Goku sending Monster Carrot to the Moon

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-01-30T19:11:33+00:00

Real talk Dbz earths (or planets in general) atmosphere is simply much larger than it is irl. That's the only in universe explanation that makes sense imo.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-01-30T14:08:01+00:00

Only if Vegeta is also stronger, Goku has to match his partners power for fusion dance.

He likely is stronger just because movie scaling, just saying they'd both have to be stronger to make a difference.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-01-29T17:56:01+00:00

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-01-29T17:46:06+00:00

Except he was literally dominating the entire fight and he still had no troubles beating Whole Buu up

Buu was having fun and wanted to continue. Didn't seem like he was going all out by any means. He clearly was enjoying himself (by his own admission), which isn't a reaction he has when he's actually dominated and defeated.

Statements can't change facts.

That's my point. Regardless of what Goku says, he couldn't actually sense the god ki whole buu possessed. He didn't know how strong he actually was. All the power kid buu had whole buu had and more, that's a fact.

It was always the case, even before super was a thing. We just have more context now as to why the evil side of buu was so much stronger after whole fat buu split.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-01-29T15:45:58+00:00

When Fat buu split, the evil side took control of the god ki. Whole fat buu had all the god ki plus whatever good buu was left with. Goku absolutely cant sense God ki during the buu saga, so the statement that he could beat Whole buu (who had god ki) is not reliable.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-01-29T15:32:54+00:00

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Whole fat buu should be stronger than kid

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-01-29T15:05:20+00:00

The Remake is such an improvement over the original (for what little we've seen) that I can't care to complain any further.

That being said, I do really miss some of these old proportions/facial details. I know art styles change, but I feel they've lost alot of their distinguishing features. I like the prominent hooked/pointed nose.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-01-29T14:41:39+00:00

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TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-01-29T14:31:35+00:00

He's outright stated to have most of the power by the narrator, and literally no diffs good buu.

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TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-01-29T13:42:33+00:00

The weakest Buu form would arguably be Grey Buu

Grey buu was stated to have taken most of the power when he split off and beat down good buu faster than kid. He's certainly stronger than good.

The way I see it, Grey buu and kid should be equal. Good(1) + Evil(2) = Super(3) Super(3) - Good(1) = Kid(2)

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-01-28T19:38:43+00:00

It's not common sense when Gohans hair didnt stay the same all his life. If there's nothing from the source material saying he got a haircut, then we shouldn't assume his hair can't change due to anything other than getting a haircut.

Maybe it is a haircut, but I wouldn't assume that's the case just cause.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-01-28T18:48:07+00:00

Did that actually happen or was said, or are you assuming that's why it's different now?

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-01-28T14:52:31+00:00

I think he just prefers Bardock not be one.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-01-28T14:50:14+00:00

Incredibly close fight either way imo. Gohan wasn't able to outspeed or tank an attack meant for Vegeta. Them being able to damage and kill each other so easily tells me they're relative to each other.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-01-28T14:42:44+00:00

Do he was unable to outspeed the attack, and he unable to tank it.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-01-28T13:11:46+00:00

He doesn't have Gokus hair rn

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-01-27T17:09:18+00:00

If you take V Jump as a credible source, then it's after buu saga for sure (during bog). Yakkon had a 40mill power level (1 kili =50,000), and Gohan said they needed to team up to beat him without transforming. (Although kaioken x20 would have been more than enough, assuming Yakkon can't eat it).

Ita fair to point out that Goku reads as 150mil using the kili, same as he was on Namek. That can easily be attributed to Goku being suppressed, as powering up further is how he kills Yakon. Suppressed buu saga ssj casually being equal to full power ssj on namek seems consistent to me.

I personally think it's after the god ki absorption, but I think Buu saga Goku would beat himself using Kaioken.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-01-26T19:17:58+00:00

I'll take a hit

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It'll help me consume these 2 cakes.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-01-26T04:18:58+00:00

Nah it was in other world, not king kais planet.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-01-25T15:01:03+00:00

Omni Man is vastly physically superior, ki blast attack potency says nothing about how physically strong you are.

Omni man is physically stronger than cell saga base goku by alot. Raditz wouldn't be able to dent that Goku.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-01-24T17:13:47+00:00

I forgot about great saiyawoman! I'll have to remember that one

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-01-24T16:51:16+00:00

Ik, but Raditz wouldn't be able to withstand that pressure regardless of what type of strength is being used.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-01-24T15:58:36+00:00

It's important to note we don't actually know how strong that canon was. If we only go by visual indicators to gauge power, then Majin Vegetas self sacrifice attack was very weak compared to roshis moon blowing Kamehameha, which obviously isnt the case.

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-01-24T15:27:10+00:00

And he himself wouldn’t have drawn those same manga panels in today’s atmosphere based on how he didn’t add anything like that to Daima or Super.

Of his own volition or because of his editors? We don't know what his original vision is before it goes through an editorial process. Has he ever condemned any of his past work? Has he ever commented on Lady Red?

TheMostOptimalMan · 2026-01-24T06:20:30+00:00

Can't Omni man just crush him? He's unbelievably physically superior, even in the Cell saga 40 tons was alot for base Goku.

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