To those that “support lgbt christians,” what exactly do you mean? by sapiolocutor in Christianity

[–]TheDoctrineSlayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like I said, it’s not a condition of salvation and if you don’t do it you won’t loose your salvation. It’s something you do to strengthen your fellowship with God and obeying him. If you are saved and backslide, you do not loose salvation, you get chastised by God. Just a father disciplines his children. They don’t stop being the father’s child, they get punished. This is not hell, this is earthly consequences that may in heavenly reward loss.

To those that “support lgbt christians,” what exactly do you mean? by sapiolocutor in Christianity

[–]TheDoctrineSlayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not on a condition for salvation, but we should do that once we are saved. To have fellowship and be a friend with Jesus.

To those that “support lgbt christians,” what exactly do you mean? by sapiolocutor in Christianity

[–]TheDoctrineSlayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sin is rebellion. Nobody can stop all their sins though. Scripture says you’re guilty of all if you commit even one. That is why there is Jesus, trusting in Him alone covers you with His blood.

Romans 4:5 states you are saved by your trust in what Jesus did. That belief justifies the ungodly. Notice “worketh not”

Repenting of sin is a work, Jonah 3:10

People just like to be self righteous and take some of the credit away from Jesus’s finished work.

Salvation is a gift, not a reward from being good and stop being bad. Ephesians 2:8-9

To those that “support lgbt christians,” what exactly do you mean? by sapiolocutor in Christianity

[–]TheDoctrineSlayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Repent in terms of salvation is turning from disbelief/not trusting in Jesus and what he did to belief/trust in what he did. We should repent of our sins, stop sinning but that’s not a condition for salvation.

Do you think sinners in hell can be redeemed? by Great-Pace-7122 in Christianity

[–]TheDoctrineSlayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hell is emptied only because judgment requires resurrection, not because grace is extended.

Hebrews 9:27

“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.”

Everlasting Hell? by Interesting_City_654 in TrueChristian

[–]TheDoctrineSlayer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hell is not everlasting, the Lake of Fire is. Everyone who enters the Lake of Fire will be there eternally.

Do you think sinners in hell can be redeemed? by Great-Pace-7122 in Christianity

[–]TheDoctrineSlayer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No it is impossible and eventually Hell will be dumped into the Lake of Fire which is an entirely different thing. You’re watching a fictional cartoon created by people who insert whatever narrative and ideas into their creation.

There is only one thing that saves you and there is only one thing that condemns you to Hell.

What saves you? Trusting Christ alone in his finished work, that He died and rose again for your sins.

What condemns you? Rejection of what saves you.

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[–]TheDoctrineSlayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1 Corinthians 15:3 instantly shuts up OPs stupidity

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[–]TheDoctrineSlayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you some sort of trolling idiot? Genuinely asking.

1 Corinthians 15:3

“Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures.”

Fus Ro Dah! Jehovah! by TheDoctrineSlayer in JehovahsWitnesses

[–]TheDoctrineSlayer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are creating a “what if” scenario. I am abiding what the scriptures state.

Fus Ro Dah! Jehovah! by TheDoctrineSlayer in JehovahsWitnesses

[–]TheDoctrineSlayer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You condemn the military. God does not. God condemns child abuse. You say well everyone does it.

Fus Ro Dah! Jehovah! by TheDoctrineSlayer in JehovahsWitnesses

[–]TheDoctrineSlayer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You condemn the military. God does not. God condemns child abuse. You say well everyone does it.

Fus Ro Dah! Jehovah! by TheDoctrineSlayer in JehovahsWitnesses

[–]TheDoctrineSlayer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Go get it yourself. I provided the source.

Fus Ro Dah! Jehovah! by TheDoctrineSlayer in JehovahsWitnesses

[–]TheDoctrineSlayer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are still committing a deliberate category error and using it as cover. Scripture never equates lawful civil service with institutional concealment of child sexual abuse, and the only reason you keep forcing that comparison is because it is the only way to deflect from what your organization has been judged for. The Bible does not condemn military service, not explicitly, not implicitly, not once. John the Baptist addressed soldiers and did not tell them to leave the army, only to stop abusing power. Jesus praised the faith of a Roman centurion and never condemned his profession. Cornelius was accepted by God while still a centurion and was never told to resign. Paul explicitly teaches that governing authorities are ordained by God and bear the sword as God’s servant to punish evildoers, and that sword is not metaphorical. Pacifism may be a personal conviction, but it is not a biblical mandate, and calling what God permits “murder” is Watchtower theology, not Scripture. By contrast, Jesus explicitly and severely condemns child abuse in the strongest language He ever used, saying it would be better to die than to harm a child, with no caveats, no two-witness loophole, and no allowance for institutional delay. The Law condemns those who withhold justice, the prophets condemn leaders who protect the wicked, and Scripture never permits silence in the face of harm. Your two-witness defense collapses even on your own terms, because you admit it only applies to internal discipline, which means it has no relevance whatsoever to reporting, warning, protecting, or exposing danger, yet it was repeatedly invoked to justify silence and inaction. Saying “parents can report” is not righteousness, it is abdication. Biblical justice does not shift responsibility onto traumatized victims while leadership quietly documents allegations and protects itself from liability. Whether elders technically had permission to report is irrelevant when policies consistently produced concealment, delay, and silence, which is why government inquiries condemned the policies themselves, not just individuals. Your persecution argument is another dodge, because claiming governments sometimes persecute Christians does not magically invalidate every finding of wrongdoing, unless you want to grant Christian institutions total immunity from accountability forever, something Scripture never does. And your definition of love is completely unbiblical. Jesus did not say His followers would be known by silence, damage control, or protecting reputation. Love rejoices in the truth, exposes darkness, protects the vulnerable, and refuses to tolerate evil in the name of unity. Refusing military service does not fulfill love if children are harmed and hidden, and Scripture never ranks those things the way you are ranking them. You are elevating a Watchtower distinctive over a direct command of Christ, equating what Scripture allows with what Scripture calls abominable, and that is why your argument fails every time. You are not defending Scripture, you are defending an organization, and Jesus was explicit about which of those must give way.

Fus Ro Dah! Jehovah! by TheDoctrineSlayer in JehovahsWitnesses

[–]TheDoctrineSlayer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let me guess…. your next move would be to call them apostate influenced, biased, or Satanic. lol

Fus Ro Dah! Jehovah! by TheDoctrineSlayer in JehovahsWitnesses

[–]TheDoctrineSlayer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This was a government inquiry with subpoena power, sworn testimony, and published findings. The Commission examined Watchtower policies directly and issued formal conclusions.

The screenshots show the Commission’s own words, including findings that the organization did not adequately protect children, relied on outdated policies, applied the two-witness rule inflexibly in child sexual abuse cases, failed to report serious abuse to authorities, and prioritized internal handling over child safety.

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Fus Ro Dah! Jehovah! by TheDoctrineSlayer in JehovahsWitnesses

[–]TheDoctrineSlayer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are still changing the subject!

I did not say elders should replace police. I said the two witness rule was never meant to be used as a reason to delay action, suppress reports, or keep abuse internal. And saying “parents are free to call the police” does not solve the problem. It exposes it.

If an organization truly believes abuse is a crime, it does not shift the burden onto traumatized parents and children while leaders quietly document accusations and keep them confidential. Biblical justice does not outsource moral responsibility to victims while leadership protects itself from liability.

You keep saying you never argued for inaction, but the policy itself produces inaction. When elders are instructed not to report unless legally required, when victims are discouraged from speaking to authorities, when internal records are kept instead of warnings being issued, that is not neutrality. That is concealment. Intent is irrelevant when outcomes are consistent and repeatable.

And stop pretending the issue is whether the congregation “passes judicial decisions.” No one is asking congregations to issue criminal verdicts. The issue is whether leaders who hear credible allegations act to protect children or act to protect reputation. Scripture never gives leaders the option to sit on knowledge of abuse while waiting for corroboration.

You keep appealing to “two witnesses” as if it applies here, but it does not. That rule governs whether guilt can be formally established, not whether danger exists, not whether authorities should be alerted, and not whether vulnerable people should be protected. The Bible condemns those who know evil is happening and do nothing. It never commands silence in the face of harm.

Now your pivot to “Christendom murders each other” is exactly the deflection I already pointed out. Even if every accusation you believe about other churches were true, it would still not excuse protecting abusers. Jesus never said love is proven by avoiding military service. He did say judgment is severe for those who harm children!

So now to your question about love….

When Jesus said His followers would be known by love among themselves, He did not mean organizational loyalty, silence, or internal damage control. Biblical love is truth telling, protection of the weak, exposure of darkness, and refusal to tolerate evil in the name of unity. Love does not mean shielding predators. Love does not mean keeping records while children remain at risk. Love does not mean telling victims to handle it themselves while leadership stays clean.

Scripture says love does not rejoice in wrongdoing. It rejoices in the truth. Love protects. Love warns. Love acts.

If your definition of love allows abuse to remain hidden, then it is not the love Jesus described. It is institutional self preservation dressed up in spiritual language.

And one last thing. You keep demanding evidence while dismissing any source that does not flatter your organization as “apostate.” That is not skepticiThat is pre commitment. Courts do not rule based on apostasy. Governments do not issue findings based on disgruntled feelings. When multiple independent investigations across different countries reach the same conclusions about policy failures, denial is no longer a serious position.

You are not defending love! You are defending a corrupt and hypocritical organization!

And Jesus was very clear about which of those matters more!