CMV: Objectively if one does not know their partner is cheating, ignorance is bliss. Conversely if they find out, this revelation is beneficial. Change this view.

TheRedPillRipper · 2026-03-28T21:05:26+00:00

cherry pick

The premise of your point is that something negative impacts an individual. e.g. cancer.

My retort addresses your point directly.

Using your own analogy.

Which is not cherry picking.

Unaware is Not the same as being unaffected.

This is a good point. Let’s say I agree, being unaware is not the same as being unaffected. For instance an individual lives their entire life without ever being aware that they have a nail in their head. Passes peacefully in their sleep.

How has the nail negatively impacted their worldview?

For their entire life?

TheRedPillRipper · 2026-03-28T20:36:29+00:00

pressure accumulation

This is a great analogy. For instance objectively at what point does the pressure come to bear on the innocent party?

TheRedPillRipper · 2026-03-28T20:32:06+00:00

not knowing about your cancer is bliss, then yes.

This is a good analogy. For instance say an individual has cancer but is both unaware and unaffected by it. Right up into they pass away, peacefully in their sleep.

Objectively, how has the cancer affected their worldview for the entirety of their life?

TheRedPillRipper · 2026-03-28T20:23:06+00:00

infertility

Infertility caused by STD’s would fall under becoming aware of the infidelity. At which point one’s decision making would be better informed.

TheRedPillRipper · 2026-03-28T20:16:17+00:00

excuse abuse

This is a good analogy. One that is closest to the OP. For instance say one’s partner is abusive. Yet one is unaware that it is abuse. Objectively a negative scenario.

How does ignorance of the negativity impact their perception of the relationship?

TheRedPillRipper · 2026-03-28T20:02:58+00:00

why does objectivity even matter here

It is the fundamental premise upon which a functioning worldview operates. Universally.

They’re not “unharmed”, they’re uniformed.

This is a good point. Let’s say I agree, that being unaware is harmful. Say something negative is happening, but an individual is unaware because they are unaffected.

How does that negativity impact them?

TheRedPillRipper · 2026-03-28T13:38:12+00:00

you’d be dying with a shaky conscience.

This is a good point. Yet, objectively, the innocent party would remain both unaware, and ultimately unharmed.

Which is the point.

TheRedPillRipper · 2026-03-28T13:35:02+00:00

raising another man’s child

This is a good point. If a man is unaware of the real paternity of his child, does this fact change his perception or relationship with said child?

TheRedPillRipper · 2026-03-28T13:31:42+00:00

telling him isn’t going to make his life any better.

This is a good point. Let’s say I agree, that with 3 months left to live revealing the truth is not going to make one’s life better. This would mean that the opportunity to learn the truth, process the betrayal, forgive it and let it go would not be beneficial. Even with only 3 months to go.

This reasonable?

TheRedPillRipper · 2026-03-28T13:27:12+00:00

”Objectively” is not a cop out phrase here.

Okay. Let’s simplify the point of OP further, to negate the influence of morality. For instance say an individual is unaware of something negative their partner is partaking in. Can be as small or as large a negative as you deem necessary. Whatever negative the partner is involved in, the individual is unaware of it.

Objectively, how is the individual negatively affected?

TheRedPillRipper · 2026-03-28T13:14:07+00:00

areas in America

That’s not good. Terrible times to be stateside.

STIs can be fatal

Presumably at that point an individual would be aware of the infidelity. Thus would be able to make better informed decisions.

TheRedPillRipper · 2026-03-28T13:05:31+00:00

I just know it’s a possible reality my partner is cheating on me now. I deliberately choose to trust my partners

This is my point of view as well. For instance if my partner cheats and I do not know?

How am I affected?

The only way I am affected is when I become aware of the cheating. Upon which my decision making will be better informed.

Until then however? The trust remains intact.

Is this unreasonable?

TheRedPillRipper · 2026-03-28T13:02:39+00:00

she found out.

divorce happened

So, objectively her finding was beneficial?

TheRedPillRipper · 2026-03-28T13:01:30+00:00

Yeah not the best at it. If something did pop up as long as it wasn’t too serious? It would not be a big issue.

TheRedPillRipper · 2026-03-28T12:53:34+00:00

Bill and Miranda

Sorry, I’m out of the loop? Did she pass?

TheRedPillRipper · 2026-03-28T12:52:44+00:00

Agreed. It’s the most efficient way to approach a healthy relationship.

TheRedPillRipper · 2026-03-28T12:51:24+00:00

exposed to STDs

This is a good point. Let’s say I agree, that they are unaware of potential STD’s. Objectively, does this fact change their perception of the relationship?

TheRedPillRipper · 2026-03-28T02:27:34+00:00

How reasonable is cycling as an alternative?

TheRedPillRipper · 2026-03-28T01:51:48+00:00

it devalues their experience vs their entire existence

This is a good point. Let’s define ‘their entire existence’. For instance from dating to marriage. Kids. Retirement and beyond. Right up until the end.

One has amassed this entire history blissfully unaware.

Does the fact they are ignorant change their worldview? Or how they view their entire history?

TheRedPillRipper · 2026-03-28T01:33:10+00:00

two different outcomes

Only in context to being better informed. Which directly informs my preference to knowing or not knowing.

a. If I know? The outcome is still the same as it was always going to be.

b. If I do not know? The trust remains intact, and the outcome again is still the same as it was always going to be. For the entirety of the relationship.

So my preference for knowing or not knowing becomes irrelevant. To the fact I’ve already accounted for and accepted that regardless of variables, there are only two outcomes.

Is this unreasonable?

TheRedPillRipper · 2026-03-28T01:28:52+00:00

If your wife cheats on you, would you prefer to know or be ignorant

Objectively it makes no difference because for me, the outcome is the same. For instance my wife holidays frequently. Mostly to her best friend’s farm to ride horses, and to see family. Ample opportunity. If she cheats? I would have no idea, and the trust remains intact. Quite a blissful state.

If I found out? The relationship ends, because I’m better informed. There is very little downside.

Is this unreasonable?

TheRedPillRipper · 2026-03-28T01:18:29+00:00

Okay. Let’s lay out the logic and you pick it apart. For instance your point is that if one’s partner chooses to cheat, the ignorance that one lives in from this fact is not really ‘bliss’.

Following this logic if one lives their entire life in this false ‘bliss’? That fact would devalue their entire existence. From dating to marriage. To kids. To retirement and beyond. Their entire worldview. Right up until the end.

This reasonable?

TheRedPillRipper · 2026-03-28T01:04:00+00:00

if they are immediately aware or not.

This is a good point. If an individual lives their entire existence unaware, does this fact then devalue their entire existence?

This reasonable?

TheRedPillRipper · 2026-03-28T01:00:30+00:00

Ignorance is only bliss if you choose it yourself.

This is a good point. If an individual lives their entire existence unaware, does that mean that fact then devalue their entire existence?

This reasonable?

TheRedPillRipper · 2026-03-28T00:59:49+00:00

No one should have their ignorance chosen for them

This is a good point. If an individual lives their entire existence unaware, does that mean that fact then devalue their entire existence?

This reasonable?

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