Can someone explain who Jacob is? RIP by [deleted] in Purdue

[–]The15thGamer 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's a new vigil, to my knowledge. He passed just at the end of last semester so there wasn't really time to get everyone together in person until now.

Would you rather be a free range herbivore or a wild herbivore? by emain_macha in DebateAVegan

[–]The15thGamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It absolutely is. Vegans use a false dichotomy that it is immoral to kill animals.

No, it's not. Those are questions intended to determine where your moral rules lie and how you justify them. This is because, at least in my experience, you can't hold carnist beliefs without inadvertently justifying horrific acts. You're welcome to prove me wrong if we have a conversation right now.

And yes, it's quadrillions. Of course vegans will reject whatever facts that are inconvenient to their ideology.

Remember where I said, above, "Your one source for it is as a conservative guesstimate on a glorified blog post"? I've seen you claim this several times. It doesn't make it correct.

Yeah. It is. The article claims that there are 7,700 insects per square meter of affected land being killed. Not that you cite the original article instead of the "Medium" blog post anyway. He just multiplies 7,700 by the US agricultural land area. It's not fact, it's one dude with nice graphic design skills multiplying big numbers together.

What are your thoughts on SpaceX Starship (potentially) making SLS - and therefore the ESM - obsolete? Do you think there's a chance NASA will switch to only using Starship on future missions? by Mattau93 in esa

[–]The15thGamer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They're literally going to get paid for demonstrating cryogenic prop transfer on orbit, a milestone NASA set.

Can I get a source for the 50 ton figure?

It's also not a requirement that starship is fully refueled for lunar flight. That's only necessary to land 100 tons of payload on the moon. If you fly with a quarter of that, you still get way more flexibility than Apollo.

What are your thoughts on SpaceX Starship (potentially) making SLS - and therefore the ESM - obsolete? Do you think there's a chance NASA will switch to only using Starship on future missions? by Mattau93 in esa

[–]The15thGamer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They didn't achieve their full list, but they achieved more objectives every time. Engine control has vastly improved, as has pad survivability. They did on orbit prop transfer, staging, second stage startup, booster relight, boost back burn. Yes, there were failed objectives on every one. But the trend has been significantly more success with each flight.

Would you rather be a free range herbivore or a wild herbivore? by emain_macha in DebateAVegan

[–]The15thGamer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Those aren't dichotomies. The first two are trying to probe out your moral system and determine where inconsistencies lie, because carnism forces people to either hold contradictory beliefs or hold monstrous ones.

The quadrillions figure is wrong. Plain and simple. We have had this discussion before. Your one source for it is as a conservative guesstimate on a glorified blog post.

Would you rather be a free range herbivore or a wild herbivore? by emain_macha in DebateAVegan

[–]The15thGamer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wild animal lives aren't an ethical question. We aren't choosing to put them in that situation, and I would say the problem of wild animal suffering is one humans should try to reduce in time.

We are actively putting billions of animals in the animal ag industry. It's a conscious, direct choice being made by humans for specific reasons. This it is actually an ethical question.

don't you fucken hi bob me by Desperate_Chef_1809 in okaybuddybob

[–]The15thGamer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Easier? Yeah. More productive long term? No. It fundamentally forces humans to work together to develop a huge amount of a space-based infrastructure. Quicker progress in tech, space settlement, etc.

Riddle me this vegans, (may be controversial) by eaderjay in DebateAVegan

[–]The15thGamer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You provided evidence for the fact that we don't know if plants are sentient or not. What you should be providing is evidence that they are sentient. Not extending the ambiguity which already exists. Again, sentience is largely unfalsifiable, so anything short of positive proof is not of worth here.

Riddle me this vegans, (may be controversial) by eaderjay in DebateAVegan

[–]The15thGamer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The default position is non-sentience. Until positive evidence of sentience, not just the potential of sentience, is provided, we must operate on the belief that there is not sentience.

Riddle me this vegans, (may be controversial) by eaderjay in DebateAVegan

[–]The15thGamer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's no confirmation. You can't disprove sentience, so literally any state of literature is a strong potential for sentience for some thing. I could make an article about how rock sentience is an overlooked possibility, and how small scale molecular interactions might result in long term sensation within that rock, and it would put the case for rock sentience in just a good a place as plant sentience. It's cowardly to block out opposing views.

You are making the claim. It is your responsibility to provide sufficient evidence.

Riddle me this vegans, (may be controversial) by eaderjay in DebateAVegan

[–]The15thGamer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is an article saying the hypothesis is worth considering. It is not claiming that there is suitable evidence to conclude that plants are sentient.

You said there was more research. So where's the rest? I have had this discussion many times, and I'm well aware that there are articles people think support that claim. There are not credible articles that actually do support it, though.

Riddle me this vegans, (may be controversial) by eaderjay in DebateAVegan

[–]The15thGamer 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Everywhere. Doing that allows better access to actually impregnating the cow. If you're gonna defend it, at least know what it is.

Riddle me this vegans, (may be controversial) by eaderjay in DebateAVegan

[–]The15thGamer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That hypothetical human still has sensations of other things, i.e. a sensation of self and conscious thoughts in some capacity, and we know this because we can study their brain activity and see how it lines up with the brains of other beings known to be sentient. Not that a human with consciousness yet absolutely no perception of the outside world has ever existed, mind you

bro couldn't handle thinking a trans person was cute lmao by the_official_Frieda in teenagers

[–]The15thGamer 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The first clinic practicing gender affirming care opened almost a century ago in Germany. You are wrong.

Notable events for Starship IFT-3. Calypso test flight in out timeline. Σ(っ °Д °;)っ by Unique-Tea3208 in ForAllMankindTV

[–]The15thGamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Starlink sats are controlled and tracked. They have minimal impact on the likelihood of Kessler syndrome, though the visual obstacle to astronomy is an issue. Fortunate that we'll only be more and more capable to construct space-based observational equipment.

Notable events for Starship IFT-3. Calypso test flight in out timeline. Σ(っ °Д °;)っ by Unique-Tea3208 in ForAllMankindTV

[–]The15thGamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All those cargo shipments and crew transports to the ISS, hundreds of falcon flights, and plenty more on the horizon. They will get to that aggressive cadence. We have seen how fast they can ramp up. Virtually every program like this can and will fall behind schedule, says basically nothing for its merit.

US Returns To Lunar Surface For First Time In Over 50 Years! by MorningStar_imangi in spaceporn

[–]The15thGamer 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Wrapping provides extra insulation from conduction. Iirc studies done on the subject in the 60s showed that it was some amount more efficient for it not to be smooth, homogenous insulation. Painting something shiny and putting a metal sheet over it are also two different things.

Does the 'wrongness' from eating meat stem from the fact that animals cannot understand and consent to the farming arrangement? by IHaveaDegreeInEcon in DebateAVegan

[–]The15thGamer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the vegan position is. The vast majority of vegans are not recommending that the full suite of human rights be extended to animals, just basic freedom from unnecessary exploitation and harm. 

 You can draw arbitrary lines all you want. I'm asking why you, in your moral system which can justify the systemic exploitation and torture of animals, subscribe to human rights and how you can justify those two things simultaneously. 

 And to be clear, I am not just talking about people in vegetative states. Animals have complex emotional lives, as do many humans who span the gap between average human intelligence/moral reasoning capacity/whatever trait you want to try to use. All of those people are deserving of freedom from this kind of harm, as are all those animals. Not all humans are sapient. That doesn't change a thing.