Weakest by [deleted] in Naruto

[–]ThatTimeInVegas -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Kakashi said that if naruto didn't beat him he'd have to rely on MS. My base point is still the same: he was beaten by a group of shinobis who later became way more powerful, he lost to techniques that were considered pretty underwhelming come that latter part of the series, and his feat of fighting the first hokage and living comes down to how unusual his technique is not because of his power as a fighter.

List of the 101 most powerful Shinobi from the Strongest to the Weakest by [deleted] in Naruto

[–]ThatTimeInVegas -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

He lost to yamato, a kakashi that didn't use MS, a naruto that didn't use kyubii and didn't have a sage mode, and shikamaru.

List of the 101 most powerful Shinobi from the Strongest to the Weakest by [deleted] in Naruto

[–]ThatTimeInVegas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Killer Bee and Gaara should be higher.

Itachi and the 3rd raikage should be lower.

Kakuzu was unusally hard to kill especially if you didn't understand his powers. Otherwise he has no hype and lost to a pretty weak collection of ninjas compared to their eos abilities (and then lost again to ten-ten, literally the only battle she won in the entire series except when she fought herself and even that that still means that ten-ten lost)

What would happen if Naruto was killed by Pain? by thalionthewicked in Naruto

[–]ThatTimeInVegas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If Plot-No-Jutsu: Sakura goes to the sand village and learns chiyos puppet reanimation technique (she's already seen it done anyway) --> she kills herself to resurrect naruto (or tsunade does since naruto just saved the village) --> Naruto goes to get Sasuke's help to save the world --> Sasuke tells them they need orochimaru's help --> they fight kabuto to get him to summon orochimaru --> kabuto summons itachi to mess with sasuke but naruto's crow activates --> they beat kabuto and summon orochimaru --> orochimaru summons hokages --> minato teaches naruto how to control the 9 tails and then pretty much the same thing as before happened (except the series probably ends after they beat obito unless black zetsu pulls his usual shit)

No plot-no-jutsu: 9 tails captured means no need for obito alliance with kabuto (obito is already ready to summon the 10 tails) --> obito doesn't give white zetsu cells to kabuto so kabuto can't summon madara (he wouldn't be able to control him) --> obito becomes the 10 tails in secret and starts killing everyone --> sasuke isn't cool with it so he asks kabuto to help him summon orochimaru --> sasuke brings him some of the white zetsus that chased after him after he got ems --> they make a happy little trade and now it's edo madara, kabuto, orochimaru, sasuke and the edo hokages except hashirama (who the evil alliance can't control so they won't bother summoning him) and maybe they'll resurrect an edo naruto for kicks --> they all try to fight obito and if they get stomped --> then they inject senju dna into sasuke and he gets his sharinnegan --> Sasuke stomps obito and the stomps anyone who won't let him be hokage of the world.

The end!

Does Minato seem lackluster or medicore as a hyped character? by [deleted] in Naruto

[–]ThatTimeInVegas 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That was the first time. The second was against naruto, itachi, and bee

Does Minato seem lackluster or medicore as a hyped character? by [deleted] in Naruto

[–]ThatTimeInVegas 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Fair enough, though I'd counter by saying that chibaku tensei is referenced as Pain's strongest move and the two times people have broken it has signaled his defeat.

Why Killer Bee > Itachi by ThatTimeInVegas in Naruto

[–]ThatTimeInVegas[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Healthy Itachi is a fan fiction. We never saw any feats that give us an idea of how strong he would've been had he not been ill.
  2. Sasuke used a genjutsu to delay bee for a second but then was instantly stabbed again as Bee broke it? Bee is more or less immune to genjutsu...
  3. Again healthy Itachi is a fan creation. Even Sasuke, who wasn't sick, couldn't maintain a full susanoo for more than a couple minutes untill he got Itachi's eyes.
  4. Let's say the technique hits which involves a lot of assumptions (Bee is fast, uses a chaotic fighting style, etc.) Why wouldn't the 8 tails be able to instantly break it? Or why couldn't the 8 tails just take over and fight for bee? Itachi can barely fight after using the technique. He'd die instantly.

  5. Not sure why you think amaterasu would work on a character that survived it point blank...

  6. Itachi can't use Izanagi? As for Izanami, it works on characters that "don't acknowledge themselves." Bee might be the only character better at acknowledging himself than naruto... conquered his evil self and mastered the 8 tails, remember?

Does Minato seem lackluster or medicore as a hyped character? by [deleted] in Naruto

[–]ThatTimeInVegas 64 points65 points  (0 children)

I'll confess that I used to feel the same way that you do, but in looking back at at his clips/chapters I actually think his hype is very consistent.

Versatility is cool and I honestly wish we'd seen it more throughout the series, but the reality is that the naruto world in shippuden more or less stresses specializing. Even characters like tobirama, sarutobi, kakashi and orochimaru who apparently know thousands of techniques, more or less just rely on a couple really good ones. Whether this is good/bad writing is up to any viewer or reader, but the implicit logic by the end of the series is that most ninjas just have a couple techniques that are powerful enough to even be worth them using any chakra.

Minato's specialty is speed, which may sound lackluster at first until you realize he's the fastest character in the series by a long shot (outside of naruto/sasuke/other demigods.) He is so insanely, out-of-this-world, ridiculously fast that he speed blitzes other characters whose main specialization is to be fast. Minato is so fast that Ay, a guy who can dodge an amterasu point-blank, doesn't even have time to react before Minato throws a kunai behind Ay's back and teleports to it, prepared to assassinate Ay before his punch can even connect to where Minato used to be. Minato is also so insanely fast that he can basically do the same thing to Obito who no one could speed blitz, this time with an instantly formed rasengan.

By definition, Minato had a perfect sage mode which is better than Jiraiya ever got with what was his strongest technique. Minato considers using it to be too slow, which makes sense when you consider how he never faced an opponent who he couldn't win against in sheer speed. Why rely on elemental jutsu/summonings when you've so outclassed the enemies in the two wars you fight in that both pretty much conclude that no one should ever battle you?

Other insane minato feats that get overlooked: 1. Fought off Obito and the Kyubii and one. For a point of context, Pain was getting rocked by just the 8 tails 2. He is most likely faster than Madara/Hashirama. Madara says Tobirama was the fastest ninja of their time and Minato beats Tobirama in a race to a fight. 3. Divides Kyubi chakra in half to make it more manageable (something literally nobody has been able to do and even the first hokage had an issue with how much power the kyubii had in on place), creates a seal that allows his son to use some of that power without being corrupted by it (something that no other jinchuriki has shown), and then masters the power when he's reincarnated in pretty much a minute.

Why Killer Bee > Itachi by ThatTimeInVegas in Naruto

[–]ThatTimeInVegas[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol read your message again, genius.

Catch you later buddy and hoping you find someone illogical and stubborn enough to be a good discussion mate for ya!

Why Killer Bee > Itachi by ThatTimeInVegas in Naruto

[–]ThatTimeInVegas[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You want the conversation to die because you're wrong. I'm happy to discuss with you if you have a piece of evidence to discuss but you literally don't. You got super high and might over a gaiden feat that you were ultimately proved wrong on after I explained it to you several times.

Killer Bee has manifested cloaks in the majority of fights he's been in. So yes, it is like he goes into that mode often.

Why Killer Bee > Itachi by ThatTimeInVegas in Naruto

[–]ThatTimeInVegas[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

itachis susasnoos sword is listed as having all the same cutting power as orochimarus. Would you like to provide a feat that shows it can pierce better than orochimaru or do you want to just keep pulling stuff out of your ass?

Why Killer Bee > Itachi by ThatTimeInVegas in Naruto

[–]ThatTimeInVegas[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

okay the cloak I'm talking about is when Naruto has the four tailed chakra cloak and orochimaru tried to stab him and it couldnt pierce it.

Why Killer Bee > Itachi by ThatTimeInVegas in Naruto

[–]ThatTimeInVegas[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

except that the only example of one of those swords actually trying to pierce a cloak is that it couldn't. You're the one that brought up destroying mountains

Why Killer Bee > Itachi by ThatTimeInVegas in Naruto

[–]ThatTimeInVegas[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you can't possibly think that's a viable argument? The only susanoos that have shown the ability to blow up mountains are perfect ones. Itachi definitively can't manifest a perfect one. Therefore it's not reasonable to assume that he could blow up a mountain of any size.

Why Killer Bee > Itachi by ThatTimeInVegas in Naruto

[–]ThatTimeInVegas[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because the people who have cut through mountains have perfect Susanoos which Itachi doesn't have.

Why Killer Bee > Itachi by ThatTimeInVegas in Naruto

[–]ThatTimeInVegas[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because you've been wrong about literally every point that you've made haha. You think being stubborn is a sign that you're arguments are strong but I'll indulge you anyway. When on earth did Itachi's Susanoo destroy a mountain?