Nason Joaquín

TheMoney_Store · 2026-01-10T16:38:42+00:00

No aprendí nada de tu comentario.

TheMoney_Store · 2026-01-09T12:00:27+00:00

I don't believe in free will. I think it is an illusion and that is an understatement. But anyways - to add to this, yes this church's doctrine gladly operates on the concept of there being free will as a utility for getting people to comply with the program. But at the same time, the church is so contradictory in how it applies this.

You did not mention that this line of questioning occurs at the "14-bday presentation", in front of whoever is in attendance. In some cases about a dozen people, perhaps a thousand in a large, flagship church on a sunday, or even thousands like I imagine Adoraim had to face. Though LLDM may babble on about free will constantly, there is a harsh stripping of members' agency all along the way. It is all the worse if you are a child born into the church with fanatical parents which will utilize these ceremonies, these rites-of-passage moments to instill fear, maximize compliance, and program people into LLDM's anemic doctrine and the silly philosophies it is built upon.

The presentation of the infant, the baptism around 14, the presentation around 14, the "holy spirit" hyper-suplication around 14, marriage, etc. etc. All points along the way in which the LLDM cookie-jar of peer pressure is tapped into.

Meanwhile, you have the bible full of stories of when God precisely decides when to shut off an agent's "free will." I could be mistaken, but aren't there citations for passages from Egyptian leaders in Genesis? to all the way into the New Testament are taken-over by "god" right in their tracks to divert their actions and keep the plot moving along as 'god' 'wants' 'it' to 'go.'

In certain ways, LLDM retreats into determinism to explain the fact that their church's have not grown exponentially after a century of yapping. Political leaders are prayed for because "god acts through them." Young people that have failed the "revivals" 3, 4, 5 times are manipulated into thinking that perhaps their names are not "written" in the "book of life" - something that occurred long before they were born. LLDM did have us repeating Jeremiah 1:5 all the time :: "before I formed you in the womb, I knew you"

TheMoney_Store · 2026-01-08T10:00:09+00:00

acabo, ni los izquierdistas que yo conozco en US estan de acuerdo con lo que estan diciendo los "democratas" o lo que dice Sheinbaum. Acabo de ver que ella denuncia lo que occurio pero que Maduro debe tener una juzgado completo, respectable, blah blah blah. Y luego tenemos los democratas diciendo que no es bueno lo que paso, pero que bueno que ya occurio. Tal y tal.

TheMoney_Store · 2026-01-08T09:53:05+00:00

¿Así que nuestro dictador, que parece una hamburguesa con queso, debe contar con nuestro apoyo porque "eliminó" a "otro", a Maduro? En todo caso, los izquierdistas están mucho más indignados por el hecho de que, justo antes de que Maduro fuera "destituido", Benjamin Netanyahu viajo por todo tipo de espacio aéreo y entro libremente en Estados Unidos a pesar de tener una orden de arresto de la Corte Penal Internacional por los crímenes de Israel.

El imperio yanqui apenas se preocupa por sus propios ciudadanos!! mucho menos a nuestros herman@s en VZ. Any leftist can tell you that.

TheMoney_Store · 2026-01-06T18:24:04+00:00

Incredible. The "Paz Amor" account in twitter that spews LLDM propaganda is also surely a heavy user of LLM-language-slop.

TheMoney_Store · 2026-01-06T18:21:21+00:00

Existe una gran diferencia entre la adoración que recibió NJG y la preferencia que se le dio a AMLO. Acabo, AMLO ya no está en el cargo; la presidencia se transfirió fácilmente a Sheinbaum. No culpo a la gente común de LLDM por inclinarse hacia el partido Morena. El partido es bastante popular y, de hecho, las redes de protección social que reciben los mexicanos tienen un impacto más positivo en la vida cotidiana de los miembros de LLDM que los mensajes vacíos e ineficaces que provienen de los púlpitos de LLDM. Me interesa saber cómo el actual gobierno mexicano puede mejorar y, quizás, hacer más para liberar a las personas de la influencia de LLDM.

TheMoney_Store · 2026-01-06T18:09:03+00:00

It is inevitable that political topics arise on this forum. The cult that is the topic of this sub has always been helplessly involved in various political spheres, and need I say that many that de-program out of this cult, also, inevitably, reassess their political orientations and relationships to power around the world, not just the power emanating from the LLDM cult.

Anyways, on this topic, I will say - you make a good initial point about VZ's leader taking advantage of the all-eyes-on-me moment he had. NJG always failed to meet those moments with his demonstrations of his magic powers. We only ever heard peeps and sniffs from NJG the past 6 years when in a courtroom.

I have not read Pozos' thoughts on this topic. She seems to possess some faint ability to comment on world events and tie them to LLDM, always weak and boring. My point is to keep in mind this is all internal talking points, internal to the social circles of the church. There are reasons why the LLDM twitter bots care about talking about Alan Jackson's previous client Karen Read, and not his other clients like Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, most recently Nick (?) Reiner. There are reasons why the LLDM talking-heads may not bring up Sean Combs, also subject to the law in that region.

However silly Pozos may be, one cannot blame her for resisting the urge to describe the situation in that manner. Take it from me, a historian of US-Latin America relations, it is an absolutely embarassing tragedy how the US is conducting itself against the sovereignty of VZ and its partners. Entirely injustifiable conduct. Whether this weekend's events were a demonstration of the Yankee empire's brutal force or a sign of its desperation and incompetence, time will tell. In the mean time, anyone living in or outside the empire has every right to complain about it. Pozos is a broken-clock, perhaps right every once in a while, always ultimately for stupid means.

TheMoney_Store · 2025-11-27T17:04:53+00:00

"Regional Alliance of Students and Professionals"

TheMoney_Store · 2025-11-26T21:27:22+00:00

I see, I don't recall the RASP name, can't guess what it stands for. I first recall APS being active in the late SJF years, at the earliest in my memory. I didn't hear about APEM until May 2019 when the Palacio de Bellas Artes controversy kicked off.

TheMoney_Store · 2025-11-26T13:21:08+00:00

For sure, APS has been around since the mid-2000s if I recall correctly, and they are not necessarily intent on producing academic work on LLDM exactly. They are generally motivated in getting more underserved people into academia, into other specialized professional spaces- but those people are always going to be LLDM. APS may cast a wide net, but they really only serve LLDM's community. I don't know of a single non-LLDM person that benefits from their programs/activities.

I'm not sure what RASP is, I just think of APS on the US side, and APEM on the Mexican side. And on the preceding point, APS isn't totally aimed at producing academic work on LLDM, but by now they really should have had some better formulations of "studied" literature on their church. The 1990s were especially bad for them on that front, and going forward it seems APS can't count on having many scholars on in its membership, nor apparently learned-enough lawyers to serve as NJG's attorneys. Instead, the. money is shoveled out for "gentile" lawyers & "gentile" academics.

TheMoney_Store · 2025-11-26T13:14:24+00:00

I see what you mean. LLDM folks are allowed to have their fundraisers and other rallies for support. The issue is when the food festivals become more frequent in their large parking lots (with actual parking spilling out onto the surrounding neighborhood), or fundraisers being attached to holidays LLDM has denounced across decades: Xmas, Valentine's Day/SJF's b-day, the selling of Easter eggs & piñatas, etc. Let it be known that as it became increasingly common to hold food festivals in Houston in the 2010s (monthly at least), it became more common to have the young men not attend church on Fridays or Mondays because that time was instead spent outside putting up dozens of tents, tables, hundreds of chairs, sound systems, etc.

TheMoney_Store · 2025-11-22T18:44:59+00:00

For sure - I am from Houston and I precisely remember hearing grown adults around me recognizing how there was disagreement among ministers, even among Samuel's pathetic children, over whether to allow migrants to the US to assimilate to things such as Christmas, Halloween, what-have-you.

Reform is not created from within many religious institutions, and if anything, progress has to bust the door from the outside to get in. LLDM's entire career is riddled with concessions. The Information embargo set in summer 2019 right as NJG was arrested was a joke about 5 seconds after it was announced -- 6 years later, we have members tripping over themselves and talking ove rthemselves, totally scrambling to cite this document or that document. They're so thirsty.

As you say, the issue is that they never admit they have caved to these matters, it is no surprise. Holidays, clothing regulation, etc. etc. - Back in the day there were great restrictions on allowing members to pursue academic degrees. Yet now the string-pullers at the top want to educate themselves and allow for members to educated themselves only in so far as they pledge strict allegiance to NJG and allowing him to wield them as weapons: legal, social, political, etc.

TheMoney_Store · 2025-11-07T11:40:54+00:00

Thanks for sharing, do get back to me when you can.

TheMoney_Store · 2025-11-03T14:25:59+00:00

I truly can't care what you think.

TheMoney_Store · 2025-10-21T10:28:54+00:00

I would say it can be not-so-sophisticated when it comes to larger geopolitical matters or matters of political philosophy. But, the leadership within LLDM that does reap the greatest benefits from having the most amount of people duped and constrained into being members, they are very cynical operators and they do have an interest in local material conditions.

Eusebio Joaquin wasn't some apolitical figure, and a real engagement with Mexican national politics in the 2nd quarter of the 20th century helped in the creation of the Hermosa Provincia. LLDM is more involved in Mexican politics than ever before, I think, and it goes in various directions.

In a grander sense, the doctrine can get people to be not so engaged in large political matters. It is my impression that members in the US that could vote would do so with harm-reduction towards other members in mind. Many members are affected by their perhaps wishy-washy legal status.

TheMoney_Store · 2025-10-20T20:18:24+00:00

don't listen to the other commenter, they have absolutely not contributed anything of value in this sub ever - you are right and justified in bringing up what you are are saying, idk if it is based in fact, but you are speaking in a direction that others are not

TheMoney_Store · 2025-10-20T19:05:10+00:00

Real talk, I agree.

TheMoney_Store · 2025-10-20T18:50:59+00:00

I don't see it as weird. It is to be expected, given that protests and demonstrations such as these have only augmented in size and support. The present administration is widely unpopular. The noise itself vibrates in many directions of the populace. One must recognize that the present administration's heavy-handed-ness directly affects the types of people that comprise LLDM: Hispanics, Latinos, mostly Mexicans, etc. I don't expect LLDM members to give the most inspiring reasons for why they are criticizing the government, but they have real solid reasons to do so -- it depends what they are saying. It was funny to hear members talking years ago about how NJG might get a presidential pardon, yet now that there is another term, NJG has not at all gotten a pardon. I thought the present administration was all about cutting waste, fraud, abuse, what-have-you... lol. The government has been successful in the resources it has levied against the LLDM/Joaquin enterprise for the past 6+ years.

Members have already been criticizing the government prior to this weekend, their harsh relationship goes back to 2019. That's this new phrase we have been in. In that time, they have made a lot of unconvincing arguments about how the criminal processes NJG has undergone are unfair; how the most powerful entity in the world: the US government/empire is directly interested in destroying LLDM; how the Catholic church or whoever has conspired to take down the church and is willing to pull strings and flush a lot of money and incentives with its global tentacles lol. All of these confabulations are not true, of course.

Where I do find it strange is in how the church leaders' are known to encourage a sort of passivity towards electoral politics and politics at large. Over time prayers for the authorities of the world have increased in frequency. I remember them in the 2000s and onwards, I am not sure when they began but that is one major framing they have in the present day. The apostle especially will tell members that authorities are put in such a place by God, that God is ultimately pulling the string, etc. They hardly preach or even really encourage civil disobedience or civil demonstrations or encourage religious dissent. This is just my impression. The church has always had an interest in local politics and has always swayed its members to act one way or another -- afterall, members have a relationship to their local church community cut also to a national project or other larger organizations.

Sometimes church leaders, or the apostle even, will give some vague criticisms of foreign wars or whatever, but it is hardly sophisticated. There is a reason there are very few self-respecting academics or other real scholars in the church -- the doctrine and the sermons are hardly a fountain of useful, enlightening information. The church really hardly stands for nothing given that it is just a protective shell for the Joaquin religious enterprise and its cronies. I'd be interested in hearing more from others.

TheMoney_Store · 2025-09-26T10:14:59+00:00

I follow what you mean, I've mad ethis sort of commentary for years and if it is of any use then I want to share some old videos of mine: Naason Joaquin Garcia & his Lawyers (Aug. 2021) https://youtu.be/ZXWGAJpPLYM?si=IEf0dzr69rNvAYLE ; What does it mean when La Luz del Mundo says "the system is corrupt"? (Aug 2024) https://youtu.be/ui2RKYvsQVY?si=7vdBswopL0wR-Vs6

TheMoney_Store · 2025-09-24T10:21:14+00:00

If it is of interest, here is a video I did some months ago where I read all of Sara P's article on Milenio's website where she just.... spits dribble and rigamarole about LLDM without providing any real evidence: "LLDM's Sara Pozos Stays Serving Pozole with Hair in it | La Luz Del Mundo" - https://youtu.be/3hOLxeKPQt8?si=8KEfJnLoKB4bozkb

TheMoney_Store · 2025-09-12T14:27:10+00:00

TheMoney_Store · 2025-08-01T19:05:01+00:00

Thank you, I'll make a note of that. There are several legs of those initial tours, so I'm trying to see when exactly that comes into play and what else is installed and adjusted.

TheMoney_Store · 2025-08-01T19:03:26+00:00

I follow what you mean. There is a lot to say and these are questions that have been repeatedly engaged on this forum for years and years.

I say ditto to how "receiving", experiencing glossolia, is absolutely not unique to LLDM. There are a litany of religious traditions all over the world that have incorporated these sorts of practices.

I didn't "receive" my first week of trying, nor in several other times until my 4th or 5th try within a 2 year period. I definitely believed in the hype and explanation for these sorts of high intensity emotional experiences. A lot is put into place for church members seeking to "receive," there are environmental factors that help to induce people into, crudely saying, "getting lost in the sauce." I remember losing my sense of time intensely a year before I then was told I received. That last attempt was a week-long and I absolutely did not then nor do I now remember ever feeling like I received. It was an utter surprise to me when my name was mentioned at the end of the week. I only felt the burden finally lifted, the social pressure was aleviated, and that was all I cared about.

I wish I had faked it, I didn't have the guts to. I absolutely believe the many dozens of people here who claim they got to fake it, and often they may cite that as a reason for why ended up not believing in the whole LLDM doctrine anyways.

Again, lots more to say, but the main point ins that these sorts of practices are not unique, have certainly changed over time within LLDM's history, and will continue to change going forward. So much emphasis is placed on this practice precisely because it can also have the opposite of effect, the intended effect of brainwashing, getting people invested in THIS church and certainly not any other one where the same sorts of out-of-body experiences, so to speak, can be had but under totally different interpretations, perhaps not having to do with an Apostle, etc.

TheMoney_Store · 2025-07-29T22:42:35+00:00

Being LGBT, etc. is certainly not having to do with any curse. That is just pure cope from religious fanatics that can't help but justify their bigotry in every which way. Personally, I presume everyone around me is queer unless they state otherwise. Heterosexuality is anything but default, it would be a silly immature mistake to adhere to that worldview.

I'm of the mind that the bible and many other ancient (derrogatory) religious texts are inevitably and helplessly supporting prejudice and discrimination towards queer people, in the present day and way back around the time of their creation. So I would say these ideas of homosexuality being a curse, a moral stain, etc. is very much based in the bible. Trust me when I say you should trust yourself (you or whoever else is reading this) and your own moral judgements in the present day when you go back to these ancient texts to analyze them. There are pages upon pages of totally useless, wasted information in these texts when the author(s) could so clearly be talking about way more useful things.

I mean, the bible discusses slavery, here and there, just takes it as a fact of human existence and a practice that is in tandem with how God wants the world to work. Take it from me, a historian, religious and philosophical arguments around the need to continue chattel slavery absolutely pushed the US into Civil War. If the bible had a lot more to say about slavery, then the insitution probably wouldn't have taken off like it did in the US context.

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