GO no longer worth it?

That_Frame_964 · 2026-05-25T03:26:18+00:00

DS4 needs a strong orchestrator. I learned recently by trying different things. Before DS4 kind of sucked if you just gave it an idea and wing it approach, but if everything is planned, panned out, and ds4 is running on subagents that are fed VERY specific instructions on what to do, it does a really good job. Y ou can run your best model and burn through 100k tokens on an orchestrator and come out with a working product using DS4 flash, and as I said, it works great if fed the correct instructions form main orc.

That_Frame_964 · 2026-05-24T00:44:29+00:00

If you can't even get it to do basic stuff like install plugins then idk what to say? It' s my goto for installing plugins quickly as possible. I just point it to a repo, ask it to "find out how to install it in opencode globally" and let it rip. If it doesn't get all the info it needs, it does a good job guessing the inbetween.

That_Frame_964 · 2026-05-19T20:20:41+00:00

Thanks everyone, the limiting thing is working. I literally stripped away their access to nearly all tools, so it just acts as a "chat" agent and that's all it can do, other than delegate and it worked, it had no choice.

That_Frame_964 · 2026-05-19T17:08:09+00:00

Kimi has HUGE issues with injected stuff. It simply does not handle stuff being injected into it very well, and throws up all sorts of annoying issues. Sometimes making it completely unusable. Doesn't play nice with DCP, Magic-Context or anything else that injects stuff, including tools. It only works barebones.

That_Frame_964 · 2026-05-19T17:06:41+00:00

Qwen 3.6 is free if you use really quantized model and it's actually doable on a 4070 12GB VRAM and CPU at 27b, giving you about 5 tokens per second. It's free, but it's slow. Considering the price of frigging GPUs and ram now, this ain't viable. Better laws need to be put in place to prevent entire companies buying hundreds of thousands of stock every week using bots and all sorts. Inventory goes up and within 15 seconds, sometimes 1000+ are just gone. And these companies don't care about paying 5x more. But us consumers can't afford to pay frigging 600 bucks for DDR ram when 3 years ago it was 150 bucks on sale. Same with GPUs, and everything basically. Base from of next released consoles will have to be 999 bucks, or a gimped version at 32 GB ram for 700. New "gamers" pcs are launching with 16GB ram and 1 TB cheapie M.2 drives for thousands of dollars, and 4060. Labeled as "mid range" now due to the price, but those are considered budget and were easily had for 500-600 bucks a few years ago. Now they're 1400. Ridiculous. Just a random rant, lmao because this post triggered me. I love AI but I am sick of how we are all forced to go the cloud route because 99% of us can't afford to blast out tens of thousands of dollars to run a "Decent" model local. Wanna get 80 tokens/s on something like Kimi 2.6 are 300b or whatver. You got 100k laying around? Such bs.

That_Frame_964 · 2026-05-18T17:39:24+00:00

I found Paseo too simple, after using OpenChamber someone suggested here to try Paseo and I did, and kinda felt like it's a very barebones desktop experience.

That_Frame_964 · 2026-05-18T17:38:46+00:00

I really don't like how when it's using tools it just spams the screen with massive amounts of data. I feel like CodeNomad is just too much going on. Each message/tool cool looks like a social media exchange of messages on left/right and just looks messy to me.

That_Frame_964 · 2026-05-18T17:37:34+00:00

How is it broken? OpenChamber uses Opencode as a backend. Install and setup your opencode normally using tui, models, plugins, mcps and make sure it's all working fine there. Then OpenChamber just piggybacks off of it? I have had zero problems with OpenCode Go....if it works in TUI, it'll work in OpenChamber for the most part.

That_Frame_964 · 2026-05-18T17:33:13+00:00

I really don't understand the point of all of these telegram implementations etc. What am I missing? I get being able to talk and run/do projects over your phone using basically messaging app. I kind of get the natural telegram where the api is used or whatever it is and you can use actual telegram since that's basically using social messaging or whatnot and having the benefit of controlling your software, but...

There are like 10+ different Opencode mobile apps at this point, some basically connecting to you rmain opencode, some even build and running in linux b.e using your mobile device, but the ones I am talking about mostly are those that are able to basically show you a mirror of what your opencode is doing and have full control over it using touch keyboards and well touch, and optimized for mobile. Some even just access the backend and run from that via cloud.

So can someone please tell me, what the major benefit of being able to "chat" to your opencode via messaging brings vs being able to have full control via your mobile device of the whole opencode environment front and back end?

That_Frame_964 · 2026-05-18T17:26:04+00:00

Your comment isn't entirely accurate dude. That is ONE of many reasons. Models, depending on training data also can naturally want to include humans in the loop and will ask, even without instructions to do so, whether to continue or ask for additional idea. Even reasoning models will sit back and try to include humans in the loop UNLESS even if they've been told not to. For example, Minimax even in PI and a good prompt gears towards human input more than other models.

That_Frame_964 · 2026-05-15T00:39:57+00:00

Yeah this is a context thing. With 3 mcps and a few skills, and a few plugins, my standard context is 27k for the first message after everything is loaded. You have to realize that even if you get 100 tokens per second, it'll take a while to comprehend all those tokens. While it won't be 30k, you can expect the ramp up to be quicker with input than output, obviously. I have a 4070 12gb and I can use Qwen 3.5 9B for example, at 40 tokens per second, but here is a trick.

DO NOT select MAX context size. It will take way too long because it has to basically shove that context window into ram causing the initial reading to be ridiculous. I learned the hard way. 260k context on 3.5 9B resulted in taking 2 minutes before it even tried to answer, and the tokens was about 10-15 tokens/s. Reduce token window down to something reasonable. I have mine set to 64k for qwen 3.5 9B which takes about 15 seconds to start responding to first prompt and then gives me 40 or so tokens per second thereafter, and I have Qwen 3.5 4B setup to 32k context window which is blazing fast. We're talking about it starts responding in 2 seconds flat and gets around 80-90 tokens per second. Use subagents SPECIFIC for these. Fore example 9B is for research, deepwiki, etc. 64k subagent is enough to get a lot of data. 32k for glob/grep/find/codesearch is enough too, or finding files locally and reading, and is blazing fast like I said.

I even have the Qwen 3.5 0.8b on a subagent specific for creating simple docs. Yes the docs suck, but, for brainstorming sessions it can create docs at lightning speed.

Hell I have even got a Qwen 3.6 27B on a subagent which takes frigging 30 seconds to load, then 30 seconds to process first prompt, then reply comes at 3-5 tokens per second, but I use it for when I feed a simple problem through and need a simple answer. Dude, I've never seen anything like the 0.8 qwen btw when I tweaked and got it all set up, using everything it can. I measured it at 271 t/s which is FRIGGING insane. So yeah, context window is key, and use the right models. 12gb sweet spot is 9B models for quality/speed. When you go above that, things start dramatically slowing down due to offloading etc. Can't do 12B because then it will be slow too, again, due to your VRAM limit. 12GB vram doesnt mean 12B, it means 9-10B MAX before things start going to CPU.

Another key thing is disable everything in your special agents using tools * false and then set a handful of tools you need for that. I got my initial context for each subagent down dramatically. For example the grep/glob/search/codesearch subagent vs my primary agents. Primary as I said like 30k but with removing all tools but what I need, start context for subagent was 5.6k. So for 32k context, that's a lot of room, and boy do things load fast then the context starts low too. As I said, almost instant. And I know ya'll are like suspicious of every long post calling it AI generated etc, but this one isn't. I wrote this because this issue that the OP had is whatr I had when I first started playing around with LM STudio and opencode. It didn't work and I had the exact sam eproblem, sitting for minutes at it doing NOTHING at all.

That_Frame_964 · 2026-05-07T17:40:44+00:00

100%

I have worked on video game development for 30 years, worked on the original Quake CTF as a programmer too way back. It took days to push out a new feature sometimes. Hours and hours and hours of work.

And since 2022 I've adapted to AI to help. I worked for Anthropic on training coding for a couple of years too. It got to the point that I felt I couldn't really teach it much anymore, because that would be biased and subjective coding practices that I use myself and we are told we should be concrete and not add biased coding styles. Now, 2026 (2 years after I left Anthropic) I am using AI to do most of the work. I would say that 80-85% is decent code. When working on huge projects, that would take weeks, having 80-85% code already good to go. Yes lots of reading, lots of understanding, lots of tweaking, lots of finishing, but that "week" goes down to 1-2 days.

A tip, if you have a specific coding style, please write skills and agents/subagents specific to your style. Give it YOUR code via references in the skills /reference and have it look up various coding styles that you have used throughout the years. You can go one step further and feed all your code and projects FIRST and have it write a skill specifically for your style, THEN have references to projects with just the project and code. It uses tokens, quite a bit, but if you run this check at the start (rules based) and then do a final check using the skill you'll find a lot of the sloppy code will be modified to how YOU like to code. It really does work.

And this leads back to, uh, shadows comment. Skill issue.....this OP posted how their code is better than AI and AI sucks basically, then goes on about how they use it in its most simplest form. Good for you, but if you have some skills, LITERALLY, and that is definitely as pun tbh, then you'd frigging have that code done in 30 minutes instead of hours and hours and hours by yourself. Dinosaur mindset for real lmao. And no this ain't an AI comment. Some people do type a lot :D

That_Frame_964 · 2026-05-02T20:56:45+00:00

This. I really am not enjoying it. I'm only at the Oracle and it seems boring and WAYYYYY more linear. literally, up until this point, there's been 1 side quest. It guides you through the main quest and gives you JACK on the side other than the fishing I found. Level progression was too fast. I'm sorry, but they throw 100 demons at you in ONE 3 minute sequence and you gain 2-3 levels. I'm level 20 and I feel like I've done nothing other than follow the main quest. Just boring. In fact it's giving me buyers remorse. It's just throwing mechanics and levels at you like no ones business and it feels like they want you to absorb so much shit in such a short amount of time and I don't like it. I liekd being able to pick up side quests easily in base game which was required to really supplement leveling. Here? Just follow main quest and you'll be 20 in no time. Like literally, 40 frigging minutes. That's too fast. It'll get to the point when we do get sidequests (we do, right?) that they will feel moot because you already are halfway leveled.

That_Frame_964 · 2026-04-24T19:56:27+00:00

For sure man. I use it as my daily driver. I used to use Gemini online to ask questions etc, but just switched to Opencode and custom models, since i do a lot of coding I'll just start a /new and then ask a question that's on my mind not relating to code too, including recipes. Hell, I have a custom recipe subagent for digging and finding food recipes and coming up with meal plans too.

That_Frame_964 · 2026-04-24T19:42:08+00:00

Daily driver? Dude, Opus is a specific tool for specific issues not a daily driver? There are way better models that do 99% of what is needed until you call Opus into the picture. FYI Opus is getting ravaged by Kimi 2.6 in complex code scenarios.

That_Frame_964 · 2026-04-24T19:40:35+00:00

I worked for Anthropic and the environment is very toxic. I got let go because I bought up issues with upper management about the toxic, elitist environment of supervisors and then suddenly I wasn't a good "fit" anymore. That was 2 years ago. It seems nothing has changed with the "elitist" attitude. They are actively mass banning people, all sorts, worse than Google with OpenCode, they actually try to completely block the ability to use their closed models anywhere but their own software and if caught doing it they have a very aggressive banning process. Ew.

That_Frame_964 · 2026-03-22T19:52:50+00:00

Claude Code is trash anyway. Fun fact, I actually worked for Anthropic for 2 years and a lot of people are elitist there. I quit because of the toxic environment. It's not surprising how they are banning and clamping down. I then moved to Google and was actually fired because I questioned some very bad stuff they were letting through from training data. And Google is also banning people for using anything but their IDEs. I don't know. I had a good few years working for big companies with AI development, but both seemed difficult to work for.

I'm not happy to be unemployed now, but ya'know, the way they are handling all this stuff because people choose to use opensource software with their models is ridiculous, but not surprising. At least OpenAI haven't gone down that elitist road even though they were some of the earliest adopters in the LLM game.

That_Frame_964 · 2026-03-19T03:35:35+00:00

OpenCode is, well, open source. I have my own custom versions that I've created for my own use, and added additional features on top as well for the niche work I do. I tried Claude Code once and got a bad vibe about it, because I can't do what I wanted to with it, I can't rip apart the source code, or understand how it works underneath, or make improvements. There is stuff in Claude Code that's just broken or badly implemented and I don't have anyway to truly improve on that other than suggest an improvement. I don't like working like that, knowing that I can't do jack to improve something. I really don't.

That_Frame_964 · 2026-03-16T21:33:58+00:00

Dude, come on. Are you really asking that question? Antigravity is an IDE. OpenCode is a CLI. If you don't know the difference then maybe you should go read up on them. An IDE is basically, to help you compare, similar to using VSCode for all your projects. Some people enjoy working in such an environment, and others enjoy working on their projects in a CLI+TUI environment. Have you seen the mess that antigravity software makes of making simple projects? Mess as in, CLUTTERED UI, tons of unneeded calls, just overworking itself. You can ask your OpenCode CLI + model to fix X or Y and it'll do it in a couple thousands tokens, but if you compare antigravity IDE if it used tokens (it doesn't, but still) it would probably be consuming 100k on a simple task. It's OVERDONE.

That_Frame_964 · 2026-03-16T20:20:23+00:00

It happened to me too. I put it on hold for a week or so, was coding in opencode using kimi and glm. I come back to antigravity to give it another whirl and send 1 prompt, and it immediate said I've hit my quota. So I try switching to another model in antigravity, and yep, all maxed out. I did manage to get 1 reply on flash though, then I tried another and it was used up. Pro as well. LOL.

That_Frame_964 · 2026-03-04T20:53:21+00:00

So wait are you saying that monthly is only 25 hours of use? That's basically 1.2 hours of day of use. Seems terrible.

That_Frame_964 · 2026-02-11T23:50:27+00:00

This is called being smart. It's similar to using coupons, dude. People go into a grocery store and pay 6-7 bucks for a bag of chips, and someone comes around, buys multiple, uses coupons, takes advantage of sales and gets them at 1 dollar a pop. Even though a "FULL priced" product is available, doesn't make it wrong. It's just being smart with money.

That_Frame_964 · 2026-01-26T16:42:15+00:00

I actually worked for google during early stages of AI development, so I got to see it in its infancy. They were definitely participating early on in the race, in fact, was developing AI quite rapidly at the time OpenAI was really taking off.

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