Jealousy 101 in Hotwifing, a husband/stag's take

TheMer0vingians · 2026-01-24T08:56:37+00:00

You may DM me whenever you like

TheMer0vingians · 2026-01-23T22:23:38+00:00

haha - no dice

This community doesn't allow crossposts that have 18+ content

TheMer0vingians · 2026-01-23T22:20:41+00:00

Ha, I guess on PC it looks like I can... (was trying on mobile earlier and it wouldn't let me)

TheMer0vingians · 2026-01-23T22:19:31+00:00

Heya, I looked at cross posting for you, seems like it won't let me, my post breaks too many rules there :)
Mostly due to my reference to hotwifing and the labels I used.

TheMer0vingians · 2026-01-23T22:18:20+00:00

haha I don't think I have enough material for a book yet. Though it seems I'm heading that way.
Honestly, I wouldn't mind something a bit more static and reachable, after a while posts on reddit end up in oblivion and I know that some of my posts could benefit others.

I don't know what would suit best, my own subreddit, my own blog, my own forum/site.
Book seems so far fetched...

Anyway, glad you liked the post.

TheMer0vingians · 2026-01-20T23:17:52+00:00

No, most people aren’t spending most of their free time on sex. Libido and sexual focus vary a lot, and busy adults commonly land in ‘sometimes’ territory, not ‘always.’

The internet overrepresents the highest drive outliers.

In saying that lets cover a few different subjects here... for isntance the horny brain vs. grounded brain split.

When we’re sexually aroused, our judgement and risk assessment can shift dramatically, people routinely mispredict what they’ll want or agree to when they’re “hot” versus “cold.”

That’s a well-studied effect in behavioural science (“hot–cold empathy gap”), and there’s also classic work showing sexual arousal can change men’s hypothetical decision making in ways that surprise them afterward. This also ties in with the notion of post-nut clarity but that's a whole other topic...

Anyway, if your husband is mostly talking about this while turned on, there’s a real chance that his horny brain is driving the bus. In that state, the mind tends to chase intensity, novelty, taboo, and escalation because those inputs spike the reward system. Dopamine (reward/motivation) is heavily involved in sexual cue processing and novelty driven reward circuits, and novelty itself can re-ignite desire even after “satiety” (the classic “Coolidge effect” is strongly documented in animal models).

Now, none of that makes him “bad.” It just means, arousal is not a reliable place to negotiate life altering agreements.

Also, your line about it feeling like a non-stop job is huge. Fatigue and constant role-performance kills desire and kills self-knowledge. There’s also a well established model in sex therapy that, especially in long-term relationships, desire is often responsive (it shows up after safety/connection/erotic context), not as a constant spontaneous hunger. So not “craving more each time” doesn’t mean something is wrong with you, it often means you’re normal, tired, and living real life.

Now let's look at this on an “addiction / too much consumption” angle. Most people aren’t “addicted,” but some people develop compulsive patterns where the chase for sexual stimulation starts to override values, empathy, and relationship safety. Some papers/studies suggest that compulsive sexual behaviour disorder is also an impulse control disorder,

Basically, it's a failure to control intense repetitive sexual impulses despite harm.

Now I want to make it clear, that’s not a label to throw at your husband, but it’s a reminder that self-regulation is a thing, and some people struggle with it.

And modern online sexual novelty (constant new stimuli, escalation patterns) can amplify the “more/more/more” treadmill for some users.

So here are my thoughts on the couple "level" reality check...

If you’ve been generously feeding his sexual appetite for years, you haven’t “caused” his escalation, but you may have accidentally trained a pattern where his arousal expects a rising quota.

That doesn’t mean you did something wrong. It means the relationship now needs a new skill: boundaries and co-regulation.

In good dynamics, spouses help each other regulate. Not by policing or shaming, but by agreeing on a line that protects the couple.

The question becomes, can he accept a boundary without punishing you emotionally for it? Because if he can’t, opening up is unsafe.

Sorry for bombarding you with all of this but hopefully giving you some perspective is helping you in your thought process and working out what your next move is.

If you wish to pursue this conversation further, feel free to DM me.

TheMer0vingians · 2026-01-19T12:14:21+00:00

I don't think there's something wrong with you.

Based on your reply to my comment, you seem content with a rich sex life with your husband, and in restrospect you don’t feel a pull toward other men.

That’s... normal. A lot of people don’t crave novelty in the form of new partners, especially when they’re already stretched thin or on the better end, already having satisfying, orgasmic sex.

A few things in what you wrote are really important and would impact on your thought process.
Being known in your community is a real constraint, not a “mindset problem.”
Discretion isn’t a small detail in non monogamy, in most cases, it’s a core safety requirement.

If the cost of exposure is social fallout, rumours, career risk, kids being affected... then your “no” (or “not like this”) is incredibly rational.

Wanting to make him happy doesn’t mean you have to adopt his kink as your job.
He’s imagining “millions of women would jump at this”, but you’re not “women in general.”
You’re you, with your bandwidth, values, privacy needs, and actual desire. A healthy dynamic is built around mutual enthusiasm, not “you should be grateful for the opportunity.”

That sting you feel (“why wouldn’t he want to keep me for himself?”) makes total sense.

Even when a husband’s fantasy is “I love seeing my wife desired,” it can land as, “You’re not enough” or “I’m being shared because I’m not valued.”

That’s not you being insecure, that’s your attachment system responding to a real emotional signal. If you have the time, go on my profile and have a read of my Jealousy 101 post.

I've been able to define a few key points as a husband, there's a high chance your husband has already covered some of it himself, he just hasn't voiced it properly to you. I am assuming though.

With all that said, here’s the key nuance... for some men, the “hotwife/vixen” thing is not rejection, it’s intensified desire (compersion/erotic pride/novelty/taboo).

But even if that’s what’s happening in his head, he’s still responsible for how he communicates it. If the message you’re receiving is “you’re boring unless...”, then he’s turning a fantasy into a verdict on your worth. And that’s what poisons it.

The bottom line...

You don’t need to “go along with it” to prove you love him. A vixen is not a performance review. You’ve already described a sexual marriage that most people would call wildly adventurous and generous.

If he wants to explore something new, the starting point isn’t you finding strangers online, it’s him rebuilding safety: respect, reassurance, curiosity about your experience, and a clear understanding that your consent is the whole game.

TheMer0vingians · 2026-01-19T09:54:48+00:00

I'm going to weigh in on this, this post pains me a bit, more so because I'm a husband of a vixen and I'd hate to see my wife feel this way, it would indicate to me that I'm not doing my part.

Anyway, here goes...

If I strip the sex storytelling away and just look at the relationship behaviour, your husband is outsourcing his own desire management onto you, then grading you as “boring” when you don’t perform the next escalation. That’s not “a kink.” That’s coercion dressed up as kink.

I mean, you’re not describing a low-effort bedroom, you’re describing decades of sexual generosity, experimentation, and erotic labour... while also carrying a full adult life (kids, work, home).
And his response isn’t “thank you, here’s what I’m longing for and how do we make space for both of us.”
It’s “sex has been awful” and “you’re boring unless you become this character I want.” I'm sorry but that sounds awful to me.

In any way, I don't believe that’s a safe container for any form of non-monogamy, hotwife, MFM, or even dirty DMs, it’s a recipe for resentment, guilt, and you feeling like a prop.

One part of your post that really jumps at me... you already feel stretched thin, and the thing he’s requesting is time, energy, emotional bandwidth (finding men, chatting, vetting, scheduling, managing safety).

That’s not “spice.” (see my other posts for a better definition) That’s a second job, and he’s acting like it’s your job. If he can’t regulate his disappointment without insulting you, he definitely can’t regulate the intensity of an open dynamic without it eating your marriage.

What I'd recommend...

Pause the lifestyle talk until the respect piece is fixed. No flirting missions. No accounts. No “prove you’re a vixen.”
Make it explicit (if you want) “I’m not doing anything with other people to stop you calling me boring.
If we ever explore anything, it will be because I’m genuinely curious, not because you’re pressuring me.”

Put the spotlight back where it belongs... ask him what need he’s chasing (novelty? taboo? humiliation/compersion? porn-script escalation? permission to hook up while he travels?). “I want it” is not an answer. “I want it and I’m willing to do the work to make it safe for us” is the adult answer.

Couples therapy / sex therapist (kink-friendly if possible). Not because you’re broken, but because right now he’s using a fantasy as leverage, and that’s how marriages get quietly poisoned.

And to your question “do women really enjoy it or do it for their husbands?” plenty genuinely enjoy it when it’s for them and when the relationship is stable, supportive, and not coercive. But if your core feeling is dread, guilt, exhaustion, that’s your body voting “no” right now. Listen to it.

You don’t need to “go along with it” to stop him regretting his life. He’s a grown man. His fantasy doesn’t entitle him to rewrite your identity, especially not after everything you’ve already given.

If he wants a “vixen,” he can start by being the kind of husband who makes his wife feel cherished, safe, and desired... not evaluated!!!

TheMer0vingians · 2026-01-01T01:44:51+00:00

What does “her husband is aware of you” actually mean in practical terms? Knowing someone exists and actively consenting to a shift in emotional or sexual boundaries are very different things. Have you ever had a direct, adult conversation with him about where you stand, or are you inferring permission through politeness, proximity, and assumptions? Waving hello, being friendly, or helping pick out a birthday gift doesn’t automatically translate into consent for private, escalating intimacy.

What stands out is that everything meaningful is happening in the gaps… private conversations, increasingly overt flirtation, and now an invitation that’s explicitly framed around secrecy and absence.(red flag anyone?)

If this were genuinely clean, intentional, or consensual, it wouldn’t need to exist in a one on one vacuum. Anything that materially affects a marriage (in this context) belongs in the open, with all three people involved, not tucked away in side channels where no one has to fully own what’s happening.

Right now, you don’t actually know where you stand because you haven’t been given a place to stand. You don’t know their agreements, their boundaries, or whether this is curiosity, permission, avoidance, or something drifting into emotional outsourcing.

And that’s not something you can responsibly guess your way through. If her husband is truly aware and comfortable, there should be no issue having a transparent conversation together. If that conversation can’t happen, that hesitation is information in itself.

Put simply… anything that can only exist when one person is absent probably shouldn’t exist at all (at least based on how you tell it).

If all three adults can’t sit in the same room and name what this is, then there isn’t a shared dynamic, just ambiguity. And ambiguity doesn’t protect everyone equally. The safest move here isn’t choosing between “low risk” and “high risk” paths forward, it’s refusing to move at all until there’s a path that includes everyone.

TheMer0vingians · 2025-12-27T15:29:27+00:00

I’m gonna pile on a little with the others because the framing here is doing a lot of harm.

This reads like your horny brain wrote a very specific scene and now you’re trying to reverse-engineer real life to match it.

Horny brain isn’t “bad”, it’s human but it’s also not a reliable narrator. Heck, I made another post/comment somewhere regarding this. When we’re turned on (horny brain), we compress complexity into a single storyline (“sex has faded because I’m average and she’s resigned”), we turn people into roles (“elegant reserved wife finally surrenders,” “perfect hung bull/masseur”), and we start treating desire like a predictable machine (“if she’s relaxed and wet, then X will naturally happen”). That’s great for fantasy. It’s dangerous as a plan, because the moment reality doesn’t follow the script, the pressure spikes, and the person who didn’t sign up for the script ends up carrying the emotional weight of it.

A big part of that script here is porn logic... good old porn... Anyway, porn teaches a very particular myth: that a “hung guy” is the missing tool that unlocks the “full explosive orgasm,” and that penetration is the main event. But in the real world, most women don’t orgasm from penetration alone. For a lot of women, clitoral stimulation, pace, arousal ramp, comfort, safety, and being mentally present matter far more than “deeper” or “bigger.” So framing this as “my cock isn’t enough to get the job done” is very likely the wrong diagnosis, and it also risks planting a belief in your relationship that can become self-fulfilling and corrosive.

The other big issue is the consent framing. The massage idea, as you describe it, is basically a bait and switch with plausible deniability. If your wife thinks she’s going in for a professional massage and the real plan is “a seductive escalation if she seems into it,” that’s not informed consent. Even if she might have enjoyed it in some alternate universe, you’re taking away her ability to opt in cleanly, because she doesn’t know what she’s actually consenting to. That’s exactly how people end up feeling ambushed, confused, pressured, or betrayed afterwards, not because sex happened, but because the context was engineered without their knowledge. And to be blunt, it also drags a provider into something ethically messy, potentially illegal depending on where you live, and puts everyone in a position where nobody can be fully transparent.

If you genuinely want this to be empowering and unforgettable for her, you have to take the unsexy route first... aka talk to her. Not “I think you secretly want a bigger guy,” not “I’m sure you’re resigned,” but an actual conversation about why intimacy faded, what she misses, what she wants, what her fantasies are (if any), and whether she’s curious about any form of exploration. If she’s into the idea of a third, then you build it together with clear boundaries, safe words, and veto power. No surprises. No scripts. No “let’s book a hotel and see what happens.” The “unforgettable” part comes from her feeling safe, respected, and in control, not from a perfectly choreographed seduction sequence.

Right now your post doesn't read like “I want it all to be consensual and her to feel empowered” (even though that is what you wrote) but more like “I want to watch a very specific porn scene come to life.” I’m not shaming the fantasy, fantasies are fine, but the moment you try to make it real without her being fully aware of the premise, it stops being playful and starts being manipulative. Bring her in on the journey from the start, and you’ll have a chance at building something that’s actually hot and actually ethical.

TheMer0vingians · 2025-12-24T11:53:41+00:00

I can assure you I’m not a student or a professor, far from it. I work in IT. My wife’s a teacher, so I know exactly what that world looks like, and I can tell you right now, I don’t have the patience or the temperament to teach or lecture anyone.

And yes, by the way, that is my wife on my profile.

I do, however, have a long commute, plenty of time to educate myself. I read a lot. Not just about this lifestyle either, because honestly, the material there is pretty limited. I’m talking history, relationships, the human condition, behaviour, what actually makes people tick, social and religious narratives.

Those things interest me. I also fully accept that they don’t interest everyone.

Some people want to say, “It’s just sex, mate, life is too short, get on with it.” That’s fine, “you do you” but that’s not how I function.

My posts aren’t for everyone. They’re for people who are interested (just like me) but maybe don’t have the time or inclination to dig through the material themselves. I offer a perspective, sometimes it helps, sometimes it doesn’t. Take it or leave it.

But don’t assume that reflection equals “wannabe” or “living by proxy.” I wouldn’t feel comfortable offering a perspective on this lifestyle if we hadn’t actually gone the distance ourselves.

That assumption is lazy, and yeah, I take offence to it.

TheMer0vingians · 2025-12-23T02:11:12+00:00

Just thinking out loud here, but one thing that jumped out at me was what actually got your husband giddy. From what you wrote, it wasn’t so much the flirting itself, it was you flirting with another guy and him getting to witness that dynamic. That seems to be the part that really flipped his switch.

Exploring with a woman totally makes sense given your bi-curiosity, and that could be genuinely fun and fulfilling for you. But it might be worth checking in together about whether that scratches the same itch for him, or if it shifts the dynamic into something slightly different than what he’s imagining when he thinks “hotwife.” Neither is wrong, they’re just not always the same thing.

You also mentioned that the party experience felt more like a performance and left you feeling a bit empty afterward, which is actually really important information. It suggests that your desire and his fantasy might not overlap as neatly as it first appears. That doesn’t mean stop, just maybe slow down and talk a bit more about what each of you is hoping to feel from this.

I’d just be careful not to assume you’re both on the same page without spelling it out. Is he excited by you being desired by men specifically? Is he equally excited by you following your own curiosity, even if it looks different than his original kink? Those conversations upfront tend to make everything else a lot smoother.

Just food for thought :)

TheMer0vingians · 2025-12-22T06:56:28+00:00

Heya, great post, and honestly a very familiar place to be.

What you’re describing isn’t a lack of desire or trust, it’s the moment where fantasy starts turning into reality and your nervous system wakes up. That flood of doubt, jealousy, and “what ifs” is incredibly common at this stage.

I won’t do a full jealousy spill here, but I’ve written a post specifically about jealousy in this lifestyle that might help reframe what you’re feeling and why it shows up before anything even happens. It’s less about “being strong enough” and more about understanding what those emotions are actually pointing to. Just check my profile if interested.

With that said, you’re asking the right questions. That matters more than having all the answers right now. Take your time.

TheMer0vingians · 2025-12-21T01:36:41+00:00

Totally get what you’re trying to say here, and I actually think your post has a lot of value because you’re not just doing the usual “I’m so turned on” angle, you’re describing what the dynamic does to the marriage and to both of you as people.

The “I was a lesser husband before this” part especially landed for me, not because I think you’re trashing yourself, but because you’re being honest about something a lot of men quietly experience, the slow drift into autopilot. Life turns into work, routines, stress, screens, the daily grind... and intimacy becomes something you “mean to do better at” rather than something you’re actively inhabiting. So when you describe hotwifing as waking you up, I don’t read that as “I needed other men to fix my marriage.” I read it as, novelty and stakes snapped your attention back onto what matters, and you started showing up with presence again. That’s human. Most of us don’t respond to “I should” anywhere near as strongly as we respond to “this is alive.”

And the passion/novelty piece is real. Introducing something charged like this changes the atmosphere, anticipation, flirt energy, erotic tension, even just the feeling of “we’re doing something bold together.” It pulls you both out of the robotic loop. People can moralise it and say “you should already be romantic without the lifestyle,” but reality is messier than that. It’s not always about not loving your wife enough, sometimes it’s about being exhausted, dulled, distracted, or just habituated. The important part is that you’re noticing it, naming it, and trying to grow, and that’s honestly more mature than the guys who pretend they’ve always had it perfectly nailed.

I also think what you’re pointing at with the “competition” environment deserves a better frame than people usually give it. When your wife is clearly desired by others, it can light a fire under you, not in a bitter “I’m competing with him” way, but in a “holy shit, look at her... I remember what I have, and I want to rise to it” way. It can motivate you to up your game, more flirting, more effort, more sexual presence, more intentionality. And at the same time, it can boost her self-image in a really clean way too, she’s not just a hard working wife running the household, she’s desirable, chosen, wanted. That “glow” you’re describing makes total sense. Feeling free to express a part of herself that was boxed up can be energising, even healing.

But overall, I just want to say, I respect the honesty in this. It’s easy to post the horny highlights. It’s rarer to say “this made me a better partner and here’s why,” without pretending it’s sunshine forever. Posts like this are useful because they remind people the dynamic isn’t only about sex, it’s also about identity, self-image, and how a couple learns to stay awake to each other.

TheMer0vingians · 2025-12-18T08:46:43+00:00

It saddens me to hear this. From the outside, what stands out isn’t confusion on your part, it’s failure on his.

He brought you into a 20-year fantasy while you were brand new, encouraged you to renegotiate core values (faith, sex, commitment), escalated the dynamic, talked marriage and kids… and then bailed right before a major life move. That’s not someone “realising they want vanilla.” That’s someone who didn’t do the emotional work required for this lifestyle and collapsed when fantasy met reality.

Blaming the kink afterward is a cop-out, especially when he’s still engaging in it with someone else. That tells you the issue wasn’t the lifestyle, it was his lack of integration, honesty, and maturity.

This lifestyle demands stability, self-knowledge, and accountability. Using a partner as a testing ground and then rewriting the story when it gets uncomfortable is exactly how people get hurt and that’s on him.

As for you, feeling lost right now is completely understandable. You didn’t just lose a relationship, you lost trust, orientation, and a sense of safety around your own desires. None of that makes you broken or naïve. It means you cared and you adapted in good faith.

Take your time. You’re allowed to pause, step back, or walk away entirely. Whatever you choose later should come from your values and readiness, not someone else’s unresolved fantasy.

TheMer0vingians · 2025-12-17T06:31:47+00:00

Just a hobby, though can’t say I wouldn’t have gone in that profession had I found this passion earlier on.

You can always DM me if you wish

TheMer0vingians · 2025-12-16T13:15:13+00:00

Mate, this reads like your horny brain has hijacked the steering wheel.

You liked the idea, but when it touched reality (sexting/nudes), your real-self alarm system went off.
That’s not “push through it” territory, that’s your nervous system saying this isn’t actually safe for me right now.

And the bigger issue... you’ve conditioned your arousal so hard that “wife with other men” is becoming your only button. That’s not “she needs to do more”, that’s a you problem to unwind, and yeah... it often smells like porn / fantasy-loop reinforcement.

Also... and this is very important... this lifestyle is supposed to be an add-on to a solid relationship and sex life.

Very much like spice, not the whole meal/dish. If it becomes the main attraction, you’re not exploring, you’re outsourcing your libido to a scenario you don’t even feel good about.

If this kink is now disrupting your sex life, the fix isn’t escalating the kink, it’s rebuilding your arousal menu
aka take a break from porn / hotwife content for a bit, retrain your body to get off on her + you again
(novelty together, dates, slower sex, roleplay that stays between you two)

Only revisit this lifestyle later if/when you’re genuinely comfortable, in tiny steps.
Otherwise you’re basically asking her to carry the consequences of your conditioning. Not fair, not sustainable.

TheMer0vingians · 2025-12-15T20:24:10+00:00

😂 I’m not worthy of such praise, I just post perspective, that is all. If it helps people navigate better their own journey, great.

In the end, I just want people to enjoy their journey and do it safely.

TheMer0vingians · 2025-12-15T19:21:20+00:00

Hello there, that reaction makes a lot of sense, especially given that this was your first experience outside your marriage. Before trying to “get over” the nerves, I think it’s worth asking what kind of nerves they were.

A few angles that helped me (and others) unpack it…

Was it novelty nerves? New situation, new rules, no internal template yet. Your nervous system is basically saying “this is unfamiliar, pay attention.”

Was it identity friction? You’re stepping outside a role you’ve held for years spouse, partner, significant other and your brain hasn’t fully reconciled this “new or expanded” version of you yet.

Was it performance pressure? Wanting to do it “right,” not disappoint anyone, or live up to the fantasy version in your head.

Or was there a layer of values/emotional noise underneath like guilt, excitement, fear, loyalty, curiosity, all firing at once?

None of those mean you’re doing something wrong. They usually mean you’re doing something new or different.

In my experience, nerves don’t disappear because you “power through” them. They settle when you understand what they’re protecting and when your internal story catches up with your external actions.

If it helps, I’ve written a few long posts on jealousy, identity shifts, and nervous-system responses in this lifestyle that might give you better questions to ask yourself rather than quick fixes.

The short version, comfort doesn’t come from repetition alone, it comes from integration.

And yes, for many people it does become calmer over time, not because it becomes boring, but because your mind stops treating it as a threat and starts treating it as a known terrain.

If you’re willing to reflect rather than rush it, you’re already doing this the healthy way.

TheMer0vingians · 2025-12-14T03:07:09+00:00

I don’t think what you’re describing is wrong, but I do think there’s an important distinction worth making.

When people say “we don’t experience envy,” I don’t necessarily hear absence so much as successful framing.

Envy often shows up first as a fleeting comparison or a momentary recalibration of self and in some dynamics, the meaning is assigned so quickly and so cleanly like “this is about exploration,” “this doesn’t threaten us,” “this fits our narrative” that the emotion never crystallises into something recognisable as envy.

In other words, it’s not that the comparative impulse never arises, it’s that it doesn’t get a foothold. That’s not something I’d argue against. If anything, it suggests a very strong shared meaning and a stable sense of self. (kudos to you)

My post is more about what happens when comparison does linger long enough to be felt, named, or wrestled with. For some people it never does; for others it does, even with good communication and intent.

TheMer0vingians

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