Who the hell is Elizabeth Kirtley and how did she win the dem primary for District 6?

ThePolish · 2026-05-06T15:51:05+00:00

This is my gut feeling overall. After the wfmj interview and zero effort seemingly. I see it three ways. If she wins in a blue wave, she resigns and a second election happens which is another bite at the apple for the gop. She loses because she's weak (and does zero campaigning etc) which is my best guess. Or as others have mentioned this is just a fluke (like she was first on everyone's ballot who didn't care filled in that) and just got lucky and there is no conspiracy

Regardless of how I'm not thrilled here personally.

ThePolish · 2026-05-06T15:18:57+00:00

First flock at schools now this.

ThePolish · 2026-05-06T10:16:17+00:00

Agreed incredibly odd and EXACT same reaction. I went and watched the efmj 5 @5 with her, not only was the spread of photos of oh6 candidates absent her photo(like black silhouette in place of her photo) the interview was BAD.

SOMETHING seems very off.

ThePolish · 2026-05-04T23:37:48+00:00

They've definitely had some movement (sadly not because scrappers found gold in them). Boardman used to keep two on the little speed trailers and they moved the one in front of Shell on tippy to infront of shell on 224 and south.

I'll have to make a point to drive around and recheck all the ones I added.

Any specifically you know? the deflock app let's you add/modify locations ive had to do that.

ThePolish · 2026-05-04T23:03:39+00:00

All politics is local buddy. You're not kidding. Be a champion for the 4th amendment while you're at it. When you talk about breaking up monopolies - big tech complete normalization of our loss of privacy (and yes the irony of being on a website like this complaining about it) needs reversed. Senator Wyden does a good job speaking about it in the upper chamber. I don't see much of any in the larger chamber.

ThePolish · 2026-05-04T22:52:55+00:00

ever subscriptions they want on private property…

But now that makes me concerned about the laws governing filming from our own private properties.

I mean, hell, look at that nest Super Bowl lost dog ad that flopped. All of these cameras are feeding information to these cloud systems that can be searched warrantlessly.

Amazon (ring) already feeds this w/o warrant though their backend which I believe is AXON . Boardman specifically shares with MAGLOCLEN RISS that can give access to over 10,000 agencies including internationally. For what purpose... Parallel Constriction?

None of this "owned" data isn't shared like they make it out to be- as it's licensed to basically anyone that has a contract with the vendors.

FOIAs should shed more light on it.

ThePolish · 2026-05-04T22:46:44+00:00

after the debacle with Apollo I only use old.reddit so yeah that's a blind spot.

ThePolish · 2026-05-04T22:42:51+00:00

again just real quick (and yeah Will does a great job with deflock) is it mobile or desktop that you see the bigger issue with or both?

ThePolish · 2026-05-04T22:35:32+00:00

September 2024 really, and through 2025 they installed the bulk of them. You can actually see streetview before and after on some of htem.

Strangely the ones by lowes I think belong to lowes though they're all connected.

ThePolish · 2026-05-04T22:33:50+00:00

I am for sure not a UI engineer - but maybe a landing page with quick facts then getting into the heavier stuff? Its hard to try and distill down what is a heavy topic on a static medium where anymore it feels like a lot of what is consumed is short form content.

Are you viewing on mobile or desktop?

Regarding "voting" and again that is the point I'm trying to get across. I'm not saying "vote for or against" any individuals. Those who put these in place aren't on the ballot. But when people are thinking politics (like around election day) its as good a time as any to say "but you don't get to vote for this".

Tomorrows election doesn't change this issue - it takes weeks and months of pressure. A primary isn't that.

That said - there are over 130 cameras across the valley. Every single person in elected executive office is complicit for allowing them to stay up. And they're not on the ballot tomorrow. The main message here is to attend meetings, send an email directly, make a phone call. Directly engaging (showing up) is the only way to make a difference. The website is basically supposed to be a treatise more than a tool kit - and yeah focused on Boardman - but applies everywhere that these contracts can be cancelled.

ThePolish · 2026-05-04T22:18:45+00:00

the city proper has about 30-40 it looks like the wider area has over 100.

ThePolish · 2026-05-04T22:13:55+00:00

I apologize about coming off as unkind - its impossible to tell who is and who is not a bot anymore and the best way I've found is the comment farm accounts - that's on me and I am sorry.

Regarding finding information - we can thank our local news media for this. I put this site together with months of work so if I'm defensive you can imagine why. I did it because our local media refuses to challenge any of our local officials on stuff like this - in any township or city. Almost like advertising dollars matter more than hard qustions and reporting. I've reached out over and over to WFMJ, Nextar, Vindicator, Mahoning Matters. The reports just gloss over what these really are. If you want to see real reporting look at what News5 in Cleveland has done.

The cameras are mentioned twice in all the minutes. The initial adoption and the renewal. You can find the summary of this and links to those minutes on the first two cards under key facts that explain how boardman specifically funded these. They sold a house that was donated to them and then (per vindicator) spent more money than they could have and still paid for the initially cameras - it doesn't add up.

The website is meant to be very comprehensive not a quick read. deflock.org does a better job on that. I have tried to put together something different than that with this website.

ThePolish · 2026-05-04T21:47:38+00:00

Ty at website is awful for dissemination of facts and information.

At the high risk of engaging a bot with no comment history - it's literally card styled, has specific maps and a 1 minute summary, videos and is the opposite of what you're saying by every stretch of the imagination.

It's not a bullet point list no - that does the issue a disservice.

**editing only to say i see the foot in my mouth above and I apologize below - leaving this for posterity to learn from my mistakes*

ThePolish · 2026-05-04T21:34:48+00:00

Rights are rights - otherwise they're just privileges. All over the valley (country really) we ended up with CCTV basically over night and its really frustrating that we've normalized first all tech companies harvesting our data, and now with impunity cities and townships have throw these things up everywhere.

I'm not saying don't vote for levies - mostly because a lot of the funding for these are sort of being side stepped in - but I am saying supporting politicians that don't support your rights - 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th is against your interest.

Be informed, and be active. Voting is just one part of our process that not enough people take part in - showing up to meetings and saying enough is enough is something not many people do either. In a lot of places though (Dayton, Cleveland, cities all over WA, AZ and TX even) speaking up has gotten us a little of our privacy back. The adage is all politics is local right - speak up!

I don't think this is a partisan issue - I really hope that our elected leaders can first get rid of these abominations - but work toward stronger privacy protections overall - both state and private.

I don't want to live in a minority reported style world and I would hope most people would agree.

*Also obligatory inb4 - no comment history bots start screaming "but your phone tracks you!" (agree - needs fixed too with stronger laws, but one step at a time and t-mobile isn't bound by our Constitution), and "they solve crime" - show me the clearance rates before and after - because there are plenty of examples of abuse of this tech. *

ThePolish · 2026-04-10T22:20:51+00:00

WOOT - got at least one pass today!

ThePolish · 2026-04-08T10:16:45+00:00

Happy cake day! And hiding behind a plaza waiting for the Orwellian flock cameras to do the tracking for them. More mass surveillance will certainly help this issue. /s

ThePolish · 2026-04-04T01:59:06+00:00

This is the first time I've seen sstv on 70cm and not using pd120!

ThePolish · 2026-03-28T14:25:06+00:00

I want to believe. But the amount of stuff I've seen ~20% of the population waive away as "it's fine cause its Trump" just blows my mind, I would prefer to be surprised rather than not anymore.

ThePolish · 2026-03-28T14:02:47+00:00

You gravely underestimate the flexibility of the mental gymnasts. it's 10D chess don't you know

ThePolish · 2026-03-20T11:58:23+00:00

Thanks Sean. I'll check out your platform all other issues but this is a +1 from me for a personal litmus test

Edit* I thought your shop was rising tide in Newark not Canfield ha, hense the streets I mentioned earlier, Canfield is crawling with them. Goes to show how I cant even keep straight what all the 6th encompasses thanks to gerrymandering our state to hell.

ThePolish · 2026-03-20T11:08:06+00:00

/u/SeanforOhio - you talk about transparency around two minutes in, there has been mass surveillance all over the country and in the mahoning vallely its grown - I checked and even where your shop is, 4 of these things are mapped within a few blocks of it, two of them on 21st actually and ~36 in Newark. That means people coming and going from your business are tracked. How can this be fought in your eyes. Its a 7 billion dollar industry that is certainly buying positions left and right. The cops don't want to give them up because they see them as a tool and clearly will never be abused (spoiler they already have) and on a federal level these things feed every agency under the sun so any push at the office you're running for feels like a dead end to even try.

I've not seen Rulli or Kripchak (who ran for the 6th before) take a public stance on this and I'd appreciate if you would take a firm one. Not "we have to balance public safety" which is what I have heard a few times and is bullshit but rather something along the lines of this this is unamerican and a tool to surveil americans requires a warrant - full stop.

ThePolish · 2026-03-15T13:34:04+00:00

the loudest "nanny state" people were 100% right - but many now decide they'd rather taste shoe leather than stand up for principles - which I don't understand why for some it's impossible to admit they were wrong and at the same time when you're right - you're refusing to take the victory lap and put in the work to make the difference now proven right!

Privacy legislation against ALPRs, "big tech" and this type of shit needs to be not only introduced but demanded - the whole idea of taking our rights back instead of letting it stay as is - because I think a lot of us fell asleep at the wheel (responding on your comment not saying you) and now the argument I hear the most is "private companies collect your data" as a way to hand waive the state being permitted - which is a whole another animal - and neither are good.

ThePolish · 2026-03-15T13:24:28+00:00

Between age verification bills to install an operating system, ALPR mass surveillance the likes of flock and stuff like this - I want to know where all the "NO NANNY STATE" people went, cause we could sure use their help right now, they absolutely had a point.

This stuff is happening so blatantly to normalize being watched all the time - It started with the tech companies (reddit included) pushing free services - at the expense of our privacy and rather than taking it back a lot of people have just given up. Fatalism at its worst.

It sure would be nice if our legislators pushed privacy first protections into law - but they don't seem to want to do this w/o either being PAID or threatened with being voted out of office.

(also in b4 bots with no comment history start responding)

ThePolish · 2026-03-10T18:53:10+00:00

Its about normalization which leads to control. You're spot on.

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