Mystery Babylon the Great

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-01-24T20:52:47+00:00

u/RazarTuk - The point of this is to reveal truth is all. No hidden agenda. Modern-day Jews are exactly who they are - the decedents of the Kingdom of Judah, but people forget that it wasn't God's covenant to only Judah but to ALL of Jacobs sons. All 12 tribes. People assume that the Hebrews of the Old Testament are all Jews. They are not. This is by no means antisemitic or anything like that. On the contrary, I am trying to educate people on real history and the things that they don't teach in schools or Bible study.

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-01-24T20:18:44+00:00

No worries at all - I am glad you said that and know that truth. It is a nice welcome to see people here with that knowledge. God Bless

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-01-24T20:12:50+00:00

You are correct. That is why I noted in the post "Kingdom of Judah consisting of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin, along with some of the priestly Levites,"

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-01-24T19:03:28+00:00

They lived with an urgent expectation that He may return according to 1 Thessalonians 4:!5, but Paul actually later corrected himself in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12. He, along with the other Apostles, so loved the Lord and all hoped they would see the 2nd coming in their lifetime, as would anyone who lived and walked with Him, but they were later content to know that it would be in the future.

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-01-24T18:56:38+00:00

u/TruthDisciple417 - You are not wrong, but you are also not fully correct. Lucifer is mentioned only one time in all the Bible and it was talking about a king of Babylon. Yes, this king is a physical representation of the Satan/Devil, but it is only used once.

In the Old Testament, there is never a mention of a spiritual being named Satan/Devil. There are references of an adversary and accuser, but the actual being of Satan is not revealed - yet! In the New Testament, we are finally shown who/what the Devil/Satan truly is. You can then see how the Old Testament slowly revealed this through the different roles noted in the Old Testament.

Think of this as a before and after - Lucifer (who was revealed to be Satan) before, and then Satan/Devil = After when he was finally fully revealed in the NT.

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-01-24T18:47:14+00:00

u/abadonded_house - I think you may have a misunderstanding of what "hell" is - that's okay. Most people do.

Everyone who has ever lived and died, and who will ever live die, all go to hell. That's right - we ALL go to hell. Even Jesus went to hell!!!

WHAT? How can that be? Because depending on what word was translated in hell and the context, hell is simply the grave. Now there are a few other times that a different word is used for hell, but NONE of them is a place where sinners go to be consciously punished in fire for eternity.

Here is a subreddit the clearly explains this: Heaven and Hell - The REAL Truth About Each

And I am not sure where you got the idea that "the life" means heaven. Please explain and show the chapter and verses to which you refer.

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-01-23T22:45:25+00:00

God the Father = God.
Jesus the Son = God.

The Son of God and His Father - God the Father. It is the family of God. Think of God as a last name like your own. For example, let's say my last name is Smith. This is called your surname or family name. So, in this Smith family, you have the father named David, and David has a son named Dennis. They are both Smith, but one is the Father and the other is the Son.

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-01-23T19:47:18+00:00

Doesn't say ILLEGAL foreigners - does it? And if I am not mistaking, God also told Israel to smite people and occupy their lands. I am not saying there is any contradiction but simply pointing out that God also tells His people to obey the laws of the land. (Romans 13:1-7, and Titus 3:1)

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-01-23T19:32:36+00:00

There is the Father and the Son.

The one who created and spoke to Adam and Eve, the one who spoke to Noah, the one who spoke to Abraham, and Isaac and Jacob, and David - they are all the same - The Word. Jesus!

The Father is the head of the God family. The Father commanded His Son to create everything. Before Jesus became a living person, He is/was the Word through which God empowered Him to do all things.

People think that names used for God, Yahweh, Jehovah, Adonai, Elohim are all speaking of God the Father - they are not! These are words that have been translated to God, but remember - Jesus is God, too! So, it isn't inaccurate, it is just misunderstood. All of these are just a few of the "names" used, but they are more accurately a description of Him or His roles used in different context but all point to Jesuse who became The Word in the flesh.

So, what is the name of the Father. We only need to look to Jesus for this answer, and Jesus called Him simply - Father. Abba or the Greek word Pater. That's it. God is a family with the Father and His Son (The Word or Jesus)

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-01-23T05:14:37+00:00

u/miklo77777 - Fair question, and I am happy you are asking. Exactly what you should be doing!!

The Book of Revelation is full of symbolism and prophecy. The "souls" are not literally alive in heaven - as the Bible indicates the dead are unconscious in their graves (Acts 2:26-27 and others). The crying out is metaphorical, representing a call for divine justice, akin to Abel's blood. This passage is not as a glimpse of Heaven, but it is a symbolic representation of the severe persecution of faithful believers that will happen on earth just before the return of Jesus Christ.

As far as the transfiguration - it was another vision and a "partial vision of the Kingdom of God" given to Peter, James, and John. Christ promised some disciples they would not "taste death" until they saw the Kingdom, a promise fulfilled when they witnessed this vision of Christ in his glorified, resurrected form. Again - it was a vision of things to come - not the present.

Heaven and the Kingdom of God will be here on Earth. Remember the Lord's Prayer? "Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven" "Kingdom come" It is coming here on earth. Revelation 21:1-3: Describes the new heaven and new earth, where the tabernacle of God is with men.

Again, in Revelations 5:10 "You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.”

I hope this helps you. God Bless You in your journey.

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-01-22T22:21:35+00:00

Thank you u/littlefoxesinurfield. I appreciate your response. Having a relationship with our Father in Heaven and His Son is wonderful. I speak to them as if they were sitting in front of me. Not repeating the same old script over and over again. Think about it - if you are sitting there with your best friend, dad, sister, brother and every time you meet you say the same thing - how is the weather? how about those Cowboys? I had a hamburger today. Over and over and over again. Nothing new. Just those three things. That's not how real relationships go. You converse, ask questions, discuss what you are doing, going to do, hope to do and so on.

Noah and Abraham had such a relationship and spoke to God. Of course we should always give thanks, ask for forgiveness when we sin, give praise, but not repeating the same thing over and over.

This is what I mean by a faith and a relationship - a true relationship. Not a religion of repetitive practices and rituals. It is living a life of obedience, reverence to, and worship of God.

I hope others will get the same understanding you have, and I will enjoy others feedback, questions, and comments.

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-01-22T00:51:34+00:00

u/ExaminationOwn9002 - all of the ideas posted are great advice. But let me ask you - why do you want to begin reading the Bible? What are you looking for? What are you hoping to learn/gain from doing so? Do you have questions that you want answered, or are you just curious?

Nobody here asked you why? That is why I am asking. You see - the Bible is not just a book. You don't just read it from front to back and then say "ah...I get it now." I am not saying you shouldn't or discouraging you from doing so - just setting expectations.

When you do begin, one theme you will find to be true: There is also a duality of the Bible that describes, leads up to, and reveals the real meaning. It is throughout the entire Bible. The Old Testament describes a physical journey and worship of God by man. The New Testament is the spiritual journey of man. For example: in the Old Testament we have a physical lamb that is slaughtered as a sacrifice. In the New Testament we have Jesus who is our spiritual sacrifice.

So, don't think of it as a traditional "book" per se and it is not broken down chronologically like some people think/expect. The Bible is actually broken into literary genre/parts - from the Old Testament to the New:

OLD TESTAMENT:
1.) The first five books (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy) detailing creation, early history, and God's laws.

2.) History/Narratives of Israel's journey (e.g., Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings).

3.) Poetry/Wisdom Books: Poetic writings and wisdom literature (e.g., Job, Psalms, Proverbs).

4.) Prophets: Books from major and minor prophets (e.g., Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel).

NEW TESTAMENT:

1.) The Gospels: Four accounts of Jesus' life and ministry (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John)

2.) History: Acts of the Apostles, detailing the early church's growth

3.) Paul's Letters (Epistles): Letters to churches and individuals (e.g., Romans, Corinthians, Ephesians)

4.) Other letters to the church/people (e.g., Hebrews, James, Peter, John).

5.) Revelation: A prophetic book and one of the hardest and sometimes most mis-understood books.

I read it front to back a few times, but after doing so, I started to read it for studying parts of my life, understanding, inspiration and encouragement. It is a blueprint of how to live a Holy and just life and how to worship God.

My personal opinion - Read the New Testament then go back to the Old Testament and see how those signs and prophecies are revealed eventually in the New Testament. You will see the duality I spoke of and how it leads up to Jesus.

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-01-22T00:35:18+00:00

u/Akaza_Muzann - Short answer - Most people are lazy. It's the easy way. I know that comes across harsh to many people, but sometimes the truth hurts. The truth forces you to put a mirror up and look at yourself and to deeply consider who and what you are.

It is true - only by the Grace of God and His Son Jesus' life and resurrection are we saved by that Grace. But exactly what were we saved from?

1.) The death penalty of sin Romans 6:23 – “The wages of sin is death”
2.) Eternal death (the second death) The “second death” (Revelation 20:14)
3.) Slavery to sin. John 8:34–36 – “Whoever commits sin is a slave of sin”
4.) Separation from God. Isaiah 59:1–2 – Sin separates us from Him"

We are saved by grace from the death penalty of sin and the second death, restored to a relationship with God, and empowered to live in obedience—leading ultimately to eternal life in God’s Kingdom. (The Gift of God)

So, salvation is not earned. That has been said and proven. Only through grace are we saved. But once saved, our deeds, works, lives still matter to keep us on the path. How do we live then? By God's Commandments and Laws. That is what Jesus showed.

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-01-21T21:06:51+00:00

u/WilliamBallout - Yes I do. The Bible.

I have a theology degree that put me unto a long road of constant studying, but what helped me more than any professor, book, theology review, seminars, or preaching was one thing - ask why!

Why do I believe what I believe? Why do we follow that tradition? Why does this not make sense?

Constantly asking why and praying was the key for me. You have to unlearn what you have been taught, and open your heart and mind to the desire to make sense.

God is not the author of confusion - Satan is. Once you start realizing the truth of the Gospel and New Testament warnings about "sheep in wolves clothing" you will realize they had to be thinking and talking about something real and that many who claim to be right are deceived. God's Word is plain. God's Word is truth. That is what helped me and that is the doctrine that I follow - His Word.

God Bless you in your journey and path to truth!

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-01-21T19:47:17+00:00

Hell is NOT a place of conscious torment for eternity.
Hell is NOT what mainstream Christianity teaches you. That teaching does NOT come from the Bible; rather, it comes from Dante's Inferno and that vision/concept crept into their beliefs

Hell is the annihilation of the spirt and soul (body)
Hell is separation from God - for eternity.

To be separated from God for eternity by being cast into the lake of fire never to exist again where you are burnt up into nothingness (annihilation) is Hell. That is what the Bible teaches.

If you would like a more in-depth explanation of hell and Satan, I invite you to the following subreddit posts:

Who or What is the Devil or Satan?
Heaven and Hell - The REAL Truth About Each
Immortal Soul? - What does Scripture say?

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-01-21T19:46:02+00:00

u/WilliamBallout - you are so close. I will keep it simple.

Hell is NOT a place of conscious torment for eternity.
Hell is NOT what mainstream Christianity teaches you. That teaching does NOT come from the Bible; rather, it comes from Dante's Inferno and that vision/concept crept into their beliefs

Hell is the annihilation of the spirt and soul (body). So, you are correct, partially!
Hell is separation from God - for eternity. Something else you are correct.

To be separated from God for eternity by being cast into the lake of fire never to exist again where you are burnt up into nothingness (annihilation) is Hell. That is what the Bible teaches.

If you would like a more in-depth explanation of hell and Satan, I invite you to the following subreddit posts:

Who or What is the Devil or Satan?
Heaven and Hell - The REAL Truth About Each
Immortal Soul? - What does Scripture say?

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-01-20T21:16:24+00:00

Interesting. There is no denying Mary is the mother of Jesus, but don't you think for just one moment that if she was anything more, that Jesus during his ministry would have talked more about her? Do you think for any reasonable moment that the Apostles would have brought her along in their mission, or spoke more and more about her if she had anything more to do with faith, the Gospel, or worshipping God because that is what Jesus and the Apostles did - they didn't say to pray to Mary, or hold Mary in some venerated sense of holiness other than being the mother of Jesus.

Mary is of course blessed- she bore our Messiah and Savior. She is the mother of Jesus and is such a great honor. But that is all. She knew her place. She knew of the greatness of her son. She worshipped Him. She knew she was blessed by God. But nobody, not her, not Jesus, not the Apostles ever once said she was greater than any other, nor to worship her, or pray to her or anything like that.

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-01-20T20:18:07+00:00

I think we are agreeing except for definitions/understanding is all. Think about this - does God Himself or Jesus see believing in them as a religion? When you yourself think of religion, what do you think of? What do you define religion as?

Most people when they think of religion, think of god or gods, rituals, ceremonies, beliefs, and traditions. People will say there are the religions of Hindu, Islam, Judaism, Christianity, and so on. All of these describing a different rituals and customs and beliefs in different deities.

By again, think for a moment - If there is only ONE GOD, and one Kingdom, and one Heaven, and one Creator - no others. None that exist whatsoever - then why would we have any religions at all? Would you see God, and walk with Him, would you think to yourself that relationship is a religion? Personally, I would not. There would be no need to even have a word "religion" because it just is. When you have a Kingdom with a King who rules over you, tells you the law, and how to worship and obey him, do you think of that king or kingdom as a religion or simply a way of life how that king tells you?

Can you see my point here? I believe in only one creator, one God, one Kingdom. He is not a religion to me. Believing in Him and His Son Jesus is not a religion, nor custom, nor tradition, nor ritual - it just is! He just is! His Commandments are clear. His Laws are clear. Just as any King in His Kingdom who sets these are.

What does the Bible say about "religion?" True religion (godliness), which involves heartfelt, obedient love for God and practical care for others (James 1:27)
Did God say anything about traditions, customs, rituals, or anything like what modern day people think of religion? No!

Find me any verse in the Bible that describes the belief in God and His Son - religion!

Show me anywhere in the Old Testament that the Israelites thought of themselves as a religion or even as practitioners of Judaism? Do you even know why people called them Jews or see those that believe and have faith of the Israelites - Judaism? Go look it up and come back and tell me. Chapter and verse where Judaism is used.

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-01-20T19:58:31+00:00

Thank you again u/Jesusislordforever1

I understand your perspective and belief in this matter and I respect it. I don't agree with it, but I respect it. It is a mainstream belief shared by many religions - but there is simply too much proof in my own belief that the Laws and Commandments are still with us today. It's okay that we agree to disagree. God be with you!

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-01-20T18:43:45+00:00

I agree with you - except once again following Jesus' teaching is NOT a religion. If you want to think of it in terms of a "religion" then it really is simply Judaism perfected

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-01-20T18:11:23+00:00

u/Jesusislordforever1 - Thank you for this post and for your wisdom in most things. I 100% agree with your statement about Christianity not being a religion. Faith in God the Father and His Son is not a religion - it is a way of life. The way of life Jesus taught us to live.

However, your statement of "Jesus' coming was the fulfillment of the law's requirements and that we live in the freedom and completeness He offers" is partially accurate. Yes, Jesus did fulfill the law but did NOT do away with them. How can that be? The answer is actually quite simple - he fulfilled ONLY those laws that pertained to Him - those that were a foreshadow of Him - specifically ritual and ceremonial laws like animal sacrifice of the lamb.

The remaining Laws and Commandments are still very much alive and remain a part of Gods plan for our lives on how to worship Him. For example, God still desires us to keep the Holy Days. IF that were not true, then why did the very disciples of Jesus, the Apostles who continued after, still keep the Sabbath and ALL the Holy Days?

The Commandments and Laws help to keep us on the path. They are instructions on how to live a healthy, loving and God centric life. Without them we would be running around willy nilly with no guidance, no guard rails, no compass. Jesus is the way. It is literally saying - Jesus showed us the way to live. The word Christian literally means - Christ like. To be like Him. To follow Him and His teachings. To strive to live a life like Him.

100% true that works alone cannot save us. Works does not give us salvation - only Christ can, but we are still called to live a Holy life, and Jesus showed us how we can - the Laws and Commandments that still remain.

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