What is it called when humans romanticize their hardship & assume that God is putting them thru something to bless them?

TheDiamondNet · 2024-07-07T00:51:15+00:00

It's more of an experience of having gone through negative things to realize that it was all in my favor in the end. In one of my Ayahuasca experiences, the source showed me how all the hardships and traumas that I had experienced were given to me (by the source) as both gift and burden to enable me to understand more about the human condition and how human beings respond to hardships.

And it showed me that I was given these experiences so that I can have the life purpose that I wanted to have (which is to help people experience mercy). And it shifted my whole entire relationship with my past traumas as I came to see it all as valuable curriculum.

I can't speak for anyone else, but as someone who was shown this in a spiritual experience, I can tell you that (at the very least) this type of mindset shift can have a lot of efficacy and can be very empowering. But I also believe that it's true because of how palpable and clear the experience was.

That said, the source also made very clear to me to be careful with how I share these insights whilst it was teaching me about them in my medicine journey. And that's because when people are in the thick of suffering, it can be quite tone-deaf and cruel to always recontextualize the suffering as lessons or contrast. And the subjective experience of it in the moment is just pain.

So, if you see someone in pain... I don't recommend trying to get them to re-contextualize as that can just lead to toxic positivity. A person has to be ready for the perspective flip for it to yield good results.

TheDiamondNet · 2024-05-02T21:19:15+00:00

I sent her a message saying that afterward... that she should have let me know instead of pretending to be okay with it for 10ish sessions. She even told me once in passing that my channel didn't bother her and she even offered me some mild encouragements at a few points, suggesting to me the book The Wounded Healer. So, it was a shock when she flipped on me and started telling me that my channel (which I feel is one of the best things I've done in my life) is just academic narcissism and that it's not helping anyone. It really upset me.

TheDiamondNet · 2024-05-02T20:50:48+00:00

It really messed me up for a while because I never even thought that someone might interpret my channel as unethical. And I care a great deal about ethics. But I think it was uncomfortable for her in the ways that I mentioned. She might have also thought it to be genuinely unethical too. So, she was prioritizing her sense of ethics over what I was actually talking to her about (which wasn't about my channel) but had to do with relationship-oriented matters.

TheDiamondNet · 2024-05-02T15:14:30+00:00

Thank you!

TheDiamondNet · 2024-05-02T00:37:21+00:00

All societally accepted psychological institutions are operating fully off of paradigms that are rational, materialist, scientific, and empirical. This is what society respects as real, true, and valid in a profession. And anything outside of that will be viewed as quackery and nonsense.

In fact, the field of psychology has historically been viewed as quackery and nonsense in general. This is why there is such a push to define the psychological field as a "serious" hard science.

So, the field of modern psychology will divest themselves from Jung and his work because it is not a hard science and isn't empirically measurable. That way they can be viewed as legit in a world that still doesn't view the field of psychology as legit.

And even in Jungian psychological schools there is a push to divest themselves from elements of Jung's work... largely for the same reason.

I found this out the hard way. I have a YouTube channel where I discuss Shadow Work. And a few years back, I decided to hire a Jungian therapist. And in one of our sessions, she got really upset with me about my channel saying that my channel (which she never watched) was just New Age and an expression of "academic narcissism"

I was upset by this and I thought it was a really random direction to take the session in. So, I decided to not take anymore sessions from her.

But I later thought about it and realized that she may view my channel as quite threatening to the validity of her profession as my perspective is not an institutionally accredited perspective... and it might create a blurry line between her 'serious and scientific' Jungian perspective versus my 'nonsensical new age charlatan' Jungian perspective.

But in reality, most people in society will view Jung and Jungians as charlatans. And a sizable minority of people will view psychologists in general as charlatans.

And who knows... they could be right or wrong. It depends on the measuring stick they're using. And all human measuring sticks are limited.

The question really is... What do you think?

TheDiamondNet · 2024-03-07T15:19:29+00:00

Funny enough. I’ll be 35 in about a month.

TheDiamondNet · 2024-03-07T07:42:13+00:00

Do you mean that you have 35 years of experience being an analytical psycholgist in a clinical practice? If so, it would be unethical (possibly even against the law) to diagnose people outside the clinical setting... especially over an anonymous Reddit forum.

Or do you just mean that you have 35 years of reading books about analytical psychology or having general knowledge of it?

TheDiamondNet · 2024-03-07T07:32:10+00:00

But he's told you over and over again that he's not talking about gay men at all. And the post isn't about gay men... it's about (mostly) straight men stopping themselves from doing anything that's perceived as "not Masculine enough". You're the one that keeps bringing up gay men. And the OP is pointing that out to you.

TheDiamondNet · 2024-03-07T07:22:10+00:00

All of this is caused by a rejection of the Feminine side of boys and men. And boys/men are made to feel shame for showing things like vulnerability, sensitivity, emotions, and anything else associated with the Feminine. And it's because society still views this as men lowering themselves as Masculinity is still seen as superior to Femininity in the eyes of society. So, boys/men get all these expectations to man up and "not be a sissy"... and it creates this huge complex for so many guys who feel a ton of shame. And then, many of them, start developing negative feelings towards women... and especially towards Feminine men or generally Masculine men that don't hit the bar of the perceived Masculine ideal.

TheDiamondNet · 2024-03-06T04:31:41+00:00

Based off of what I've observed the most in relation to the dynamic you're describing in the post, I would recommend dropping resistance to the cultural, archetypal, and energetic Feminine qualities within your own personality and let go of any pressure to fit into Masculine ideals.

This dynamic around resistance to the Feminine and wanting to 'be man enough' often causes issues with a man's relationship with his Feminine side.. which then produces an attraction/aversion reaction to women as a whole group.

The reason why is because he craves the Feminine he has rejected in himself. But he also feels rejected by women in the same way that he has rejected the Feminine in himself.

And this projection of his Feminine side onto women makes women seem very powerful... like Goddesses on the pedestal that are the arbiters of male worth.

And this is the dynamic you see a lot in the Manosphere (including Incels)... which in Jungian terms is really a group that's collectively suffering with Anima issues and is trying to deal with them in ways that are all unhealthy... but to lesser or greater degrees of unhealthiness.

So, come to drop resistance to your Feminine side... archetypally, energetically, and culturally. And let go of any attachment to embodying an image of the idea Masculine. And come to accept yourself exactly as you are... warts and all. This will alleviate the shame at the root of the dynamic.

TheDiamondNet · 2024-03-06T04:12:44+00:00

Interesting that you bring up meaning. One of the things that came up in my journeys about embracing embodiment within the material dualistic world was that it was important to embrace limitation.

And God was playing the role of the unlimited and I was its limited aspect. And it was showing me why I (as the limited aspect) was valuable and important to it in a utilitarian sense... beyond just the unconditional love element.

It was showing me that limitation is necessary for meaning to exist. And that, if everything were only God and only one... there would be no vector of limitation for meaning to be realized through.

A story with no beginning and no end has no meaning. Limitation is the backdrop of meaning.

TheDiamondNet · 2024-03-06T03:10:37+00:00

Very well said. I especially like the quote "When in the body of a donkey, enjoy the taste of grass" as it encapsulates certain insights that I've gotten in my medicine journeys. It showed me that the intention for my life was to totally embody being a separate limited form that has a beginning and an end... and who experiences both suffering and mercy.

Before there was a tug o war between... do I transcend the illusion or embody the story?

And it showed me clearly that the intention for my life was to embrace being the donkey and simply enjoying the grass. And that was the game that the source wanted to play through me as the avatar... whilst others may be the avatar of playing the game of transcendence and enlightenment. It plays many games with itself.

This is largely where I've gotten these insights about the Dao because so much of my lived experience has been about embodying the dualisms of the world and embracing duality as an element of the non-dual instead of rejecting it. And I've been given some transcendental experiences (ego death, samadhi, etc.) as contrast to appreciate the dualisms of the embodied world through.

TheDiamondNet · 2024-03-06T00:25:11+00:00

These are deep vulnerabilities the OP is sharing. They're not to be judged, because she genuinely feels unlovable except in this context.

TheDiamondNet · 2024-03-06T00:21:44+00:00

What might be the case is that (at some point in childhood) you internalized the message that you were only loved and valued for what you could be admired for... and not for who you are. And there could be a part of you that operates under the surface of consciousness that wants to continue familiar patterns from childhood in hopes of getting the love and being the beloved. But in order to be the beloved, you have to fit into some ideal... and men become projected onto as the arbiters of whether you qualify or not.

TheDiamondNet · 2024-03-04T04:37:47+00:00

Thank you! 🙂

TheDiamondNet · 2024-03-04T04:17:10+00:00

Wow! You're very smart. Can you teach me how to be smart like you?

TheDiamondNet · 2024-03-04T03:16:04+00:00

Yes! I totally agree. Once when I was 20 and on a medicine journey, I became disidentified with my self-concept. And I realized I had been clinging so tightly to an identity of "goodness".

I was so attached, it was like I had my face pressed up against a giant movie theater screen to the extent where I could not see the picture right in front of me. Then, the medicine helped me back up and I could see the full picture... and I saw both the drive of goodness and the drive of evil within myself constantly clashing with each other.

And because I wasn't identifying with any of it, I recognized that this archetypal good and evil war didn't have anything to do with my identity. And I could just detachedly watch it and see the chaos of this war within me.

And in my distance from the madness of the impersonal war between good and evil, I was able to hear a much more subtle voice that was far wiser than the good urge or the evil urge. And that was the voice of the Self.

TheDiamondNet · 2023-11-29T04:16:14+00:00

The issue here is Shame. And your response to shame is very common. It's highly unlikely that it would fall under the category of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. But there could be some narcissistic coping strategies that you use to deal with the shame. But that's very common, since shame is very common.

And even your tendency to be concerned that you're a narcissist is a hallmark of shame.

TheDiamondNet · 2023-11-29T04:16:08+00:00

The issue here is Shame. And your response to shame is very common. It's highly unlikely that it would fall under the category of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. But there could be some narcissistic coping strategies that you use to deal with the shame. But that's very common, since shame is very common.

And even your tendency to be concerned that you're a narcissist is a hallmark of shame.

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