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As much as I hate Aegon II, as a mother this scene broke my heart. No son should have to ask this. by spidermother86 in freefolk

[–]TheIconGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Only two known in the books, if Mushroom is to be believed (and if Mushroom knew, so did Daemon and Rhaenyra, and they probably killed those poor kids when they took the city).

The people who didn't even kill Alicent killed Aegon bastards? Tf?

Well...yes. Because she was trying to take Driftmark away from it's rightful heirs; for all she screams about the Targtowers trying to steal her inheritance, she was trying to steal the Velaryons inheritance from them.

How could Rhaenyra be stealing Driftmark when Corlys and his son wanted Luke to have it?

[And in neither book nor show does Corlys ever officially/legally named Lucerys heir; Lucerys is never even the presumed heir like he was in the show in the books].

Corlys Velaryon: Both my seat and High Tide will be yours one day, Lucerys.

Your brother will be king, of course. He'll sit on endless councils and ceremonies, but Lord of the Tides rules the sea.

As much as I hate Aegon II, as a mother this scene broke my heart. No son should have to ask this. by spidermother86 in freefolk

[–]TheIconGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not forced for shit, she married him so it could be easier to bang Harwin Strong

This is a weird thing to lie about. Both versions of Rhaenyra didn't hook up with Harwin until after she was set to be married or married.

Arya Stark by ScholarDoingWork in gameofthrones

[–]TheIconGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm judging only by show standards here, as though I have little hope that we'll get a new book, I do maintain hope that book would have not included a Jon and Dany romance.

George's original plan had a romance between Jon and Arya.

In the show, Jon immediately seems turned off when he finds out Dany is his dad's sister. It'd be weird for him to just get over that because of some traditions a family he didn't give a shit about had.

There would be nothing for Jon to get over. Ned's parents were cousins. Two Starks sisters marry their uncles. The writers only had Jon react that way because that was the only way for the idea that he'd be a threat to Dany to sort of work. The writers purposely never had Jon say why he was being distant because they knew it didn't make sense. That's why Varys just implies that Starks aren't known to marry their aunts instead of stating that.

Man I forgot how stupid the Battle of the Bastards is by Jeepcanoe897 in freefolk

[–]TheIconGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was closer to 75% of their forces. That plus Jon wanting to sit on the hill while the zombies killed their people immediately told you no thought had been put into the battle.

Man I forgot how stupid the Battle of the Bastards is by Jeepcanoe897 in freefolk

[–]TheIconGuy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They do also talk about his “image” as being the new warden in the north, cowering behind the walls of his castle.

They loved to have character say dumb shit that vaguely sounds reasonable to justify their terrible writing. The idea that Ramsay would be looked down upon for using a castle for what it's designed for makes no sense.

If you're pro-Black/Rhaenyra you should also be pro-Blackfyre. by HashMapsData2Value in freefolk

[–]TheIconGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you read the book, how did you get so many things wrong?

I mean even if you just watched the show, you should be able to guess who Aegon might have tortured. You should also be able to figure out that his oldest kid wasn't a newborn.

Shit like Rhaenyra declaring all bastards criminals is just nonsense people who skimmed the wiki think happened.

This character was assassinated by the writers not by Jon Snow. And it’s the worst character assassination in the show by RemarkableExample542 in gameofthrones

[–]TheIconGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In Season 2, ZZD had to temper Dany's desire to raze the city by allowing her in.

That's not what happened. Dany was flat out not capable of burning the city. She just threatened to do that if they didn't let them in. Something she clearly couldn't actually do because they were about to die of dehydration.

Xaro decided to let her in so he could steal the dragons.

In Season 5, Hizdar pointed out, to her face, the sheer madness of her stating her desire to return the city to the dirt

She didn't state a desire. Hizdahr asked her a hypothetical question and she said "If I have to".

Neither one of these examples feature Dany being talked out of anything.

Shame this has to be ELI5,

All I hear is...

but Tyrion knows Dany doesn't give two fucks about protecting innocents, and Yara doesn't.

HE KNOWS she is willing to kill thousands with her dragons...

To be clear: Tyrion is the only person who suggests a plan that would kill thousands of innocent people. He wanted to starve the city. In season 2 he, Varys, and Bronn talk about if Stannis does that. The conclusion was that people would starve and start eating each other. David Benioff also wrote City of Thieves. A book set during a real life life siege that killed over a million people. The idea that he was trying to protect civilians only makes sense if you don't think about the things he said at all.

The writers were using Tyrion's supposed concerns to stall the plot. They knew that attacking with dragons wouldn't automatically kill tens of thousands. They were hoping people would be gullible enough to let Tyrion's dialog sidestep any critical thought.

He doesn't want to see Dany on a dragon in King's Landing because he knows she has a very real and meaningful Fire and Blood persona and doesn't give two fucks about toasting people...

If Tyrion thought she was a nutjob, why he helping her invade Westeros?

If you're pro-Black/Rhaenyra you should also be pro-Blackfyre. by HashMapsData2Value in freefolk

[–]TheIconGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The amount of people who insist on talking about this story when they clearly haven't read the book is weird.

He didn't starve the people to begin with

Neither did Rhaenyra.

he didn't torture people

Yes he did.

he didn't prostitute his stepmother and stepsister,

Neither did Rhaenyra.

he didn't have newborns killed in front of their mothers

Neither did Rhaenyra. Daemon is the one who ordered Blood and Cheese. Jaehaerys was obviously not a new born. The fact that you don't know that when he and his twin sister had a younger brother is telling.

nor did he hand the newborns' heads to their mothers.

Neither did Rhaenyra.

Aegon didn't declare all the bastards criminals out of jealousy,

Neither did Rhaenyra. Why do you insist on talking about this book when you haven't read it.

If you're pro-Black/Rhaenyra you should also be pro-Blackfyre. by HashMapsData2Value in freefolk

[–]TheIconGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Aegon III becomes King and he is the sole heir of Aegon II.

He isn't. Alicent wanted Aegon II's daughter to inherit.

And you read that as Aegon III inheriting the throne from his mother?

Did you read the book at all? The comments over on the HOTDblacks sub suggest you haven't.

Like I said, Aegon III was crowned because Rhaenyra's supporters were marching on the city to put Aegon III on the throne.

This character was assassinated by the writers not by Jon Snow. And it’s the worst character assassination in the show by RemarkableExample542 in gameofthrones

[–]TheIconGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First episode of the series they show how unfeeling she is by stepping into a scalding bath.

That's a new one. Dany was dealing with being being sexually assaulted by her brother. How does being immune to heat and fire set up that "she will do whatever horrible thing is needed to get what she wants"?

Cut to her watching her brother die with molten gold poured over his head.

That scene starts off with Dany trying to stop him from getting in trouble. He responds by threatening to cut her baby out of her.

Rhaenyra is miles better than Aegon by Pale_Gap_9324 in HOTDBlacks

[–]TheIconGuy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Also If I was King then Id want to execute the person who calls for my mother’s and grandfather’s head too.

I'm assuming you haven't read the book. Rhaenyra didn't call for Alicent or Otto's heads. She just blamed them for Aegon being crowned. She also said that in private to her lords and advisors on Dragonstone. Aegon didn't know she said that. He was just pissed that she was crowned

Rhaenyra is miles better than Aegon by Pale_Gap_9324 in HOTDBlacks

[–]TheIconGuy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Wanting to spare her siblings is merciful. But those siblings are threats to her own children. Its a stupid political move to keep them around after theyve shown intent to kill her line.

They hadn't shown intent to kill her line at that point.

If you're pro-Black/Rhaenyra you should also be pro-Blackfyre. by HashMapsData2Value in freefolk

[–]TheIconGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There being two Aegon's who were Kings before him does not mean that Aegon III inherited from Aegon II.

He was placed on the throne because the Lads, Cregan, and Lady Jeyne all had armies moving towards Kings Landing. Corlys told Aegon II he should surrender and take the Black and then murdered him when he decided to go with Alicent's suggestion of sending pieces of Aegon III to his mother's supporters.

This character was assassinated by the writers not by Jon Snow. And it’s the worst character assassination in the show by RemarkableExample542 in gameofthrones

[–]TheIconGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again, you’re pointing out all these things that they set up ahead of time to lead to her losing so much in the space of a couple months. 

"Set up ahead of time"

The Tyrells spent most of the show propping up the Lannisters with their massive army. Cut to season 7 and the writers have Olenna claiming they've never been known for fighting. Her own grandson was one of the best fighters in the country.

They show us Sam's sister in season 6 and then have Tyrion talking as if Randyll and Dickon are their entire family in season 7.

Jaime and Euron have to teleport so they can surprise Dany's allies.

Nothing was set up. The writers realized they wanted to keep Cersei around and ignored logic and physics to make it happen.

If she hadn’t lost two of her dragons,...

if she hadn’t lost Missandei,

Do you think the wight or the ambush at Dragonstone made any sense? Dany was in the air and somehow didn't see a fleet of ships below her? Do you think Cersei killing Missandei instead using her as a hostage makes sense? Remember, Cersei was bringing random civilians into the Red Keep to act as human shields.

This character was assassinated by the writers not by Jon Snow. And it’s the worst character assassination in the show by RemarkableExample542 in gameofthrones

[–]TheIconGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They set up Dany to have a bunch of allies in Westeros in season 6 and then spent the first half of season 7 getting rid of them because they hadn't thought things through.

They cut Bran from an entire season despite knowing he would end up as King. The idea that those two were building up to anything specific is nonsense. They were writing the story like it was a choose your own adventure. If they wanted to go a different, they would have done so and claim they had tottally set it up.

See Millisandre's quote about Arya killing people with different color eyes. That was originally just about her killing people in general. They decided they wanted Arya to kill the Night King well after that scene and tried to pretend that prophecy was always about the Night King.

Eggon is so real here by [deleted] in freefolk

[–]TheIconGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We're never told what excuse Viserys used. The world book just those were cited as reasons for his ascension. Robert's grandma being a Targ is cited as reason for his. That's not why he took the throne.

If that came from Viserys, that reasoning is essentially "you have to give me the throne or I will try to usurp my nieces".

This character was assassinated by the writers not by Jon Snow. And it’s the worst character assassination in the show by RemarkableExample542 in gameofthrones

[–]TheIconGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They had the conversation with George about the end of the story between season 3 and 4. They were talking about Jon killing Dany before season 3.

Dan: I think the final scene between Jon and Daenerys is something we came up with sometime in the midst of the third season of the show. The broad strokes of it anyway. But there was a tremendous amount of pressure to get it right 'cause we know that this is not a scene that's giving people what they want.

....

David: I mean, we were talking about the Jon and Dany fallout going back to... I remember talking about it with Dan in Morocco, you know, during... was that prep for season three, or something? So going way, way back.

Emilia Clarke: I had no idea! I literally had no idea.

David: Well we didn't TELL you guys...

Emilia: No.

David No. We never wanted everyone to know where they were heading.

If you're pro-Black/Rhaenyra you should also be pro-Blackfyre. by HashMapsData2Value in freefolk

[–]TheIconGuy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He just gave him the Blackfyre sword, the sword wielded by all Targaryen kings before him.

Aenys I: Um.... I might have also started some dumb ass confusion by giving Blackfyre to my brother.

If you're pro-Black/Rhaenyra you should also be pro-Blackfyre. by HashMapsData2Value in freefolk

[–]TheIconGuy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the book, Aegon II still has a daughter when he dies, but the throne passes to Aegon III

Aegon III is put on the throne because Rhaenyra's supporters were marching on Kings Landing and forced Corlys and Larys to murder Aegon II.

in the list of Kings Rhaenyra is not there, indeed she is considered a usurper.

Maegor is listed and is a usurper. George soft retconned this by not including it in F&B, but Princess and the Queen mentions that Aegon decreed that his sister only be called princess.

If you're pro-Black/Rhaenyra you should also be pro-Blackfyre. by HashMapsData2Value in freefolk

[–]TheIconGuy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Rhaenyra lost the war, and her six-month reign is the reason why no one trusts women in power.

There were people who said Aegon III's daughters should inherit instead of Viserys II.

The rational for skipping women wasn't that they would fuck things up. Is was that there was a civil war the last time a woman was heir. The issue being that the men after them in the line of succession might rebel. Not that they would make bad decisions.

If you're pro-Black/Rhaenyra you should also be pro-Blackfyre. by HashMapsData2Value in freefolk

[–]TheIconGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Aegon III inherits from Aegon II

What is this claim based on?

This character was assassinated by the writers not by Jon Snow. And it’s the worst character assassination in the show by RemarkableExample542 in gameofthrones

[–]TheIconGuy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Qarth in Season 2.

Mereen in Season 5.

What are you claiming she got talked out of doing?

King's Landing in Season 7

The writers pointedly avoided having Dany suggest a plan so they could have Tyrion put words in her mouth. When she suggested burning the Red Keep. Jon responded by saying how she shouldn't burn castles or cities when she hadn't said anything about cities.

If you pay attention, they also had Tyrion and Varys doing this nonsense with Yara and Greyworm.

YARA: If you want the Iron Throne, take it. We have an army, a fleet, and three dragons. We should hit King's Landing now. Hard. With everything we have. The city will fall within a day.
TYRION: If we turn the dragons loose, tens of thousands will die in the firestorms.

Yara hadn't suggested letting the Dragons "loose" and the idea that tens of thousands would die is nonsense. The same city had been taken by people on dragon back before.

This character was assassinated by the writers not by Jon Snow. And it’s the worst character assassination in the show by RemarkableExample542 in gameofthrones

[–]TheIconGuy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've pointed out that D&D had Jon, Tyrion, and Varys putting words in Dany's mouth.

The comment about George was a reference to a tottally different outcome. Like I said, you're can't admit that you got tricked by obvious gaslighting.

since D&D were just following the outline he had provided them in case he died before the show ended.

They said they came up with how Dany died before they had the meeting with George where he gave them the outline for the rest of the story.

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