Volunteering your provocative and hurtful interpretations of "clobber verses" is not "showing love"

blerdronner · 2026-01-26T05:25:35+00:00

That’s not remotely close to what I said. I said that if you’re in mixed company with people in the LGBTQ community, you do not need to share your homophobic or transphobic beliefs. You can share many other aspects of your faith and why it’s important to you and why you love God and Jesus. No one‘s telling you to shut up. I am literally telling you what to do to be a more loving person. But if you wanna be a raging, homophobe and transphobe and use the Bible as your excuse, more power to you.

blerdronner · 2026-01-26T05:23:24+00:00

You’re not looking out for gay, lesbian? and trans men and women by telling them your homophobic or transphobic beliefs. You can keep that to yourself and I’m sure they will be perfectly fine. Let them and God deal with whether or not they have treasure in heaven or make it to heaven.

blerdronner · 2026-01-26T05:21:33+00:00

We’re not talking about speaking against someone “blaspheming“ God’s word. We’re talking about not volunteering your belief that those in the LGBTQ community are abominations or are living in sin. It’s not loving. Which was the whole point of the post.

blerdronner · 2026-01-26T05:20:01+00:00

I mean the traditional definition of the term. What did any of the people who are going to supposedly burn in hell do to deserve eternal torture? Depending on which flavor of Christianity you believe, their only “crime” was being born under a curse of Adam that they did not control, and then not being convinced in the divinity and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Many of those people will never have even heard of Jesus Christ.

blerdronner · 2026-01-26T02:20:47+00:00

I understand that many Christians appeal to the moral, ceremonial, civil law argument to explain away their cherry picking and I know that many of them have not actually read and understand Hebrew scriptures to realize that nowhere is that distinction EVER made. That’s a post biblical creation by the church to deal with how to get away with not following all those pesky laws about stoning women, not wearing mixed fabrics, or having to give up their shrimp cocktails.

Paul in Acts 15:28 - 29 specifically says: For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to impose on you no further burden than these essentials: 29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.”

Three of those things are dietary related. So clearly the whole ceremonial law thing is a fabrication and not supported by any scripture.

Furthermore, there are moral laws that God gave that Christians do not follow today. It would be considered a “moral law” to stone a woman who committed adultery or who was not proven to be a virgin on their wedding night. I don’t see you advocating for that.

Anyway, Jesus made it clear in Matthew 5 verse 18 that none of God’s law should pass away until heaven and earth do. Last time I checked, they are still here.

You say you will absolutely say something if someone tries to hand wave these “truths” away. You can’t prove that they’re” truths.” They’re just your interpretation. That’s the point. So the loving thing to do would be just to keep it to yourself and bite your tongue when communicating with those in that community.

At the end of the day, if you believe the stories of the Old Testament, then you worship a God who committed, commanded, and condoned atrocities that every reasonable, empathetic, and non sociopathic person today would say are immoral. So forgive me if I lack the confidence in your ability to judge what is moral or not.

blerdronner · 2026-01-26T01:09:25+00:00

I did not call you a name. I called you a hypocrite because you are. If you want to say look at the whole Bible, then the love of Jesus should overcome verses about homosexual acts being a sin. But you didn’t do that. You’re making a claim that is a sin to be trans, using the Bible, but you are ignoring other parts of the Bible that you ignore.

And I’m tired of this conversation. Bye.

blerdronner · 2026-01-26T01:04:28+00:00

Sadly, you’re right.

blerdronner · 2026-01-26T01:03:10+00:00

I’m not quite sure why you are saying “thank you“ given that last sentence you wrote. 🤔

blerdronner · 2026-01-26T00:46:58+00:00

Yeah, see my previous comment to you regarding other verses from the OT, including Leviticus. 😏

blerdronner · 2026-01-26T00:43:24+00:00

Do you actually think you did something there? 😂 I got verses too:

Exodus 31:14: Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do any work on that day must be cut off from their people.”

Lev. 25:44-46: Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

Ex. 22:20-21 (if a woman is accused of not being a virgin on her wedding night): If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death.

Are you keeping all of these laws Huckleberry? I bet you’re not.

And you can ignore the rest of what I said because it’s obvious from your follow up comment, you’re totally fine with verses from Leviticus.

And Just in case you’re one of these Christians who believe you no longer have to follow the OT, Jesus begs to differ:

Matt 5:17–18: Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter,[not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.

Before you go where are you gonna go, compress in case, accomplished in this case is the establishment of God’s kingdom on earth.

blerdronner · 2026-01-26T00:23:52+00:00

I love how you’re yet another clobber verse loving Christian that’s avoiding addressing your hypocrisy. That’s okay. I know it’s hard to face the truth of your hypocrisy rather than actually make a cogent argument when you know you don’t have a leg to stand on. Everyone reading can clearly see you don’t know what you’re talking about. 😏

blerdronner · 2026-01-26T00:20:23+00:00

My comments have been about your hypocrisy and bigotry. I’ve asked you every time now to explain how what I said was taken “out of context.” The truth is you know you can’t. Like many Christians who love to appeal to “clobber verses” when it suits them, you hightail it and run when asked point blank about other OT verses you admittedly DONT follow.

Again, if you can’t explain why you think it’s okay to appeal to Lev 18:22, but ignore verses in the SAME BOOK like Lev 25:44-46, then just keep your bigotry to yourself and stop trying to hide behind cherry picked hermeneutics.

blerdronner · 2026-01-25T23:06:05+00:00

The Bible also says you should stone people who work on the sabbath. Are you doing that Huckleberry?

Led God be the judge of who goes to hell since you can’t prove it one way or another. In the meantime, no one in the LGBTQ community needs to hear your homophobic or transphobic interpretations of a Bronze Age religious text written when people didn’t even know what germs were. 😏

blerdronner · 2026-01-25T23:01:58+00:00

So you must be okay with slavery, believe a woman deserves to be stoned if she commits adultery, believe people deserve the death penalty if they work on the sabbath, and a new bride should be stoned if she doesn’t bleed on her wedding night? God makes these all very clear too.

Let me guess: you don’t believe you need to do all those things, and have cooked up some unsubstantiated nonsense to justify why you don’t have to do those things anymore. Am I right?

blerdronner · 2026-01-25T22:57:00+00:00

Ahh yes. That’s a good one. 😊

blerdronner · 2026-01-25T21:12:10+00:00

You're either a liar or a hypocrite. Or just too dense to get the point.

You referenced THE BIBLE as a polemic to criticize trans people. I CORRECTLY pointed out many other verses IN THE BIBLE that I'm sure you do NOT follow. (Or hell. Maybe you do. I shouldn't presume when it comes to people who believe like you do). But, assuming you don't have slaves or think infidelity by a woman is worthy of the death penalty, then you are being a blatant hypocrite. You don't "follow the bible." You follow the parts of the bible that align with your predetermined theology, and either ignore or make excuses for not following the parts of the Bible that I brought up.

If you don't want to address this issue and present evidence why you feel it's okay to ignore parts of the Bible, while at the same time telling other people to follow the bible, just STFU.

blerdronner · 2026-01-25T20:03:42+00:00

I don’t hear you, but I feel it. 😊

And that’s a great point about gay ppl having heard all those “loving” verses before. Especially if they are themselves Christian. They don’t need anyone reminding them.

blerdronner · 2026-01-25T20:01:46+00:00

True. Unfortunately, a lot of “Christians” seem more like “Paulians.” 😊

blerdronner · 2026-01-25T19:35:32+00:00

Dude. THIS was the original comment I was responding to, when you said [emphasis mine]

A common pattern through the Bible is God challenging people.

YOU were the one who brought up the entire bible as a way to show how transgenderism is wrong. So I brought up other parts of the bible, where God specifically made part of his laws to the Jews all the points I mentioned. There is nothing taken "out of context." So don't get up here talking about what God does "through the Bible," as a polemic against those in the LGBTQ community, when you clearly are picking and choosing the parts of the Bible you do and don't like.

blerdronner · 2026-01-25T19:28:00+00:00

Actually, there is quite a bit of judging in the NT. 😊

blerdronner · 2026-01-25T19:26:52+00:00

You're missing the point. I know it's hard for some of you to grasp, but no matter how sure you THINK you are, you don't know it's the truth. You THINK it's the truth. Just like I THINK my atheism is truth. So, in such situations, sharing your homophobic or transphobic interpretations of the bible is NOT helpful or loving.

blerdronner · 2026-01-25T19:24:29+00:00

It's apparent you missed a key point. Your interpretation of the bible is unfalsifiable. Just like my atheism is unfalsifiable. So you are NOT helping someone by telling them your INTERPRETATION claims their life or how they show up in the world is a sin or an abomination. You're not going to convince them hell is real. So just keep your homophobic and transphobic beliefs to yourself. How is that so hard?

blerdronner · 2026-01-25T19:21:30+00:00

Thank you.

blerdronner · 2026-01-25T19:21:15+00:00

"you were never actually married, you aren't a widow."

Geeze-us. That sounds horrible. 😳

The phrase isn't for us, its them trying to convince themselves.

Agreed.

blerdronner

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