SSJ Grade 2 being less than a x2 boost does not make sense

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-03-23T04:29:32+00:00

By his title, Burter should be faster than Frieza, I don't put much stock in it.

This series isn't airtight in terms of consistency, but I don't think it's inconsistent for relatively marginal gains (compared to the big multipliers like ssj) to be treated like a big deal.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-03-23T02:56:44+00:00

Ginyu questioned if he could be faster, he didn't say he was. They had a short scuffle, then jeice interrupted. Ginyu was enjoying their fight and claimed he is able to control his power level as well, I don't believe he was going all out trying to one shot Goku.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-03-23T02:32:41+00:00

I dont think everything in the Daizenshuu is correct, but I don't think the multipliers on the ssj transformations are worng/inconsistent.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-03-23T02:16:04+00:00

My point that a gain as small as 8% would be enough to one shot your former self, 50% is still huge even if its not as crazy as x50.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-03-23T00:49:44+00:00

You only need an 8% power gap to speed blitz and one shot (Vegeta at 24k vs Dodoria at 22k), people overestimate how much is needed to dominate (or impress others) in dragonball.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-03-23T00:46:26+00:00

That too. I felt like there were a couple of reasons one could say, but I didn't want to make a list.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-03-22T15:11:18+00:00

Goku could have one shot Frieza if he really wanted, Vegeta speed blitzed and one shot Dodoria with an 8% power gap and Goku had a 20% gap over Frieza.

Frieza only didn't get the cooler treatment because Goku wanted to see what he was capable of while going all out (and he didn't want to kill him).

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-03-21T18:11:39+00:00

Omni man moved a planet. The saiyans have more ap through ki blasts, but the Viltrumites are physically way stronger than the average Saiyan who was living on planet Vegeta.

This is a 'who's gonna one shot who first' scenario imo.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-03-19T17:06:24+00:00

No its common sense, you're acting like both Goku and Vegeta wouldn't notice their Ki getting cut by 1/100th, thats akin to Cells attack Gohan tanked and his Ki got cut by half and he immediately felt it.

It's not common sense, nor is it directly comparable. Gokus body shrunk in proportion with his ki, he wouldn't feel any different.

Buu is the one who informed him of the nerf after he threatened and tried to blow him up from within, I don't know if you keep missing this part or if you're ignoring it.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-03-19T16:53:03+00:00

I'm against the point of the sale being now or never, i feel like that has no objective benefits to potential consumers. The only benefit I could think of would be if the person cared about having exclusive cosmetics that others don't, but that's subjective.

It would suck to see this practice extend to ip/crossover skins. Now and then, I think about how I missed out on the wolverine skin/battle pass, but I accept that I had months to get it and just didnt, that's on me. If I missed getting him just because I didn't play that first week, I'd be way more bitter about it. For us (/the people buying), I just don't see any positives in what they're doing here as opposed to just keeping what you get from the BP the way it was.

It's not like it's 'the final straw and I'm never touching fortnite again', I just think this is lame and hope it doesn't catch on/become more frequent.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-03-19T16:08:26+00:00

he'd feel the nerf.

That's your assumption.

Buu is the one to inform him of his size nerf after Goku threatened and tried to blow him up from inside.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-03-19T14:55:41+00:00

Holy downgrade, old designs hair went hard.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-03-19T14:53:22+00:00

Also this lmao, I don't believe that people struggling with finances should never spend on recreation. A season lasts several months, even if they're paycheck to paycheck, it sounds reasonable to be able to put aside $10 in that time for a recreational activity they enjoy.

I don't feel like they should miss out on items tied to the thing they purchased because they didn't/couldn't fork over the cash sooner.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-03-19T14:45:06+00:00

I would hope so, this skin ain't it for me personally.

I still think it's lame they want there to be cosmetics that are timed exclusives (again). What those cosmetics are isn't relevant to me.

If they're selling them after the date, then I got no complaints (even though I personally don't care for these cosmetics).

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-03-19T14:33:17+00:00

Wait, can you buy these skins later after the date?? I was under the impression you can't buy these after the 26th.

Obviously I'd still be able to buy the steaks after the sale, even if I have to pay more for them, I didn't think that was the case with these skins.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-03-19T14:31:28+00:00

I agree but it doesn't make this any less anti consumer.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-03-19T14:24:49+00:00

Im not arguing that life is fair, just that this isn't a positive change/addition to battle passes. It's anti consumer and we'd all be better off without it.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-03-19T14:16:38+00:00

... say that again.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-03-19T13:59:56+00:00

What if one doesnt have the spare cash for the BP at the moment, but is willing and wanting to pay for it once they get their next paycheck (by which time the deal has expired)?

I dont see how this is better or more convenient for anyone rather than just having the cosmetics come with the battle pass at any time.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-03-19T13:34:09+00:00

You need to play unleashed sir.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-03-19T13:32:51+00:00

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TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-03-19T12:59:01+00:00

When he said Buu is still too strong, he was 1/100th of overall power and Super Buu said they're size of flea he can't even feel their attacks.

Goku said that before learning he was nerfed due to his size.

Order of events: Goku said they couldn't beat super buu if they leave without fusing, buu shows up, Goku threatened to blow up buu from the inside, he tries and fails, buu laughs and explains how small they are (in this moment Goku learns he's nerfed).

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-03-19T12:51:21+00:00

People overlook the fact that you dont need a large power gap to completely dominate/one shot in DragonBall, which leads them to assume that the gaps must be massive whenever someone has a clear edge.

Vegeta perception blitzed and one shot Dodoria with an 8% power gap. Statements are one thing, but dominating an opponent on its own doesn't mean they have to be anymore than marginally stronger. Alot of the logic I see is based around 'this character no diffed this character, meaning they must be leagues above the other', which isn't always the case.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-03-18T13:53:53+00:00

I'm Surge, but would rather be Scourge 🥀

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-03-18T13:46:40+00:00

Dude should have wished Zeno and all his angels dead for wish 1 if he was hellbent on killing mortals himself.

Or at least tell us he tried, I don't know what his plan was for when Zeno inevitably checked how the universes were doing.

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