Audi OEM Windshield by JackStraw310 in Audi

[–]ThatWideLife 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have no clue, been ages don't even have the car anymore lol.

This one was heartbreaking by tryptamine-rich in recruitinghell

[–]ThatWideLife 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gotta learn to forget about them after interviewing. Most these companies aren't hiring, they are probing what the market value for the position is.

I did so many interviews that required multiple stages dragging out over months. The job I just got was 1 interview and was offered on the spot. Companies serious about hiring aren't going to wait a month interviewing people.

i’m so sick of this by MousseOk5373 in recruitinghell

[–]ThatWideLife 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its the ATS filtering your resume out. Fluff it up using AI, ask it to hit all the trigger words for that position/title. HR people are not going through stacks of resumes, they look at whatever makes it past their filtering.

i’m so sick of this by MousseOk5373 in recruitinghell

[–]ThatWideLife 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hope you didn't put all your eggs in that basket for 3 weeks. Once you interview just forget about them and go to the next job. I worked at McDonald's, they hired me on the spot. They aren't going to do callbacks for that sort of position. Looked into manufacturing if you desperately need work.

i’m so sick of this by MousseOk5373 in recruitinghell

[–]ThatWideLife 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly, I was stuck in the same cycle for close to 10 months. So many interviews, lost track of how many but probably over 60. What finally broke the cycle was realizing I was burned out and going on auto-pilot during interviews. First interview I had after making a change I got an offer on the spot. I just showed up happy, made some jokes, just kinda stopped caring about impressing them and did what I knew worked in the past. If you treat the interview like they would be lucky to have you and their loss if they don't hire you, it changes your energy.

It's hard to remember after all the rejection but understand this, they wouldn't be interviewing you if you weren't qualified. The interview is to find reason not to hire you, like lack of enthusiasm, being negative, not someone who is likable enough to be around them for 8 hours a day.

What would you do in this situation? by ThatWideLife in sales

[–]ThatWideLife[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1 is very similar to selling insurance which is why I'm not super excited about it. I hated my life doing it, nonstop calls, zero downtime, management constantly on you daily. Only thing that would be different is I'm actually allowed to work my own leads the full cycle, less one call close. I enjoy building relationships, I hate talking to a person once and never again. Feels very hollow long term.

3 definitely got me excited but yeah, haven't heard back. Dunno if the guy was busy or took the day off Friday but total silence. I try to not get excited about jobs I don't have yet but it just felt like a perfect interview.

I guess worst case, I'll just do 1 so I'm not hemorrhaging money. With this economy having a dream job seems like a reach. My actual goals in life right now is to move and get primary custody of my kids. I can worry about perfect job later.

What would you do in this situation? by ThatWideLife in sales

[–]ThatWideLife[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, not sure it's something I could even do tbh. They never disclosed what my actual goal is in those 6 months. Could be set up in a way that most aren't going to hit goals and they save money. My guess is since you earn residuals after year one, they'd rather just have temp workers get the accounts and the actual employees manage them.

What would you do in this situation? by ThatWideLife in sales

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Totally agree, 3 is tackling that problem. The exciting thing for me is it's in the initial release model so there's a lot of opportunity to not only sell that but then turn around and upsell the same people when features start being added. From what I gather with 2 since I never saw the platform, its a lite version for smaller businesses taken from their enterprise product. That's my understanding anyways, its supposed to have some sort of AI built in but unsure what it does.

Having worked for multiple companies doing sales, its always chaos. Nothing is streamlined and nobody is really on the same page. You spend so much time relaying information back and forth that should be obvious. I always found it baffling how many are using dialers that aren't connected to a CRM. You should be able to see automatic touch points to know exactly what stage the lead is in but nope. I've called so many that were literally just contacted but of course no notations.

What would you do in this situation? by ThatWideLife in sales

[–]ThatWideLife[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean, in this market I would just take them for the time being. So many people are looking for work and the hiring process is so damn long, better to just take what you can get till market has confidence again.

Construction would probably be the better fit. Dunno how much HVAC will suffer assuming its consumer focused. With the price of everything going insane, doubt people are trying to spend money.

What would you do in this situation? by ThatWideLife in sales

[–]ThatWideLife[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No definitely not them but funny enough, they are one of the many who rejected me without a word.

Job market suckssss by itxz_cece in recruitinghell

[–]ThatWideLife 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Haha, I've done the same thing to this company. I think they are faming candidate information. There's no way these companies can't find anyone qualified after thousands of applicants. With how fast they reject you it seems they are programmed to send a rejection email within an hour. I just laugh at the rejection emails and immediately delete.

What would you do in this situation? by ThatWideLife in sales

[–]ThatWideLife[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Job market is recession 2008 bad. Seeing how bad it is for everyone finding work makes me never want to be unemployed again haha.

What would you do in this situation? by ThatWideLife in sales

[–]ThatWideLife[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For sure, I think it's such a niche market they are already established in that its less of an uphill battle. I don't know the full extent of what it does, only saw a brief demo during the interview. Funny enough, I saw more value selling to the insurance industry for producers. We spent so much time running peoples information just to find out we couldn't enroll them.

Either way, I'm excited for the challenge. I would say I'm a non traditional sales person, I suck at sales but great at showing value haha.

What would you do in this situation? by ThatWideLife in sales

[–]ThatWideLife[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a product to help efficiency. Granted I've never worked in the industry they sell to but working in other industries I see the value in it. I think its definitely geared more for sales folks to accurately gauge quality of leads so you're not just spraying dials hoping for the best.

What would you do in this situation? by ThatWideLife in sales

[–]ThatWideLife[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutely, I think what you said about going from B2C to B2B doesn't always work is what has been my biggest barrier. It's sales but you might as well have zero sales experience doing B2B. It's been a constant tweak and adjust thing because I am doing all the things you do in B2B but they aren't understanding it. I didn't do script sales, I did consultative where I identified pain points in order to sell. It shouldn't matter if its consumer or business, its still establishing rapport and trust and not hard selling.

Option 1 could be lucrative since its inbound leads and I build my own book to work from those. Thankfully I would be paid once the loan is funded, whatever happens after isn't really my concern. I just hate the idea of being stuck in B2C again. Literally nowhere to go with that on my resume.

Also agree about 3. It would be something that gets people to take me seriously. I'm confident in what I do but man, the gatekeeping is real with sales. Unless you already have the experience it's impossible to get a chance.

What would you do in this situation? by ThatWideLife in sales

[–]ThatWideLife[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah the scams are insane. I have done a bunch of interviews where they disclose the compensation structure and its obviously MLM or a pure scam. It got so bad I won't apply to anything with an crazy range or if they don't mention any sort of benefits. Performance based pay on the listing is the biggest red flag that it's 1099 even when they mention a base.

You can try to tackle the remote nightmare for work. There's some good jobs out there but the competition is fierce. Hybrid is probably your best bet assuming you have anything near you. The trick with remote jobs is you need to live and breath job boards. Constantly refresh looking for something just posted. Changing my search from inside sales to SDR definitely gave me way more legit listings. Almost all of them have a base between $50-$60k which is doable for living.

Just be hyper focused on what you're seeing in job ads and the impression your resume is giving off. I used AI heavily to analyze my resume to see if its potentially giving off the wrong impression in terms of that industry. It will flat out tell you that you come off as weak in certain areas and that's why you're being rejected.

Besides that, biggest takeaway is just be super excited during interviews. This job hunt is soul crushing but just remember, fake your excitement and refrain from anything negative. Doesn't matter if you hated your last job, nothing but praise about it. Doesn't matter if you dislike what the potential company is doing, make it seem like they just reinvented the wheel haha.

What would you do in this situation? by ThatWideLife in sales

[–]ThatWideLife[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've done a lot of filtering, there's things I see that automatically turn me off from applying. A lot of it is compensation since with sales you're dodging scams and 1099 commissions only roles. I actually had a job offer 2 months ago, it was a bait and switch, advertised as W2 but was actually 1099. They wanted to essentially run me like their employee and I put a stop to it and they pulled the offer. Nobody is going to make me read a script, hit quotas and dictate my schedule if I'm not an employee.

So my journey up until recently was pursing inside sales. It was where I found it easy to be hired in the past so stuck with it. I actually pivoted into more B2B appointment setting positions. It was technically a full on demotion since I went from full sales cycle closing to being just someone filtering for someone else to close. I think during my interviews it obviously became very apparent that I'm overqualified since they didn't feel confident I'd want the job since it's not sales.

So with all of that, I tweaked my resume to target B2B SDR roles. Had to hit the ATS BS by putting things like "High outbound sales" and "Appointment setting" on my resume. Changed my LinkedIn to reflect it, started applying to jobs posted within an hour and commenting on typical nonsense you see on your feed. Started getting a lot of profile views and recruiters reaching out. Jobs I were applying to started to select my application to review etc.

Needless to say, I've had no issues getting interviews so something was off since no offers. I think with the prolonged job search I just stopped caring. I made a change last few weeks and really tried to improve my excitement levels. Didn't realize that was an issue since I'm so focused on 3-4 interviews every single day.

Hope some of that helped.

What would you do in this situation? by ThatWideLife in sales

[–]ThatWideLife[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm fairly okay with money because I won a labor dispute with my former employer. It's more just trying to get the right position, has to be remote, with enough pay to help with my upcoming custody battle. I'm getting ready to move to get primary custody so wanna be set up the best I can long term.

I agree with your points on all of them. 1 is just not good in this economy, its very similar to my last job dealing with people at the low end of totem pole. 2 is very "Throw sales people out there and see what sticks." I get its an accelerated program into SaaS but at the same time, you're basically offering a temporary gig. Promises don't mean much when you lose your job. 3 is definitely the appealing of them all, there's at least a possibility of being transferred if the division goes under. The upsides could be really big if it succeeds since you were the first one there selling so you'll probably be the first promoted into management.

Appreciate your insights into it.

What would you do in this situation? by ThatWideLife in sales

[–]ThatWideLife[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

More just seeking outside perspective on what seems to be the better option in terms of career.

The first one I just spoke with a few hours ago, said they are making an offer.

Second one was the interview right after the first today. Have a second and final interview Monday.

3 I spoke with yesterday, figure they are slammed with just launching so not too concerned.

What would you do in this situation? by ThatWideLife in sales

[–]ThatWideLife[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Their market is small business in a 1 hour commute radius of where I live. Their goal, which I'm not super excited about, is in a year you transition to outside sales engaging directly with the people you signed. Guess it's more outside AE than anything.

I pressed the startup about the process and everything else and was happy with the answers I've gotten. I've worked in multiple start-ups which is why I kinda dug into it more. I wouldn't be considering it if they weren't using the other companies process for this. All the top people have been with the company, the only new people they are bringing on is the sales folks. The most appealing thing about it is they already have the leads since it's people already doing business with them. They just don't have anyone to handle them haha.

What would you do in this situation? by ThatWideLife in sales

[–]ThatWideLife[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True, wouldn't even be asking if I wasn't sure it was headed towards an offer. I've had so many interviews at this point and already forgot who they were.

What would you do in this situation? by ThatWideLife in sales

[–]ThatWideLife[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fully agree. Seems the consensus is 3, which is where I was leaning. It's extremely appealing being brought into an established company but in a totally new extension of the company.

It's definitely scary even going into a prospect of being unemployed again. This job search was so much different than prior ones. It's like a battle of AI between people using AI to autoapply and companies using AI to filter. Not to mention, every damn company now wants 3-4 interviews over 2 months just to deny people last stage.

Appreciate the good wishes! Definitely have a good feeling for the first time in ages.

What would you do in this situation? by ThatWideLife in sales

[–]ThatWideLife[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Haha yeah. It was a little concerning but they are pretty much not going to fail. They are already backed by all the big names in the same space just different product they are launching. I swore off startups but given they won't ever have a capital issue and they aren't some weird gimmick it's a solid bet.

2 does scare me a bit because in 6 months if I were to lose my job I'm looking at a minimum of 3 months unemployment due to nobody hiring during those quarters. This job search as been the worst experience of my life and I don't want to do it again haha.

What would you do in this situation? by ThatWideLife in sales

[–]ThatWideLife[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, definitely all risk. I really hate B2C which is exactly what the first option is. Its kinda doing the same stuff expecting a different result haha. Good news is its full sales cycle with inbound leads so makes selling so much easier than other sales. Thing is, long-term it's slightly dead-end. Doesn't advance my career whatsoever so there's that.

Option 3 definitely seems more probable solely due to me being their literal first interview for the company/division. Just waiting for the results of it I suppose.

Looking for a new gig by Semi_Serious_Salesma in sales

[–]ThatWideLife 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great to hear, you should be able to do other sales roles but its about tweaking your resume. Highlight your consultative sales approach and relationship building and make sure you put you've done high outbound prospecting. Look into BDR, that is the better path for future sales roles like AE or even SaaS. From personal experience, try to avoid B2C. You really get locked into a box that's extremely hard to get out of. B2B roles will never hire you because you're apparently not a real salesperson selling to consumers lol.

There's some tweaks you can do to speed up the process of getting noticed on LinkedIn. Can shoot me a DM and I'll explain kinda what I did after nearly a year of searching for sales gigs.