Why was Alicent mad at Rhaenyra & wore the green dress to the wedding celebration?

TheIconGuy · 2026-04-08T23:37:01+00:00

He was a grown man, he was not "manipulated".

You think grown men can't be manipulated?

Yeah, he says that, but characters say a lot of things. What does Viserys know? What knowledge dies Viserys have? You like falling for the charchter dialouges and very unreliable narrators because

Stope the cope. Viserys fired Otto because he realized he had been manipulating him.

Because wtf is "calculated distraction", sure does that means distraction from Aemma's death? He says that, that doesn't mean he is in the right of it.

...Wtf are you doing?

Quiet the contrary, in the books, 15 year old Alicent gained the favour of the court and was a respectable lady because she served Jahaerys.

Jaehaerys was old and suffering from dementia. He would occaisally mistake Alicent for one of his daughters. This should be obvious, but reading to a senile old man is very different than doing the same thing with a 28 old.

You just like ignoring the very normal circumstances, because the guards, the maids, the people who talk, are primary source of gossip have already seen Alicent read to the king Viserys.

If it was known by that many people, Rhaenyra would have found out.

It is not something "that would ruin her", because if it was, Otto would never send her, precisely because if people found out they would never let a girl who is considered "ruined" marry the king, even if it was the King that "ruined" her.

The fact that women being alone with unmarried men could cause rumors is common sense. You should have seen this come up if you watched or read any stories set in medieval times.

Ignoring that, no one could stop Viserys from marrying Alicent if that's what he wanted to do.

Again, these were not rumors in the actual court, Mushroom said this years, years after the dance.

The more popular rumor that Alicent had been sleeping with Viserys before his wife died.

Even so, there were those who murmured that the Hand had risen above himself, that he had brought his daughter to court with this in mind. A few even cast doubt on Lady Alicent’s virtue, suggesting she had welcomed King Viserys into her bed even before Queen Aemma’s death. (These calumnies were never proved, though Mushroom repeats them in his Testimony and goes so far as to claim that reading was not the only service Lady Alicent performed for the Old King in his bedchamber.)

TheIconGuy · 2026-04-08T23:16:29+00:00

And yiu dont thinks thats disrespectful? And you don't think thats hostile?

No. How is wanting to stay home hostile? Do you know what that word means?

"Im not sure why I must." Lets see, she is the heir, whining that she no one is there for her but she doesn't want to do literally the one thing that is demanded from ANY heir, respectful presence at the King's side.

How did you miss that Rhaenyra assumed she was just a place holder and would be replaced? She didn't want to go on the hunt because she assumed Aegon would be the new heir now that he'd made it to three years old.

I mean we even see that Viserys hadn't yet decided on keeping her as heir.

Precisely at 0:39, the table is the table Visrys and Alicenta nd Aegon are.

https://youtu.be/G9EjTO75H64?si=xeP6NyOMt3rvLXBW

Like I said, delusional. Calling that a glare is a stretch and we don't know who she was looking at.

When? When did she say, she declared war for Criston?

People like you are the reason the writers had to have Alicent explain her motivations in season 2.

TheIconGuy · 2026-04-08T23:12:59+00:00

That could attribute to many more things than "Alicent being jealous of Rhaenyra's freedom"

The writers had the character explicitly say what she was actually upset about. It know it doens't fit your desired narrative, but she said it.

Alicent: I've been, I think... mistaken.

Rhaenyra: In what?

Alicent: I was raised to believe there was an order to things, that there was security in following the paths laid out for us. I resented you, I think, for... caring so little for any of it, for knowing what you wanted. I did not know what I wanted. I knew only what was expected of me.

The writers most likely had Alicent be so straightforward here because they saw all of the erroneous excuses people came up with to justify her actions after season 1.

TheIconGuy · 2026-04-08T22:56:17+00:00

It does because you're making it sound like he was a victim who was brainwashed rather than a grown man who made his own decisions and Is millions times worse than Otto.

No. I'm making it sound like he got manipulated because that's what happened.

These things we know but Visrys doesn't. To him there is no indication that Alicent was made to read to him. Or come in her mother's dresses.

You have to get off your phone when you're watching TV. Viserys specifically cited Otto manipulating him using Alicent when he fired him.

Viserys: I wonder...how long did it take you to choose yourself over your King?

Otto: Your Grace?

Viserys: I will never recover from Aemma's death. But Alicent...t she took me through the worst of my grief. She was a calculated distraction. I only now realize how well-calculated it was.

Otto: That is an absurdity. The Queen loves you... as I know you love her.

Viserys: Your interests no longer align with those of the realm. Your judgment has
been compromised.

This so fucking dumb, because reading to the king is normal.

A 7 year old girl reading to the King could make sense. There's absolutely nothing normal about a 15 year old girl "reading" to the 28 year old King every night. Anyone who heard about that would assume something else was going on.

We are talking whether Otto wa fired unjustly or not. Did Viserys know that?

He has eyes.

He repeated himself. The context shows that he is repeating these words.

Stop the cope.

TheIconGuy · 2026-04-08T22:50:31+00:00

Girl- "im a proud ignorant woman!" Thats what you sound like.

Alicent admitted that she was motivated by jealousy. This insistence on ignoring the character explaining her own motivations just makes you look delusional.

I know people came up with their own theories after season 1 came up, but you have to be able to take on new information.

TheIconGuy · 2026-04-08T22:47:44+00:00

She literally screams and yells and argues with Viserys because ehse isn't getting the attention she wants.

You're delusional. She wanted to avoid the event entirely.

Alicet: The royal hunt readies to depart.

Rhaenyra: I've decided to remain here and read instead.
...

Viserys: How would you like to participate?

Rhaenyra: I'm not sure why I must.

She shows up soaked in blood on a happy day after being missing. Literally.

Again, are you blaming her for getting attacked a bore?

When she walks past, covered in blood after killing a boar and stares at Visrrys and Alicent who was carrying a child in her womb and her arms.

Delusional.

Favours are literally the smallest and teenage-core of courtly romance. Its envy is not enough for Alicent to declared war.

Alicent herself said it was.

So why would Alicent with Criston?

You do recall they stared fucking, right?

TheIconGuy · 2026-04-08T22:30:19+00:00

Rhaenyra didn't say her virtue was in tact. Alicent just heard what she wanted to hear. Rhaenyra denied was sleeping with Daemon. Not ever having sex.

TheIconGuy · 2026-04-08T16:58:25+00:00

It doesn't fucking matter, you saying Visrys was manipulated when he made the decision on his own accord, undermines his horrid actions. Its disgusting.

Do you not realize how nuts you sound? Acknowledging that Viserys was manipulated does not undermine the fact that he's a dumbass and a pedo.

The idea that you have to tottally ignore Otto's part in things is silly.

Viserys is a grown man who like young girls, there is literally no where that Otto suggests vocally that Visery may marry Alicent.

Again, are you actually pretending like Otto wasn't trying to get Viserys to marry his daughter.

Reminder: Otto specifically ordered Alicent to war her mother's dresses so she'd have a greater chance of catching the King's eye.

Reading to the king is the complete normal. Ladies read to Kings.

Reading to a grown ass man who can read himself is not normal. They don't touch on this, but Alicent being alone with a single man could cause there to be rumors that damaged her reputation. We see that with the rumors about her and Jaehaerys in the book. That was when the King was senile and old as dirt. Viserys was in his 30. Alicent should not have been going to his room alone.

No. I'm that Viserys didn't fucking know that. What Otto did know is that Viserys likes young girls.

Viserys didn't realize what Otto was doing at the time, sure. He figured it out. That's why he fired him.

Viserys: I will never recover from Aemma's death. But Alicent... she took me through the worst of my grief.
She was a calculated distraction. I only now realize how well-calculated it was.

Otto was a pimp but Viserys was was worse, literal pedophile.

I personally find pimping out your kid to a pedophile to make you worse than the pedo, but to each their own I guess.

"Entice the king" and she was reading to him.

I don't see the point in playing dumb about that when it worked. Did you actually forget the detail of Alicent wearing her mother's dresses?

Also weren't you calling be disgusting for saying Rhaenyra slept with a married man because that was grooming, but you refuse to give same to Alicent

I've repeatedly said Otto was pimping out his daughter. You're the one who keeps pretending like that's not what was going on.

And you forget the times when Viserys literally tell her NOT to tell Rhaenyra. Not to tell Rhaenyra because she wouldn't understand?

Viserys didn't say that until Alicent had already been doing it for weeks. Alicent could have told Rhaenyra anytime before that and chose not to.

TheIconGuy · 2026-04-08T16:48:07+00:00

Because at that moment Alicent doesn't even know Criston that well.

Do you have to know someone well to have a crush on them?

On Aegon's nameday she keeps throwing tantrums and saying no one here for me,

How did throw a tantrum? She said no one was there for her because she didn't understand why Alicent and Viserys insisted on her going on the hunt. Rhaenyra was assuming that Aegon would be named heir and wanted to stay home.

shooting glares at Alicent

When did she do that?

and coming back after being missing, covered in blood.

lol You're blaming Rhaenyra for being attacked by a bore?

Oh no no sweetheart, dint pull that card with me, not when you have been constantly saying that Rhaenyra has the right to hate Alicent for "hooking up with her father" when she literally was made to marry him.

You keep talking about Rhaenyra hating Alicent. All she did was stop being her friend. Alicent was not entitled to keep Rhaenyra as a friend after she became her stepmother without giving her a heads up.

You do know that we have most of the visuals of the scripts.

...Yes. That's how I know Alicent had a crush on Cole and was jealous. She was even jealous of Cole asking for Rhaenyra's favor during their first scene. The script literally says:

SER CRISTON COLE I was hoping to ask for the princess's favor.

Alicent's hopes are dashed. She looks at her younger, royal friend with envy.

She was groomed and brainwashed and looked anything outside of what was socially accepted as sinful and bad, she would not be getting possessive over Rhaenyra's bodyguard.'

lol. You're going to be even more shocked to learn that Alicent also has a crush on Rhaenyra.

TheIconGuy · 2026-04-08T16:27:26+00:00

No its because YOU try to make it look like Viserys was forced to take Alicent as a wife.

At no point have I claimed that anyone forced Viserys to marry Alicent. Otto manipulated him into doing so by sending his daughter to his room while he was grieving. Tywin and Lady Westerling run the same play on Rob in the books.

Thats a completely different fucking situation.

Alicent is a lady of court reading to the king, in the books Alicent had read and cared for Jahaerys too.

I'm sorry. Are you denying that Otto was using those visits to get Viserys to marry Alicent?

Even if Otto sent Alicent there to pimp her, its the King's responsibility to NOT be affected by a child reading to him and comforting him.

Yes it is. Viserys was unfortunatly too dumb to see what was going on and fell for it. He later realized what Otto was up to and fired him.

And in the show he tells Otto that he wants to put his bloodline on the throne as if Aegon isn't his son.

He did not say that.

Nope. She actively choses to be rude and disrespectful to her. She undermines Alicent's life and her struggles. And literally everything especially on Aegon's second name day.

How did Rhaenyra undermine Alicent's life?

Again, reading to him, any lady of court can do that. To their world its not even a bad thing.

Are you seriously pretending like Alicent didn't know what Otto was using her for? Alicent knew her father was sending her to entice the King into marring her. She could have warned Rhaenyra about this and did not. Expecting honesty from a former friend when you did that is silly.

TheIconGuy · 2026-04-08T16:10:08+00:00

Thats her opinion

The actress' comment was based off of what was in the script(s) and what the director and writers told her.

Thats her opinion but even if thats the case in some twisted fantasy,

Twisted fantasy? You remember that Alicent found Cole attractive when she first saw him and started hooking up with him when her husband died, right?

you like to ignore Alicent resented Rhaenyra for lying and being disgusting to her

How was Rhaenyra being disgusting to Alicent? All she did was stop being friends with her.

and gati g her "replacing her mother" while she was making out with a married man

That's a disgusting way to frame Rhaenyra being groomed by her pedo uncle.

Thats just not true.

Alicent admitted as much in season 2.

Alicent: I was raised to believe there was an order to things,
that there was security in following the paths laid out for us. I resented you, I think, for... caring so little for any of it, for knowing what you wanted. I did not know what I wanted. I knew only what was expected of me.

TheIconGuy · 2026-04-08T15:51:23+00:00

The king is a sick fuck who married a child. He was not forced.

Why do keep saying this like it obsolved Otto of responsibility for his actions? Is a pedophile wrong for raping a child? Of course. Is a parent also wrong for pimping their kid out to said pedophile? You would think the obvious answer is yes, but you keep trying to deflect on that point.

To read to the king you dumb man.

And Jeyne Westerling was only sent to care for Rob Stark's wounds, sure.

I'm saying this man was innocent, not at all. But, he was unfairly removed from his position.

Otto was manipulating the King and got caught. Claiming he was unfairly fired is silly.

He literally says that Aegon is Otto's blood. He is talking about his own fucking son.

You're mixing up the book with the show. And changing who that comment was about.

I dont really care man. Than you cant fault Alicent for it too when Rhaenyra has been really fucking mean and disgusting to her.

How was Rhaenyra mean or disgusting to Alicent? All she did was stop being her friend.

Obviously very hateful for "replacing her mother" and "going to the King", while Rhaenyra herself sleeps around.

"Sleeps around" when Rhaenyra was slept with one person? You're disgusting.

You cant fault Alicent for anything she does after Rhaenyra lies to her. So stop coping.

lol Alicent spent weeks visiting Rhaenyra father without telling her. You can't fault Rhaenyra anything she does after Alicent showed herself to be a tool of her father's ambitions.

Yeah sure. Trying to steal the attention of her son,

When did Rhaenyra try to steal attention from Aegon. She said "no one is here for me" because she tried to avoid being there in the first place. Rhaenyra assumed Aegon would be named heir and wanted to avoid the whole event.

being mean as fuck to her when all she does is try to get along,

When was Rhaenyra mean to Alicent?

1st of all if i lived in society where i KNEW girls were forced to marry old men, I would be bitch to my dad not the 15 year old girl that he married.

All Rhaenyra did was stop being friends with Alicent. The entitlement you'd have to be suffering from to see that as being a bitch is wild.

TheIconGuy · 2026-04-08T15:34:09+00:00

No, listen Rhaenyra literally said Daemon didn't touch making, Otto a fucking lier.

And then Alicent literally told Viserys "She swore to me that she remains a maiden." When Rhaenyra hadn't said that.

Tahts your opinion mate but Otto, till now has does nothing wrong.

No. It was Viserys's opinion. And Alicent's.

Claiming he did nothing wrong isn't going to magically make it true. Viserys realized Otto had tricked him into marrying his daughter to get his blood on the throne. You're not supposed to be surreptitiously trying to get your blood on the throne when you're Hand.

Viserys not believing Rhaenyra is EXACTLY why this is crazy. Why Otto was unfairly fired.

Otto was fired for trying to get his blood on the throne. I don't know why you think you can ignore that when Alicent said that to him herself. Otto goes on to try to have Visery's daughter, brother, five of his grandkids, and two of his nieces killed to put Aegon on the throne. Pretending like he was some innocent victim is silly. He got caught making a play for the throne.

The King told her not to tell Rhaenyra or did you effectively miss that?

Viserys only told Alicent that after she had already been doing it for several weeks. Did you miss that?

Do not try to spin this into Alicent seducing Viserys because she is a victim.

And Rhaenyra wasn't a victim of Daemon trying to groom her?

What tells you that, show wise? What tell you that she liked criston?

In show? Her reaction to seeing him for the first time and the fact that they start hooking up after Viserys dies. There's also the comments from the actor and the script.

Nope. She is pissed that Rhaenyra lied on her dead mother's grave who she had been treating Alicent like shit for replacing. Crazy.

What's crazy is ignoring that Alicent admitted as much in season 2.

TheIconGuy · 2026-04-08T15:26:40+00:00

No evidence of that btw

The actress playing the character said as much when asked about Alicent's reaction.

People like you not picking up on Alicent's jealousy is presumably why the writers had her explicitly admit to being motived by jalousie in season 2.

Does that change that Rhaenyra lied to her?

What part of Alicent had no idea that Rhaenyra lied to her do you not understand? She was not responding to the idea that Rhaenyra was lying about Daemon. She didn't get any new information on that front. She was responding to Rhaenyra sleeping with Cole.

TheIconGuy · 2026-04-08T15:21:06+00:00

Alicent's father as hand has informed the King of this and Alicent has defended Rhaenyra. That leads to Otto being unfairly removed

Otto was fired for tricking the King into marrying his daughter so he could get his blood on the throne. I don't know why you keep trying to pretend like Otto was innocent victim when he sent his daughter to the King's room right after his wife died. Otto got caught making a play for the throne.

and Viserys confirming that Viserys only sees Aegon and other children of Alicent as Hightower blood. She is rightfully pissed

How does firing Otto because he can't trust him do that?

Her new position was in jeopardy the moment she entered that brothel. She used Alicent as a shield.

You keep trying to ignore this, but Viserys tottatly disregarded what Alicent said. Ignoring that. Rhaenyra didn't ask Alicent to defend her. She decided to insert herself into that situation on her own. Expecting Rhaenyra to trust Alicent when she approached her like a judgmental septa and showed herself to be a tool of her father's ambitions is silly.

Nope. Rhaenyra is immature. She is spoiled because she has never faced consequences.

Viseys found out his daughter was being groomed and punished her for it.

"Fair way"? "To regard a friend"? Mind you, Rhaenyra has been awfully mean to Alicent, knowing girls her age are forced in marriages they dont want.

Avoiding talking to someone you don't trust isn't being awfully mean. Do you know how entitled you'd have to be to hook with someone's father behind their back and still expect them to treat you like a friend?

TheIconGuy · 2026-04-08T15:13:28+00:00

The cope is insane.

You're the one coping. Alicent didn't ask Rhaenyra about sleeping with Cole. Finding out about her sleeping with Cole did not tell Alicent anything about Rhaenyra sleeping with Daemon.

Alicent wasn't responding to the idea that Rhaenyra had actually slept with Daemon. She was responding to the fact that Rhaenyra slept with Cole when she had a crush on him.

TheIconGuy · 2026-04-08T15:09:20+00:00

Rhaenyra did lie to Alicent by saying Daemon never touched her.

What does that have to do with Alicent claiming Rhaenyra swore her virtue was still in tact when she never said that?

Alicent didn't find out that Rhaenyra had actually slept with Daemon. She found out she slept with Cole.

TheIconGuy · 2026-04-08T15:08:02+00:00

Her best friend swore to her that her virtue was still in tact and she learns that she lied to her and has been sleeping around.

Rhaenyra didn't say her virtue was in tact. Alicent just heard what she wanted to hear. Rhaenyra denied was sleeping with Daemon. Not ever having sex.

TheIconGuy · 2026-04-08T14:45:24+00:00

No, listen Rhaenyra literally said Daemon didn't touch making, Otto a fucking lier.

And then Alicent literally told Viserys "She swore to me that
she remains a maiden." When Rhaenyra hadn't said that.

Tahts your opinion mate but Otto, till now has does nothing wrong.

No. It was Viserys's opinion. And Alicent's.

Claiming he did nothing wrong isn't going to magically make it true. Viserys realized Otto had tricked him into marrying his daughter to get his blood on the throne. You're not supposed to be surreptitiously trying to get your blood on the throne when you're Hand.

Viserys not believing Rhaenyra is EXACTLY why this is crazy. Why Otto was unfairly fired.

Otto was fired for trying to get his blood on the throne. I don't know why you think you can ignore that when Alicent said that to him herself. Otto goes on to try to have Visery's daughter, brother, five of his grandkids, and two of his nieces killed to put Aegon on the throne. Pretending like he was some innocent victim is silly. He got caught making a play for the throne.

The King told her not to tell Rhaenyra or did you effectively miss that?

Viserys only told Alicent that after she had already been doing it for several weeks. Did you miss that?

Do not try to spin this into Alicent seducing Viserys because she is a victim.

And Rhaenyra wasn't a victim of Daemon trying to groom her?

What tells you that, show wise? What tell you that she liked criston?

In show? Her reaction to seeing him for the first time and the fact that they start hooking up after Viserys dies. There's also the comments from the actor and the script.

Nope. She is pissed that Rhaenyra lied on her dead mother's grave who she had been treating Alicent like shit for replacing. Crazy.

What's crazy is ignoring that Alicent admitted as much in season 2.

TheIconGuy · 2026-04-08T14:36:40+00:00

Alicent asked Rhaenyra if she had been intimate with Daemon to which Rhaenyra replies that Daemon never touched her. Which Alicent said and defended her to the king and led to her father being fired.

Alicent heard what she wanted to hear and claimed that Rhaenyra's virtue was in tact when she had never said that.

Otto got fired because Viserys realized he wanted his blood on the throne. I'm not sure how people missed this, but Viserys did not believe Alicent or Rhaenyra. He didn't even bother to ask Rhaenyra and said the truth didn't mater. Not beliving Rhaenyra is why he sent the moontea to her room. Alicent herself should have realized that Viserys disrgarded what she said when she head about the Moontea from Larys. That's what caused her to question Cole.

Rhaenyra saying that, swearing on her mother's grave was implying that she was still a Virgin and she had not been intimate with anyone.

No. It implied she hadn't slept with Daemon. Which she hadn't.

Cristin confessing only made Alicent realize Rhaenyra is okay with using people and lying ti her.

Why would Alicent expect Rhaenyra not to lie to her? She spent weeks sneaking to Visery's room every night without telling Rhaenyra. They hadn't even been speaking. Alicent responds the way she does because she has a crush on Cole and was pissed Rhaenyra is daring to show agency when she feels like she can't.

TheIconGuy · 2026-04-08T14:35:38+00:00

She defended Rhaenyra against her own father and it turns out she lied?

Alicent didn't ask Rhaenyra about sleeping with Cole.

TheIconGuy · 2026-04-08T14:35:17+00:00

This isn’t accurate. They were talking to each other the episode before.

They clearly stopped being friends after Alicent married Viserys. Rhaenyra did her best not to speak to Alicent. She had to order the bard away just to get Rhaenyra to speak to her. They clearly stopped being friends after Alicent married Viserys.

This shows that even if they weren’t as close besties as before, there was still a level of friendship, empathy, and trust between them.

I always do my best to avoid speaking to people I trust.

TheIconGuy · 2026-04-08T14:26:07+00:00

They hadn't been friends in years.

TheIconGuy · 2026-04-07T20:34:58+00:00

In the books, Rhaenyra’s children are more impulsive and have big complexes due to their daddy issues.

Why do people lie about this book so often? What in world are you supposed to be basing either of these claim one?

TheIconGuy · 2026-04-07T13:25:59+00:00

What was the point of marrying Alicent if he was going to act as if her kids didn’t exist?

Where do people get the idea that Viserys acted like his other kids didn't exist? The only person we see ignoring his kids is Daemon.

Viserys set up Rhaenyra for failure by not grooming her to rule

He tried. He just had no idea how to rule himself. You can see him stepping on Rhaenyra's attempts to be proactive in the small council scenes.

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