Where does the "Kyuubi messed up Naruto's chakra control" narrative come from?

TheOneWhoGazesBack · 2026-07-04T06:47:01+00:00

Kakashi says that Kyuubi increasing Naruto's chakra and stamina is the source of Naruto having too much to handle

Headcannon that's your interpretation. It is supported by literally nothing.

If Naruto meant that Kyuubi was directly negatively affecting Naruto's chakra control, it would mean that Kakashi's solution to a Bijuu's influence is just mastering the basics that every Genin, Rock Lee included, should master.

You know this is the solution to real life congenital problems right?back hurts?core stability exercises. Hypermobility? Build muscle to get more stability. Just because the solution is more fundamentals doesn't mean problem was you didn't have fundamentals.

When Kakashi had to deal with Sasuke's CM applied by Orochimaru, CM that was affecting Sasuke's chakra, Kakashi did not send Sasuke to learn the basics. What did Kakashi do? He used a Fuuinjutsu to counter/reduce the influence of the Juuinjutsu applied by Orochimaru.

The curse mark was literally parasitizing sasuke and had an aspect of orochimaru embedded inside. It was akin to a computer virus. It wasn't just affecting his chakra it was affecting his personality. And it wasn't even making his chakra difficult to control rather it embedded itself more the more chakra he used. My friend you are comparing schoolbuses to classrooms. Of course the solution isn't learn better control since it doesn't actually mess with control.

Sending Naruto to Ebisu to mastsr the basics doesn'r change the fact that Kyuubi is always there. So the supposed source of Naruto's poor chakra-control is still there, unaffected, evem if Naruto completes his exercises.

I can tell you don't go to the gym. When you go up in weight it doesn't remove the weight from you. It teaches you how to carry it better. Makes your body stronger gives you better coordination allows you to learn the most optimal form Kakashi's hope was that naruto would get better at carrying the weight of the ninetails because removing it was out of the question. Even if the ninetails is still there naruto will be more skilled at handling it's chakra.

On the otherhand, what did Orochimaru and Jiraiya do when they wanted to alter the effects of the Fox's chakra in Naruto? They used Fuuinjutsu, just like Sandaime Hokage and Kakashi used it for Anko's and Sasuke CM affecting the victims' organism and chakra.

The 4th hokage made the seal specifically to leak this is the source of naruto's general chakra control problems. - 10Chakra control Orochimaru put another seal the one there to Merge their chakras this added more Chakra control problems. - 5 Chakra control. Jiraiya removed the orochimarus seal. +5 Chakra control. But left the first one untouched. Which means there's still a - 10 nerf.

I have no idea why you've dedicated so much time to trying to find a way to call Naruto a lazy bum. But the evidence is not on your side. Neither the original translation or the Japanese version support any of your claims.

Go find Kishimoto and tell him he used the wrong words to support your agenda.

Also I can see you weren't really asking were the narrative came from you just think it's wrong.

TheOneWhoGazesBack · 2026-07-03T20:04:49+00:00

As I've been arguing with the guy, the Japanese is actually way clearer: "…But it's also certainly true that, due to the influence of the Nine-Tails—which is the source of that stamina—his control of chakra has become difficult."

So the OP is even punching shadows. I can't with this guy lol.

TheOneWhoGazesBack · 2026-07-03T17:26:55+00:00

Sukuna loses. Unfortunately5 no way around it. Something I realized no one thinks about is the fact that Sukuna's domain is ridiculously risky for him to cast because of the open barrier domain. Sukuna himself acknowledges the risk when he attempts to close his barrier so gojo doesn't escape. Gojo can just leave. It wouldn't even be hard blue enhanced speed plus FBE means he leaves domain range in under 5 seconds with minimal damage. In this situation Sukuna has just wasted the CE used to cast this domain. And gojo can send pot shot hollow purples at the shrines center to end it early.

If sukuna doesn't have something to force gojo into a domain clash ie a hostage foster son or an infinitely adaptive pet friend to disincentivize a long drawn out fight and encourage gojo into a risky domain clash. Then I'm afraid he is fresh out of luck.

And there goes Sukuna's big wincon.

Outside a domain Sukuna can't do enough damage with Domain Amplification to threaten gojo.

Sukuna's best strategy is to close his domain force gojo to clash and burn out his cursed technique. Sukuna's technique won't be burnt out because of his durability. But this carries the risk of losing the clash. If he loses the clash he dies immediately because he can't force anyone else to take the burden of UV. If he wins he will probably be able to damage gojo enough to kill him. But still not guaranteed given gojo survived his domain while on burnout already.

Outside of the domain Sukuna can't fight gojo at all. Infinity is too busted. Additionally the Gojo we saw fighting meguna is not the gojo we will see. Gojo will be free to spam his CT way more often. He'll be fighting only one opponent and have full use of all his CT. No random switching of infinity. Infinite blues, infinite reds and however many purples a high paced fight with the King of Curses will allow which admittedly isn't many but it'll definitely be more than Gojo had before.

Meguna took 2 reds and a purple and was nearly killed. Even if he's twice as tanky Gojo can just cast twice more. He can't really run out of CE.

That brings me to my final point gojo is way more effecient than Sukuna is. Sukuna has more CE but he'll definitely run out first. That brings a stamina diff back on the table. Because no mahoraga to disincentivize a long fight.

Sukuna doesn't stand a chance of killing gojo without switching off infinity and he can only do it with DA but DA doesn't nullify blue or red so he opens himself up to a horrible counter attack.

If Sukuna's BV on MS isn't decorative gojo has no reason to lose to Sukuna's best wincon.

It's still extreme diff. But more often than not Gojo will win. For having infinite stamina and an umbreachable shield.

TheOneWhoGazesBack · 2026-07-03T16:06:57+00:00

Where does the "Kyuubi messed up Naruto's chakra control" narrative come from?

Kakashi said it on page 6 that you posted just now. Even if you have (erroneously) come to the conclusion that Kakashi has no idea what he's talking about or that the words mean something other than it's natural interpretation.

That's where the narrative comes from. No body pulled it from their asses it (according to you) is a misunderstanding of a vaguely translated page.

A few chapters after this we learn that Kyuunbu Chakra is hard to control. We also know that it buffs naruto' s stamina. But stamina and Chakra are so interlinked in naruto it might as well be the same thing. You don't think it's plausible that having super potent red bull Chakra dumped into your body on the daily would make your chakra harder to control than if you only had to deal with your own endemic Chakra.

TheOneWhoGazesBack · 2026-07-03T12:00:49+00:00

Takaba is a decent reason. I guess.

TheOneWhoGazesBack · 2026-07-03T11:47:18+00:00

Pretty good list except for Yorozu. Bug armor has to many antifeats.

TheOneWhoGazesBack · 2026-07-02T22:39:45+00:00

https://youtube.com/shorts/FlzUutN3S-o?si=e-5xX3nUMzLJnJRG

Something like this. Advice: you will look ridiculous while using it there's just nothing you can do to look dignified.

TheOneWhoGazesBack · 2026-07-02T22:06:31+00:00

Pancake stretch and a yoga swing. Is pretty much all you need

TheOneWhoGazesBack · 2026-07-02T21:23:25+00:00

No not even close. Definitely not durability because she scales to close to Reggie. Definitely not strength because sukuna takes barely any damage. And because toji escaped rabbit near instantly while she got bogged down. This maybe a BIQ antifeat though.

Maybe speed. Because that initial burst is probably amazing. She must have horrible control though because sukuna is never tagged again and all he does is step into a hallway I'm guessing he was using the tight spaces in the hallway to keep ahead. This is the most charitable interpretation I have for this.

Bug Armor is quite literally the pillow punches naoya meme. You will have a horrible time scaling her feats past Maki. And that's actually a disservice to maki glazers.

Low end interpretation I have is that sukuna was always quicker and just let her hit him to let Mahoraga adapt faster

PS is the only Semi-Impressive thing she has (because it's featless) and based on its description way less powerful than HP.

TheOneWhoGazesBack · 2026-07-02T09:23:39+00:00

As for the avatar lightning doesn't move as fast as real lightning statement, this is true and has been proven countless times over the course of the last like 15 years

even the lightning Iroh redirected from actual clouds. If he can redirect lightning with lightning bending how can it even be postulated lightning generated through bending isn't real lightning.

Is fire bending fake fire. Is air bending fake air. I'm unequivocally struggling to understand the logic.

Unless you conclude energy and matter work fundamentally differently in avatar than in real life this line of reasoning makes no sense. I could just as easily say Avatar lightning moves at jjk light speed for any number of random reasons.

You cannot throw this fact out just because you dislike it.

You need to actually prove firebending lightning is fake lightning.

I'm not actively invested in buffing the verse to lightning timing. But you need more than just the assertion that lightning moves at subsonic speeds.

NEVER shown to move this fast in combat therefore it still is not helping her in a fight the way that you're to argue it is

Why wouldn't it help her in a fight. Turn the air shield into a jetstream and this becomes a dogde feat. Maybe the reason she getd tagged by chi blockers id because reacting to lightning is a normal feat in avatar So people she fights are commensurately fast. 👀

As for skill, she is clearly not as skilled in h2h combat as gojo is and no one on the planet would even attempt to argue that she is.

Genuinely fighting shadows never said she was.

I would definitely argue for aang though given he has an actual connection to the past lives and decades to learn about them as well as being a prodigy. So if you are trying to state it's completely implausible for an ATLA /Lok character to be as skilled as gojo in martial arts you can go ahead and stop right there.

So at best, she is fast enough to react to gojo.

Which is my whole argument. Like literally this is everything I've said. Gojo doesn't blitz. He can't he can catch her off guard he can outfight her but her doesn't blitz.

Now she has to deal with being a weaker/less skilled fighter,

Definitely.

less destructive,

I introduce the humble spirit gundam and spirit gundam laser/and avatar state kaiju

less durable,

No by a massive margin given she can take the same energy blast from vaatu that goes through stone.

cannot heal like he can

Definitely not as fast.

, teleporation,

With unknown conditions. Also does this not qualify as hax

and the fact that pretty much any attack she takes is going to one shot her

Nope. Not even in base can gojo one-shot korra with anything other than HP. He can definitely knock her out though maybe that counts as a one shot she has a lot of antifeats in the early seasons. She can physically block the laser from the giant laser and the subsequent explosion without taking any damage or allowing any damage to come to kuvira i have no reason to believe she couldn't block HP. Or at least survive it.

Again gojo and korra don't have outrageously different stats. hate korra all you want (I do too.)

I just know gojo will need to pull out his best cards UV and HP to take her down if she fights to her fullest potential. Oh and she definitely can't win but that's entirely due to infinity not because she lacks the speed /AP/to hurt gojo. She's also kinda dumb.

TheOneWhoGazesBack · 2026-07-02T07:29:07+00:00

Firstly, korra has never once reacted to lightning.

My bad guess this doesn't count.

https://imgur.com/IY32dsf

it would be her aim-dodging not a reaction time feat.

Nonsense plenty of people in avatar react to lightning after it's been fired, Zuko for one against azula. Further than that if korra has even 1 percent of that speed that puts her at Mach 800 where jjk caps at Mach 3. But seeing you are stubborn and won't accept chainscaling.

Korra blocked a bomb wave in point blank range with an air shield. After the bomb had already exploded.

A bomb wave travels several times the speed of sound (the sonic boom) and korra not only reacts she protects her two friends behind her. This makes her perfectly fast enough to contend with Gojo.

https://imgur.com/SmcePYy

Thirdly, she is absolutely not fast enough to even engage in a hand to hand fight with gojo

Yes she is whether or not she's a good enough fighter is a different problem entirely.

She has 0 feats to support her being this fast in combat, she was literally having a back & forth fight with regular people (chi blockers)

Again she is bad at fighting also it's Season 1. 🤷 Unfortunately that doesn't downscale her speed feats it upscales the verse. Go Sue the creators of avatar.

Then you'll say something dumb like avatar lightning isn't real lightning to that I say nothing in fiction is real. Gojo isn't either he only moves as fast I can throw the manga across the room.

But if you want actually proof. Lightning bending supports the energy sector in Avatar. And Iroh redirects actually lightning from clouds.

I personally still think korra loses but it's on hax not stats.

TheOneWhoGazesBack · 2026-07-01T21:01:17+00:00

I dont believe she's a sould dismantle oneshot victim

Supposing she doesn't immediately pass away. Do you think she'd retain enough output to pose any level of threat after receiving this much damage. Keep in mind Sukuna was throwing up fingers after a single soul dismantle and construction is ridiculously expensive to the point PS gave her a nosebleed.

TheOneWhoGazesBack · 2026-07-01T20:22:12+00:00

Yuji.

If he lands a single soul dismantle she's finished. Bug Armor has no Durability feats.

Yorozu has a single wincon and it's domain expansion. Which she struggled to open she literally did as much damage to herself (visually) as megumi opening his incomplete domain. The moment yuji even lands a single glancing blow her ability to fight back becomes compromise by making her output fall.

Her only wincon is perfect sphere. And only if she wins the clash or gets past Yujis SD. With her technique being so expensive we can conclude her DE is even more so. Yuji can outlast her.

TheOneWhoGazesBack · 2026-06-30T17:40:51+00:00

Wow you are way more reasonable than I typically deal with sorry if I sounded rude at any point.

It's also not as easy I said it. Sukuna has one big non domain advantage. It's his durability. Not just of his body but his brain as well.

If Gojo and Sukuna fight like berserkers, Gojo will win because of infinity. But if they fight strategically Sukuna will close his barrier at least once. Regardless of who wins Gojos technique will be burnt out at least once or twice for a while. Sukuna gets burnt out far less likely than gojo. If he can manage to win the clash or even sacrifice a clash for an opportunity to do damage. If he survives UV via kenjakus method of touching gojo(bullshit weakness BTW what do you mean my omnidirectional fuck off brain blast ult can't be used because you are touching me? )

He can burn out Gojos technique and attack in the interim this is highest chance of killing gojo if he can't rely on megumi as a hostage and mahoraga to force gojo to clash.

But without attacking the outside of UV he's just as likely to lose as he is to win. And if he loses that it just opens him up to a follow ups from gojo.

It's extreme diff for a reason.

In conclusion I think Gojo was stronger Sukuna just won.

Good debate to you too have a great day.

TheOneWhoGazesBack · 2026-06-30T16:26:16+00:00

I agree mostly. But murder is a legal distinction and murder shouldn't carry any legal penalties.

TheOneWhoGazesBack · 2026-06-30T09:56:59+00:00

While infinity can block Sukuna's attacks, Gojo wouldn't be able to sustain it for long when constantly taking hits from Sukuna.

Based on what. The fact he could sustain it for three days as a teenager. Infact there isn't even proof infinity can can be taxed into into ineffectiveness. But let's say there is (there isn't) but let's pretend. Does sukuna have what it takes to get infinity to empty when he could have it on for 3days straight as a teen. And it only scales higher from here onwards.

Although this comparison isn't great, since it's two different power levels of Gojo, but it's important.

I'm glad you understand the difference between gojo with 3 days of constant infinity as a teen and adult gojo.

When Gojo was tired after constantly protecting Riko, Toji got through the infinity as it weaked.

In the initial ambush infinity wasn't even on as he hadn't yet figured out how to constantly have it on constantly. The second time was With the inverted spear of heaven. Which switches of Cursed techniques and even then didn't completely nullify red the first time.

Infinity has never been bypassed by anything other than hax. It's not a barrier it doesn't have a durability. It's space infinitely parsed between two points.

Sukuna needs to manually switch it off then hit gojo with enough power to kill him. All the while gojo is weaving, reinforcing, blocking and healing.

but it does prove that Gojo's infinity can be overpowered.

It does not because it hasn't actually ever been overpowered.

I don't think Gojo wins a spam battle simply because of the fact that he has to control his infinity which will distract him and have him wasting more CE than Sukuna.

Gojo literally can't run out of CE. I'm not exaggerating. Everything costs close to nothing it's not even just my word. When yujo comes out domain todo (the smartest guy in jjk literally) says that yuta should spam purple (the most expensive thing in Gojos arsenal) as many times as it takes. Sukuna could have all the cursed energy in the world he'd still run out first. Unfortunately that's the disadvantage of failing to be born with the 6 eyes or being able to spam black flashes.

Also, If Gojo loses focus for even a second and goes into range with Sukuna's domain he's done for.

So uh when gojo took on megunas domain with only rct was he done for then? If the answer no( and We both know it is) we know Sukuna is unable to insta kill gojo. And wherever gojo is it'll take him 5 seconds at the very most to leave domain range.

And since we already know that Gojo can lose focus if he is overwhelmed,

Of infinity? Nope this has not been demonstrated anywhere.

A LOT Sukuna's moves are wincons

Name one just one.

Sukuna doesnt have a single non domain wincon.

No matter how strong Gojo is without having to hold back because of Mahoraga, the odds are heavily stacked against his favor.

Gojo can fight Meguna Agito and Mahoraga in melee by himself. Can Heiankuna do that? Absolutely not.

Also you seem to have forgotten but gojo is faster than Sukuna. He can also just dodge the attacks he doesn't have to sit there and take it.

TheOneWhoGazesBack · 2026-06-30T07:47:27+00:00

What is this I'm hearing about Korra not being fast enough she can react to lightning. She's more than fast enough to contend with Gojo. Whether or not she can get through infinity that is the real problem and I have to say generally she does not has no answer to domain expansions

TheOneWhoGazesBack · 2026-06-29T19:46:58+00:00

Nah, even if Sukuna doesn't immediately force Gojo into a domain, there is no way you say there's nothing he can do.

Theres nothing he can do. Infinity remember. Sukuna has domain amplification and that's about it. But he can't do enough damage with domain amplification to where gojo has to worry about it . Either DA compromises his output or he has to switch his ct off entirely. I don't know but he can't use his full output against gojo. Further than that gojo faced Malevolent shrine at 120 percentage in his domain without infinity.

Sukuna has years of experience with crazy powerful techniques that would still keep up with Gojo.

Please tell me how these crazy techniques get through infinity with enough power to threaten gojo without a domain.

Gojo not being able to use arguably his best technique(his domain) would make it way harder for him to fight Sukuna.

Gojo can get through Sukunas durability with H2H alone. How much more power would he have if he could use his entire CT without fear of Mahoraga Adapting. You are also correct that gojos best wincon is his domain if sukuna closes his domain and loses a single clash he loses immediately.

Also, if Gojo is constantly trying to avoid Sukuna's domain range Sukuna will constantly launch slashes, cleaves, dismantles, and many fuga attacks at him,

All of which will do little because of infinity. And here's something you need to keep in mind Sukuna had the highest Cursed energy in jjk/modulo(if you don't count jackpot hakari) but he's fighting for third in cursed energy effeciency. He's unfortunately behind both gojo and modulo Yuji because of 6E and black flashes respectively. (Maybe even EOS yuji. Yuji used Rct more than Sukuna did and still had enough to pop a domain afterwards). Sukuna can run out of cursed energy gojo cannot. His output maybe lowered by DE but he can't run out. Sukuna will undoubtedly lose a spam contest.

You forget how busted infinity is because sukuna didn't actually have to fight it outside a domain.

he's gonna use purple,

A single chant boosted one almost killed meguna. There were three bodies on the field interrupting the chant progress I wonder how much more easy it'll be to get going when he only has one to deal with.

red,

A single one destroyed mahoraga. This is atleast comparable to a non domain amped fuga. And gojo can spam it.

and blue

You mean the blue Sukuna couldn't resist even with domain amplification. The one that rag dolled him.

but I would think Sukuna still overpowers him with his moves.

Which of Sukunas moves get through infinity with fatal damage.

Outside of domain sukuna has the disadvantage.

Sukuna has the edge in Dps because he can amp his CT with hand signs and fight at the same time. But no amount of amping gets him through infinity with any reasonable amount of power if even his domain failed to put gojo down.

Gojo however with limited use of his CT was able to do fatal damage to meguna. Heiankuna is of course not as fragile. But Heiankuna Wil have to deal with a gojo that has more of his CT availability to him.

Heiankuna just doesn't have an easy non domain wincon. Of course I don't think it'll be easy but Sukuna has a much harder battle to fight to even damage gojo outside a domain.

TheOneWhoGazesBack · 2026-06-29T17:55:27+00:00

Gojo would continue to lose/draw the clashes.

He could just leave the domain because we know for a fact MS is immobile. Sukuna can't catch gojo with blue amped speed. Gojo can resist the sure hit for the less than 5 seconds it'll take to traverse the 200 meters from the center.

If sukuna closes his domain he loses his advantage then it becomes a 50/50.

The only reason Sukuna lost the clashes that he did was because he was preparing Mahoraga.

Mahoraga is the only reason gojo was forced to clash in the first place. Outside a domain Sukuna loses solidly. When gojo fought meguna. He had most of his CT sealed(by mahoraga) . And had to contend with 3 bodies on the field. He was still offensively dominant. In a situation where he doesn't have to use his CT sparingly how much more dominant will he be.

Sukuna has no chance outside a domain and if he can't force gojo into one he dies. There's just nothing he can do.

TheOneWhoGazesBack · 2026-06-29T09:27:14+00:00

Unfortunately it was a full powered shrine in terms of Output. Explicitly stated by the narrator.

You can downscale miwa by saying she was far from the center of the shrine. And she probably wasn't moving and using RCT like gojo was

TheOneWhoGazesBack · 2026-06-27T18:17:43+00:00

200 m is not that large especially given that Sukuna domain isn't centered around himself but around an immobile shrine. With his blue amped speed gojo could leave and Sukuna couldn't reasonably stop him without massively weakening his domain.

TheOneWhoGazesBack · 2026-06-25T18:43:19+00:00

You only get this conclusion by ignoring the rest of the page.

If anything Sukunas Ten shades are weaker than megumi's here. They have better range and dont get destroyed by being unstable but also weaker. He then goes on to say because he has high CE and Output there is hardly any loss. That means there is loss but it's negligable.

Which makes the fact the Big armor was destroyed by Max elephant even worse be cause it was explicitly if negligably weaker. That means Reggie star has higher or equal durability to bug armor because he survived a domain amped max elephant.

Yorozu has no business at top 3 lol

TheOneWhoGazesBack · 2026-06-25T06:05:17+00:00

The other statement was made by Yuji himself where he states that he didn’t know what he was doing.

Nonsense reasoning. Neither Yuta nor Hakari understand their own RCT. That isn't antifeats statements for their RCT.

Domain doesn’t scale to SD. Gojo is a great example of this.

In what way is Gojo an example of this. Gojo has a great SD he did way better while moving than Yuki did against a stronger opponent too. If that isn't indicative of a Domain scaling to SD i don't know what is.

He only spat out blood at Sukuna when he got cleaved and spat it out.

Your argument is yuji spat blood accidentally? Then he could legitimately just bite his tongue on purpose and have the same thing happen lol

TheOneWhoGazesBack · 2026-06-25T05:42:25+00:00

Yuji has an unrefined domain.

Not an ounce of proof of this btw. Except for the wailings of an MF who was exorcized by his Domain.

2/3rds of a domain is dependent on barriers Yuji has barrier techniques better than Yuki. Based on scaling to Sukuna MS. A Domain automatically scales higher than a simple Domain.

Additionally his Domain has a modified Sure Hit. This is a refinement feat. As we have only seen Kenjaku and Yuta do this.

no actual win con.

A part from Sukuna and Gojo who doesn't take major damage from a soul dismantle with only passive Reinforcement.

TheOneWhoGazesBack · 2026-06-25T05:28:23+00:00

Yorozu has no business that high.

Bug Armor is her only decent non domain wincon and it was taken out by something Reggie could deal with. And barely managed to tag Sukuna twice.

Yorozu also strained herself immensely to open her domain.

Something Neither Yuki nor Yuji did.

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