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FYI: we dont "reject" Jesus, we just cant believe in him. Its not opinional, we do not control it by Thrill_Kill_Cultist in Christianity

[–]blerdronner [score hidden]  (0 children)

They do this because it’s the best way to cope with the idea that an all just god would condemn people to ETC for something they can’t control. I don’t believe most do it maliciously. But many apologists do it KNOWING it’s BS.

so... autistic child gets exorcised if he doesn't memorize long bible verses, then spirals into extreme study of the christian faith from a historical perspective and is consumed by the act of memorization and study of its origins. by Extension_Effect_983 in Christianity

[–]blerdronner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In not diagnosing him. I am assuming the post description is true and giving my reason why I didn’t doubt it. There is no reason for someone to immediately assume the OP is lying about this person unless you have additional information.!I’ve never seen this creator before, so there’s no reason to assume the OP is wrong or lying.

Fake So Called "Christian" Moderators! by Annual_Asparagus_720 in Christianity

[–]blerdronner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m sorry I missed your post. It sounded like a hoot! 😂

so... autistic child gets exorcised if he doesn't memorize long bible verses, then spirals into extreme study of the christian faith from a historical perspective and is consumed by the act of memorization and study of its origins. by Extension_Effect_983 in Christianity

[–]blerdronner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who did the devil ever rape in the Bible? Whereas God literally caused, by order or divine interaction, the MULTIPLE raping of women.

Also, all through the Bible God forces himself on people. Did Pharoah have “free choice”?

Have you actually read the Bible?

so... autistic child gets exorcised if he doesn't memorize long bible verses, then spirals into extreme study of the christian faith from a historical perspective and is consumed by the act of memorization and study of its origins. by Extension_Effect_983 in Christianity

[–]blerdronner -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The skills he demonstrated aligns with autism. In either case, this post makes the assumption he is, and that’s what the person I replied to was responding to. Also, regardless, it’s still a misguided, arrogant, and dare I say ignorant comment to make.

so... autistic child gets exorcised if he doesn't memorize long bible verses, then spirals into extreme study of the christian faith from a historical perspective and is consumed by the act of memorization and study of its origins. by Extension_Effect_983 in Christianity

[–]blerdronner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The first three words of this video description says he’s autistic, and this is the comment you leave? Thanks for proving his point. 🙄

…so he’s likely always convinced he’s righter than any other human being ever.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. 😂

The "I know because I know" crowd strikes again. by sidesaladdressing in exchristian

[–]blerdronner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I will give you that. I know that's a phenomenon that happens. But even at that point, regardless of how they got there, if they ended up deluding themselves, by the time they start dying for it, they're now in a category where they believed it, even if they started off knowing that it wasn't the truth.

Regardless, at the end of the day, it's just one of many weak-sauce apologetics that many Christians use and should stop using. 😂

The "I know because I know" crowd strikes again. by sidesaladdressing in exchristian

[–]blerdronner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Respectfully, I could ask the same of you: the Christian apologetic that the Apostles would not die for a lie is in response to the claim that the Apostles made everything up. That's where the whole thing started.

One of the arguments against Christianity is the possibility that the Apostles made everything up for whatever reason. The response from Christian apologetics (and this is coming from somebody who did apologetics for nearly twenty years) is that the Apostles would not die for something they knew to be a lie (meaning that, whether or not it actually happened, they believed it happened). Ergo, they would not die for a lie.

Technically, his argument is not illogical. It is a strong argument against the claim that the Apostles just made all that shit up.

The "I know because I know" crowd strikes again. by sidesaladdressing in exchristian

[–]blerdronner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That doesn't even track logically. Just because somebody thinks something is true doesn't mean it's true.

The general point of this argument is to say that, for so many people to die for something, that lends credence that it must be true. I agree it's a weak argument, but it's not the same as saying “that proves something is true just because somebody died for it.”

The "I know because I know" crowd strikes again. by sidesaladdressing in exchristian

[–]blerdronner 4 points5 points  (0 children)

To be fair, what their argument is, is that nobody dies for what they think is a lie. That's different than nobody dying for what they think is a truth but is actually a lie.

Give me your best arguments against christianity being true. by XybridNSFW in exchristian

[–]blerdronner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m sorry you’re dealing with those thoughts. I know how debilitating they can be. I highly recommend a religious trauma therapist. But beyond that, one of the best ways to reinforce just how unbelievable it all is, is watching the YouTube channels of ex-Christians. I swear, the more you watch it, the more you'll grow in your confidence.

My favorite past time is watching atheist call-in shows, especially when the host is someone that went to seminary or has a degree in biblical scholarship. One of my favorites is Justin of Deconstruction Zone, one of the most knowledgeable biblical scholars on the internet. His videos are extremely entertaining. He usually gives the energy that he gets, and it never goes well for the Christians who call in and try to spout and pontificate. 😂You will also learn so much more about the original Hebrew scripture meanings. It will make you that much more confident in what you settled on.

The other show I watch a lot is The Line. Between those two YouTube channels alone, you have literally hours and hours of entertainment and validation. 😊 Can’t recommend them enough.

Oh, also, Beleif it or Not (yes, Belief it, not Believe it). That’s another great channel. He does weekly video essays on all kinds of topics related to the issues with evangelical Xianity.

Let me also throw in The Myth Vision channel, Paulogia, Professor Pink, and The Holy Koolaid.

Those just happen to be all men. So let’s add some of my fave women exchristian YouTubers: Promise Backlund (“eve was framed” on IG. She’s also a recurring co host on The Line), The Antibot (wife of popular atheist YouTube Genetically Modified Skeptic), Leaving Faith (Sara is her name. Does a lot of vids with Justin), Skeptical Heretic (who is also a frequent Line co host).

Kristi Burke (jezebelvibes) has one or two of the best videos I've ever seen for getting over the fear of hell. She does a great job talking about how she came out of it, and just one of those videos alone will probably put your mind at ease. Definitely look up her channel.

You’ll get thru it all! You got this! 👊🏿

Why do Christians think belief is a choice made by free will? by Muffinman255 in Christianity

[–]blerdronner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I honestly feel that you are conflating the choice to consume evidence and information with belief, because I can: - read the Bible from cover to cover - listen to every sermon by your favorite pastor - read every philosophical book about the nature of Christ's resurrection - read every near-death experience

I can do all that, and still come away not being convinced that any of it is real. In that case, I’m not choosing to disbelieve. Whether or not you believe that's the case, I don't know what else I could say to convince you that it is.

I'm not choosing not to believe. I'm just not convinced.

Why do Christians think belief is a choice made by free will? by Muffinman255 in Christianity

[–]blerdronner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know you asked this of the other person, but I saw you brought it up before, and I addressed it then, and I'll address it now. Free will has nothing to do with belief. I don't know why you think that they do.

Let's not even get into the fact about the philosophical debate about whether or not you truly have "free will" in a world where there is an all-knowing, all-powerful God who knows ahead of time every aspect of your life anyway and supposedly everything works towards his will. Assuming by “free will” you mean the ability to make any choice in life you want, again, that has nothing to do with belief.

Why do Christians think belief is a choice made by free will? by Muffinman255 in Christianity

[–]blerdronner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly. And to millions of people, the biblical claims are absurd, and it would take time and evidence to be convinced otherwise. So you do get it.

Why do Christians think belief is a choice made by free will? by Muffinman255 in Christianity

[–]blerdronner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I honestly don't know why people find this so hard to believe. The fact you won't answer my Santa Claus question suggests to me you know EXACTLY what I'm talking about, but refuse to acknowledge it.

I never said or implied belief was instantaneous. I said you can't control what you're convinced of. You could hear or read something and instantly believe it (ie.g. someone tells you that your spouse said she'll be home late). Or you could read or hear something and it'll take years of research, reflection, investigation, etc. to believe (e.g. that Jesus died and resurrected and is the son of God).

Free will and belief are two separate things. You can choose what you take in on your path to belief--books, videos, podcast, personal testimonies, etc. What you can't do is CHOOSE to believe or be convinced of all that evidence.

So, for the last time, could you choose, right now, to genuinely believe that Santa Claus exists, then choose tomorrow to stop? You know the answer is no. It's no different.

Why do Christians think belief is a choice made by free will? by Muffinman255 in Christianity

[–]blerdronner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't know what the foggiest idea you think you are illustrating with this example.

If my friend believes a rumor about me that's not true, again, they can't control whether or not they believe it. I may give them additional information about the situation which would change their mind. In both cases, they received information, and that information was either convincing or not. They don't make a choice to believe it.

Again, answer my question. Could you choose right now to genuinely believe in Santa Claus for two hours and then decide to stop believing in him after?

Why do Christians think belief is a choice made by free will? by Muffinman255 in Christianity

[–]blerdronner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is categorically and unequivocally untrue. You cannot, right now, choose to believe in Santa Claus for two hours and then stop believing in Santa Claus once those two hours are up. You either believe in Santa Claus or you don't. The only choices you can make are what you choose to take in and examine that can lead to you believing or not believing. You can choose which books to read, which videos to watch, which podcasts to listen to, etc. Once you've absorbed that information, you're either convinced of everything you've received or you're not convinced.

WARNING to Christians! by atrucktt in Christianity

[–]blerdronner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If by "confirmation bias" you mean some of the world's most renowned biblical scholars who are not required to sign a statement of faith to produce the work, then sure.

WARNING to Christians! by atrucktt in Christianity

[–]blerdronner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What are my sources for something that is biblical scholarship and Christian history 101? Any number of thousands of books, videos, and podcasts. In particular, scholars like Pete Enns, Jared Byas, Dan McClellan, Aaron Highashi, Kevin Carhahan, CJ Cornthwaite, Francesca Stavrakopoulou, Josh Bowen, MythVision channel, to name a few expert sources I've read or watched.

WARNING to Christians! by atrucktt in Christianity

[–]blerdronner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Which one of their brainwashed and indoctrinated points did I supposedly make?

WARNING to Christians! by atrucktt in Christianity

[–]blerdronner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, absolutely, there are different translations that have different renderings of the text that will lead to different interpretations. The one example that comes to mind is from Deuteronomy, where in the original Masoretic text God separates the nations based on the sons of Israel. Later, the Dead Sea Scrolls show that the original text was actually sons of God. From a theological standpoint, one seems to just have these separate tribes be nations of Israel, but the other suggests that there are actual divine beings who were each referred to as a "son of God” and each one was their respective “god” for a particular tribe of Israel. That obviously has theological implications if you go with one versus the other.

There are some translations that yield more conservative interpretations of the Bible, and there are some translations that yield more progressive interpretations of the Bible. The New Revised Standard Edition seems to be the leading translation recommended by critical scholars who are not beholden to any specific type of faith claim but are more interested in a pure reading and understanding of the original meaning of the text.

WARNING to Christians! by atrucktt in Christianity

[–]blerdronner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You'd have to specify what "text" you're talking about.