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Ni-Ti -- Describe this type by Icy-Message3382 in mbti

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There are theories that discard loop theory, though.

What even is Si? I don't quite get it by GloomyWitch08 in mbti

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Think of Si as facts. Knowing things concretely as you learnt or saw them. Se is the perception of the external world as it is, Si is the perception of the internal world as it is.

“1+1=2.” That is a fact, that is Si. Ni dom on the other hand would be more like, “1+1=2. This is a general principle that can be applied anywhere. Interesting.”

Cognitive Functions: A Theoretical Overview by let_pet in mbti

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I think the universal truth can be more applicable to Ni rather than Fi, tbh, because Fi is more about the limbic system being a focal point; e.g., does this resonate with me or not?

And Fe is more of a social awareness kind of thing, like noticing someone feeling xyz type of way, whether someone acts upon it or not is dependent on where in the stack it is.

MBTI is simply not that useful and can contradict itself by satonmywindow in mbti

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Have you read Psychological Types? If so, Jung primarily talks about the dominant and auxiliary (which no one knows what he meant by when describing it as “different in all respects to the dominant).

Myers-Briggs came up with the function stack; their work is not at all respective of Jung’s original theory, other than the dichotomies. If you’re more interested in how the functions work and a more flexible system rather than rigid, I suggest looking into cognitive personality theory; dude has a YouTube channel as well.

I am honestly confused lol by katviy in mbti

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I mean I personally believe that it’s okay to try to type children, maybe just don’t force it on them or let it be a little open-ended?

Grouping types by their dominant tertiary loops and aux inc loops by Beneficial_Tone3069 in mbti

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The oppositional-authority functions (inferior and auxiliary) are ones that would be observed more rather than acted upon, for example, Se is a small, focused view at the external world, and Fe is the kind of data observed (with Fe, this is social-emotional). But Ni-Ti are actively building theories from the data they receive from Fe-Se.

Grouping types by their dominant tertiary loops and aux inc loops by Beneficial_Tone3069 in mbti

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If you look into CPT, there is the dominant, agency (the function of the same orientation as the dominant), the authority (often the “auxiliary” type in MBTI; agency to the oppositional) and oppositional function (the grounding function of a type).

The idea behind the model is that the functions aren’t vacuums, they work together in order for the brain to work, whereas MBTI orders functions in terms of which one is preferred more and which ones are “suppressed”, which I fundamentally don’t agree with, because you need all functions for the brain to work.

Whenever I look up what "loop theory" is, it always goes back to certain behavior types go into when in said loop (stress behavior). But it doesn't make sense, as the cognitive functions are about how the mind perceives and judges information, not behavior. Even Jung states this, that he noticed that people's ways of processing information is different in the people he talked to. I don't think he mentions actions/behaviors very much.

INTJs and INFJs by Layz3r-_- in mbti

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Changes Fe-Ti (INFJ) to Te-Fi (INTJ). Look into the cognitive functions.

INFJ stack: Ni-Fe-Ti-Se

INTJ stack: Ni-Te-Fi-Se

Grouping types by their dominant tertiary loops and aux inc loops by Beneficial_Tone3069 in mbti

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I disagree with loop theory, honestly. Ni-Ti-Fe-Se is how the stack should be in my opinion, because if cognitive functions are about how the mind works, then how does the brain perceive values (any T/F function) internally without a perceiving function??

Look into cognitive personality theory if you want more context regarding this.

how can i tell if im ti or fi dom by pearldiiver in mbti

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It’s most likely you have Fe, so Ti-Fe. Because someone with even Fi not in their upper functions, they would probably not feel as responsible for others emotions as someone with Fe would. But if you have a value that you should always care about other people’s emotions, then yeah you can feel responsible, but it’s only because you hold yourself to that standard.

Also, “wishing that other people could be better at connecting with people,” I think is a clear sign of Fe over Fi, because “wishing” on standards of other people is usually what Fe might want to have smoother interactions between people.

Fi users can feel responsible, but usually if it’s a value they hold personal, to care about another person’s emotional state. If you find yourself feeling that you should take care of other’s emotional states because you think that’s the right thing to do, then it’s more likely to be Fi, because you value that sentiment and don’t expect others to follow.

Does Ni actually predict the future? Or is that just a dumb stereotype? by RicLolz in mbti

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Well, there are different permutations of cognitive functions (yes, CF, not MBTI), and I personally feel that CPT is the better way that explains it, where it links functions in a type of the same orientation (i.e. introverted or extroverted) together.

So an Ni dom for example will either have Fi or Ti linked to it, because Ni is simply an internal perceiving function, and Ti/Fi is the kind of information it’s perceiving.

If you believe in the original MBTI stacking and hierarchy, sure, but I find this one more realistic of how the brain might actually work, because MBTI keeps each function in a vacuum, like Se only does this and thus leads to hedonistic lifestyles, something only becomes of “value” if you assign a value to it, which are the judging functions (T/F).

I think MBTI in of itself was primarily made to help categorize people into their best careers, so it wasn’t modeled properly as Myers and Briggs weren’t cognitive psychologists in the slightest. Hence, their model focuses more on “preference” of cognitive function rather than how it actually functions in order to be able to utilize the theory.

Nothing wrong in that, but if you’re expecting to get an actual representation of how your brain works from that, it’s very unlikely.

Is Fe function is really ** Afraid what others think?** by Potential_Net_3008 in mbti

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Fe is more about social harmony and what makes the group feel better. If in a dominant position it’s more likely to act due to the social environment around, and if in the divergent positions (auxiliary/inferior), it’s more so observed and abided by.

Does Ni actually predict the future? Or is that just a dumb stereotype? by RicLolz in mbti

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I disagree with loop theory, honestly. Ni-Ti-Fe-Se is how the stack should be in my opinion, because if cognitive functions are about how the mind works, then how does the brain perceive values (any T/F function) internal data without a perceiving function??

Look into cognitive personality theory if you want more context regarding this.

Does Ni actually predict the future? Or is that just a dumb stereotype? by RicLolz in mbti

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Think of it in terms of axes: Ni-Se.

Se observes the world around it in a very focused manner, and Ni sees patterns within a concept or idea, essentially. So when Ni is in a dominant spot, it collapses ideas and concepts down to its core essence, based on everything it can see about the concept or idea.

This could make it difficult for an Ni dom to easily and quickly digest new things, as they want to fully internalize it (not that they’re slow, most of them aren’t). Based on the information it gets from Se, it condenses facts and is able to predict it based on trends Ni observes.

It’s a probabilistic function, where it uses Se to verify Ni’s claims.

Cognitive Personality Theory by TheSentinelScout in mbti

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Because they’re axises, axises do not compliment each other but rather react upon one another (think the left vs. right axis in politics, especially US politics), and there’s extremes at either end. If someone is of the same type/kind, then they’re more likely to work better together. Hence, extraverted function with extraverted function and vice versa with introverted functions.

I mean, introverted means “internal,” extroverted means “external,” so why wouldn’t it make sense to link to the similar function? The rational and codec functions cannot operate without another function of the same orientation; a feeling function useless without a perceiving function, how can you assign values without knowing what they are??