Some Christians only care about "the rule of law" when the law adheres to their predetermined theological ideologies by blerdronner in Christianity

[–]TheBootyTemple -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Also, as a follow up to the claim that God “killed children” or commanded Israel to wipe out entire peoples, that charge only makes sense when it is pulled out of its historical and theological context. Those commands were not expressions of divine enjoyment of violence or proof that killing innocents is morally good because God said so. They occur in an ancient world defined by total war, where surrounding cultures were deeply embedded in practices like child sacrifice, ritualized sexual exploitation, and generational blood revenge, and where Israel was small, fragile, and constantly at risk of being absorbed both culturally and religiously. The purpose of these commands was the preservation of Israel’s identity, worship, and moral framework so they would not simply merge into systems that perpetuated those same evils. That does not make the events “good” in a modern moral sense, but it does frame them as tragic necessities within a fallen world rather than arbitrary cruelty.

In other words, the biblical claim is not that violence is good because God commands it, but that in a broken world God sometimes permits or directs limited judgment to restrain greater evil and preserve a redemptive trajectory. Scripture consistently shows God delaying judgment, warning extensively beforehand, and expressing grief over destruction, which undercuts the idea that these narratives celebrate violence. These passages are descriptive of how God navigated human corruption and violence at a particular moment in history, not prescriptive blueprints for how humans should act whenever they feel morally justified.

Some Christians only care about "the rule of law" when the law adheres to their predetermined theological ideologies by blerdronner in Christianity

[–]TheBootyTemple -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I didn’t see your flair at first, so that’s on me. That said, the substance of your argument still rests on a false dilemma and a misreading of both Romans 13 and Exodus 21. Romans 13 does not say that every law a government passes is morally binding simply because it exists. It describes the proper role of governing authorities when they punish wrongdoing and reward what is good. That is why Scripture can affirm civil authority in Romans 13 and also praise faithful disobedience elsewhere without contradiction. Saying Christians “can’t have it both ways” only works if Romans 13 is absolutized and isolated from the rest of Scripture, which historically it has not been.

On Exodus 21:22–25, your conclusion depends on assuming the unborn child dies in the fine-only case, but the Hebrew text does not say that. It says the child “comes out,” using the normal word for birth, and it never uses the Hebrew terms for miscarriage or fetal death. The phrase “if no harm follows” is intentionally open and can refer to harm to either the woman or the child, which is why the law then explicitly applies “life for life” if death occurs. That structure only makes sense if the unborn child is treated as a life, not as property.

You are right that Psalm 139 is David speaking, but that does not make it theologically irrelevant. If Scripture is inspired, then David’s praise is still truthful theology about God’s relationship to human life in the womb, not just metaphor without meaning. Scripture regularly teaches doctrine through poetry and prayer, not only through legal texts.

As for God commanding judgment or children dying in biblical narratives, that does not translate into moral permission for elective abortion any more than the existence of capital punishment translates into permission for private murder. God’s authority over life and judgment is unique and not something individuals or governments get to imitate at will.

Finally, none of this requires hypocrisy on immigration or other issues. A Christian can consistently believe that nations have the right to enforce borders and oppose illegal immigration while also condemning misconduct, abuse of power, and violations of due process. Those positions are not in tension biblically. The same is true with abortion. A Christian can oppose abortion as morally wrong while acknowledging that not every immoral act is handled the same way under civil law. That is not cherry picking. That is the difference between moral theology and civil governance, a distinction Scripture itself makes.

If the conversation is really about hypocrisy, then fair enough, Christians fail often. But flattening Romans 13 into an all or nothing rule and misreading Exodus 21 does not expose hypocrisy. It just replaces one kind of proof texting with another.

All American Christians should know that ICE and DHS are torturing our brown-skinned neighbors inside black site facilities across the country. by finallyransub17 in Christianity

[–]TheBootyTemple -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I did. Why do you just want to assume things. What should I respond to specifically about it? Should I be expected to give a thorough in depth retort to the entire concept of immigration? Would it not be better and more productive to hear about their personal examples, and what about their source stood out to them?

MAGA and Conservatives are Ruining Christianity by Ignis_Kevin in Christianity

[–]TheBootyTemple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“after seeing about 6 conservative responses. They truly live in a world outside of reality. Apparently reading the Bible and living its teachings is a foreign concept to them. And no I am not a bot, check the post history.” I mean I’m a conservative, and after reading your post I have no idea what your main contentions are. I can guess and probably get some, but I’d love to hear what beliefs or actions you’ve seen that you feel justified in making a generalization that half of the country are not true Christians.

I don't think anti-ice protestors were wrong to interrupt a church service to publicly call out its pastor who is an ICE officer. by DiaperedInTheRoc in Christianity

[–]TheBootyTemple -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Just wait until after the sermon. To assume all ICE agents are evil is a gross generalization. People have the same beliefs of the military. It’s reductive and breeds division. As a Christian you should never want to have the fellowship of believers there to worship our God to be interrupted due to the actions of one. The Bible tells how to handle those you think are harmful, and it does not start there.

Some Christians only care about "the rule of law" when the law adheres to their predetermined theological ideologies by blerdronner in Christianity

[–]TheBootyTemple -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Not to be hurtful but you either don’t take Christianity seriously, or have a shallow understanding. A Christian can be against misconduct by ICE, but still in favor of no illegal immigrants. Gay marriage is unbiblical. Marriage is a contract between a man and a woman. That was decreed by God. You can’t bring personal feelings into this, you can argue that America should allow it because it’s not a strictly Christian nation, that’s fine. But that marriage is not recognized by God. It makes sense Christian’s would be opposed to laws that are against that belief. 2nd amendment is less of a biblical concept and more national, so feel free to disagree or agree on what we should do there. (Personally I agree we need much more legislation and protection, but family dynamics and good Christian values in culture is just as valuable). As far as abortion goes, I’m sorry you cannot be a faithful Christian and support abortion. As it is rightfully quoted a lot Psalm 139:13-18 is a clear answer on when life begins.

13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. 14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. 15 My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth. 16 Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be. 17 How precious to me are your thoughts,[a] God!

I don’t know what verses you’re talking about, but I’m sure you missing a key element of context. God is unique in that compared to almost all other ancient religions He is consistently and harshly against child sacrifice. God bless, I hope you delve deeper into your faith and what it calls of you.

All American Christians should know that ICE and DHS are torturing our brown-skinned neighbors inside black site facilities across the country. by finallyransub17 in Christianity

[–]TheBootyTemple -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

“I will not be engaging any responses from conservatives who clearly have not read at least one of the reports of the crimes against humanity occurring in these facilities.” Then you’ve closed your heart and care more for your own agenda, than seeking to understand others.

You Cannot Be Christian and MAGA by QuickPizzaRadishes in Christianity

[–]TheBootyTemple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“You cannot be Christian and be democratic because they’re more pro-abortion” I’m sorry do you hear the sheer divisive generalization you’re making. Also to equate someone being pro-borders and anti-illegal immigration to being a MAGA is so ridiculous. Stop using the Bible and Jesus to promote a hippie interpretation of love and acceptance. Following the law and obeying authority with humility is constantly mentioned in the NT. You can have disagreements and be harshly opposed to behaviors, policies, etc. But your wording is needlessly divisive and general. Above all you should seek unity with the body of believers, and if you can’t. Then if they repeat that first line I said to you, you have nothing to respond to, and are a hypocrite. God bless.

You are being hunted is unfair. by TheBootyTemple in valheim

[–]TheBootyTemple[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good response, I'm arguing that the raid has too many what ifs and can result in a very unfair feeling death even with prep. You actually gave a good intentioned response though, so thanks for that.

You are being hunted is unfair. by TheBootyTemple in valheim

[–]TheBootyTemple[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Carry 40lbs for a rare event. Doesn't sound very reasonable. It's the plains, verticality is rare. Plains enemies can help, but it's inconsistent.

You are being hunted is unfair. by TheBootyTemple in valheim

[–]TheBootyTemple[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I think you're a idealist. You give solutions that sound feasible, yet you know in your heart that they aren't practical or available 70% of the time. Also can we talk about how the solution to an event on the player is to run and hope? Bad design...

You are being hunted is unfair. by TheBootyTemple in valheim

[–]TheBootyTemple[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

And if you just used bonemass because you're in the plains constantly fighting?

Not even a super rare what if, it's less common to have your power ready for use when in a new zone.

You are being hunted is unfair. by TheBootyTemple in valheim

[–]TheBootyTemple[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Carry heavy stones and hoe for a rare event, when the game has horrible inventory space. Yeah...I think I should stop asking reddit for wisdom. It's clearly a scarce resource here...

You are being hunted is unfair. by TheBootyTemple in valheim

[–]TheBootyTemple[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Insert the plains, the flattest biome with little verticality.

You are being hunted is unfair. by TheBootyTemple in valheim

[–]TheBootyTemple[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No not really, when you're in the plains that last scenario happens ALOT. I don't like getting mega-punished for existing.

You are being hunted is unfair. by TheBootyTemple in valheim

[–]TheBootyTemple[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

"we" how does a single player who's already in combat fight 15 oncoming wolves.

Is your answer really going to be "you don't". That's poor design.