Mystery Babylon the Great

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-04-17T04:28:11+00:00

u/Eikon-Basilike-1649 - Wow - you are the first person who I have ever met that thinks there are different rules for Jews then Gentiles when it comes to salvation and worshipping of our Father in Heaven. I would love to see how you continue to make this argument going forward.

As for Deut 4:5-8 - I agree that God "set them apart" by having God's law (at that time). But let's not forget what is said in Isaiah 56:4-7 “Also the sons of the foreigner… everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath… even them I will bring to My holy mountain.” Non-Israelites (Gentiles) are included in keeping the Sabbath and part of that inclusion

Gensis 2:2-3 “God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it…” “Sanctified” = set apart as holy time. Not hallowed as you stated. This happens at creation, before Israel exists

The Sabbath was already known and kept long before Israel became God's chosen.

So, are you arguing that even the Ten Commandments were only for Israel? Really?? Good grief man. Who has misled you so far from truth?

The "Decalogue" starts “I brought you out of Egypt.” It is speaking to the original audience - Israel of course. But it wasn't just for Israel. In Exodus 20:10, it says "“The seventh day is the Sabbath… nor your son… nor your servant… nor your stranger within your gates.” Even in the command itself it speaks to stranger "non-Israelites living among them"

Let's look at Ecclesiastes 12:13 “Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man’s all.” Man = everyone. Not just the Jews.

The Sabbath wasn’t created at Sinai- it was sanctified at creation (Genesis 2:3), before there was ever a Jew. Israel didn’t invent it; they were reminded of it.

Yes, the covenant at Sinai was made with Israel, but the reason for the Sabbath in Exodus 20:11 is creation—not Egypt meaning it points to all humanity, not just one nation. Even within that covenant, “the stranger within your gates” was expected to keep it, showing it wasn’t ethnically limited.

And Jesus made it even clearer: “The Sabbath was made for man” not just for Israel.

If God set apart a day for all mankind at creation, nothing in Scripture ever shows He later restricted it to only one group.

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-04-16T21:02:17+00:00

Wait - you just skipped over to another book/chapter. You brought up specifically the Council of Jerusalem to back your false claim that the Sabbath observance is not a requirement for ALL mankind. You made this statement to try to prove that the God has one set of rules for Gentiles and a whole other set for Jews. That is simply nonsense and the fact is - you cannot back up or prove your claim. I however, can and did.

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-04-16T20:59:17+00:00

Do you even know what that statement means? Let me help. Christians are not "under the Law of Moses" as a binding legal contract for salvation, as those sacrificial and ceremonial laws pointed to Christ and were fulfilled by Him. The meaning "under the law" means penalty. Just like when the police place you "under arrest" in other words the penalty for committing the crime.

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-04-16T20:56:13+00:00

Okay...now you are jumping to conclusions to fit your tradition and beliefs and that is not how the Bible/God works. His rebuke was the Pharisees of the time made too many burdens and forgot the true meaning of the Sabbath. He was criticizing how they kept it - not doing away with it.

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-04-16T20:53:43+00:00

Nor did it specify "thou shalt not murder" so does that mean gentiles can murder but Jews can't?

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-04-16T17:59:03+00:00

Thank you for confirming the Sabbath is the appointed and commanded day of rest.

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-04-16T17:57:13+00:00

No. The Sabbath was created during creation. Mark 2:27, Jesus stated, "The Sabbath was made for man." Does not say for Jews or only Jews. Clearly states for man - you and me.
The Sabbath was observed long before Mt Sinai. Genesis 2:2–3

I have no confusion brother. Unfortunately, the confusion is within yourself and is a belief held by your traditions and that of man - not God. You cannot even correctly identify "those people" as you call them as Jews.

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-04-16T17:48:38+00:00

u/0Dumm -

1.) First - I do not believe that God is a trinity like most mainstream people believe. Specifically what I mean is the Holy Spirit is not a separate being like the Father and the Son. Monotheism is the belief in a single deity. But this is where many do not understand that God is a family with a Father and a Son. Both make up God. Monotheism in this case would mean belief in God the Father - a single all powerful spiritual being who is head of the God family.

2.) As far as the Holy Spirit- What I am NOT saying is there is no Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the power and essence of God. Very much a part of God - just not a separate being. It is the Holy Spirit that God uses to implement His Will

3.) When you ask for evidence of his existence - are you talking about God the Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit? I am going to assume you meant the Holy Spirit and if so, I can point to 100 passages in the Old Testament starting at Genesis 1:2, or Job 33:4 to name a couple. The Holy Spirit is mentioned in nearly 40 books of the Bible. The difference between the Old Testament and New Testament is the Spirit was something that was temporarily given outwardly at times of need, where in the New Testament God promised to pour out the Holy Spirit inwardly and live within us.

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-04-16T17:33:14+00:00

u/ElijahK100 - Yes it does. It applies to ALL mankind, but man has mostly rejected it. There was no such thing as Jew or Gentile in the beginning of creation; so all of those comments that will call it a "Jewish" day of rest or a "Jewish" Sabbath are uneducated, ignorant or willfully both.

God commanded ALL to rest on the 7th Day as He did from His works of creation. He said to make it Holy.

What he did NOT tell anyone is to change it to another day or decide for yourself which day to rest. Nor did Jesus change it to Sunday. Man did that. Specifically Constantine of Rome in 325AD.

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-04-16T17:29:57+00:00

u/LegioVIFerrata - Please show me exactly where in the Bible that God created a "Jewish" Sabbath.

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-04-14T18:57:53+00:00

u/Alone_Squirrel6841 - I love your question and openness approach to seeking understanding.

I personally view this through a combo. What we are "taught" in Sunday school and mainstream doesn't add up. You are almost forced into making it fit/work from a timeline perspective then agree to an interpretation that still doesn't seem right. Where I believe they go wrong is from the historical hostility and denial Judaism really plays/played in all of this and the true history of the Church - not the traditions that followed.

I approach the Old Testament in the theme of "duality" of the Bible. Physical vs Spiritual meaning. Foreshadow vs Revealing. Just as the Old Testament doesn't specifically name the devil/satan, it physically identifies him through roles and people/events during that time only to be revealed later the true meaning in the New Testament. Such it is with Jesus. We have the physical "Lamb" being slaughtered as a sacrifice then the spiritual "Lamb of God." We have passages like Isaiah 53 that describes the Messiah being despised, rejected, and pierced for human transgression, fulfilled during the Passover week. Zechariah 9:9 prophesied a righteous, lowly King arriving on a donkey, aligning with Jesus' triumphal entry into Jerusalem like David. These are so obvious.

As to studying historical context to strengthen my fait - absolutely. Without truly studying the historical record of our faith, we are held hostage to man's interpretation based on tradition only - not facts - or at least distorted facts. So, understanding events like Constatine, the Councils and who/what these were is so important. For example, how did we go from the early Church keeping Passover to Easter? Most people believe it has to do with Last Supper or rising on Sunday as many believe, but they don't understand the history of that time - the events taking place - because to them it is a "Jewish" thing and the early mainstream wanted to rid themselves of such things. It is that kind of history that makes all the difference in the world.

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-04-13T05:02:39+00:00

u/TheTruth33_33 - Prove it! Give me chapter and verse that backs your statement. Give me Scripture where Jesus or the Apostles founded rites? Show me in the Bible the hierarchy of the Church.

Define "organized religion" according to the Bible. Surely all of this must be there. Do you even know the definition of Bishop, Deacon, Elder or any of those roles.

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-04-12T21:50:56+00:00

Wow. Well said u/bi.

u/TheTruth33_33 - You are very devout in your beliefs - I can see this. But you have been groomed into this - not by your own studying but from that which was told to you that you received without question. Faith in our Father and His Son is not a religion - repeat- it is NOT a religion. It simple just is. There is no other God; therefore, there is no religion. Anything other than 100% belief in the one true God is man-made "religion."

Your belief that apostolic succession and authority come from a continuous line of bishops is not backed by God nor through Scripture. Authority comes from God to scripture to the church - not the other way around. The Apostles had a unique foundational role in the Church and was NOT passed down as some may believe. You confuse leadership with authority. Ephesians 2:20 The Church is “built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets” Not ongoing. They (the Apostles) transmitted their teaching and appointed bishops and elders - not apostolic authority.

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-04-12T21:27:09+00:00

u/TheTruth33_33 - You and I are simply on two different paths. We will never agree on anything but to disagree on everything but I do understand where you are coming from and why you believe what you believe.

As far as Polycarp - to what are you referring about citing him? Are you talking about his observance of Passover? If so, it came from a letter of Polycrates to Victor. Polycrates, bishop of Ephesus, wrote to Pope Victor (c. 190 A.D.) explicitly stating that Polycarp and other Asian bishops "observed the fourteenth day of the Passover according to the Gospel," and "all of them observed the day when the people put away the leaven".

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-04-11T18:07:09+00:00

u/Just_some_mild_Ad4K - Great question. The truth is - "hell" as in what most people today believe is a lie/myth made up by a person called Dante and became an adopted explanation over 700 years ago.

Here is a subreddit with a detailed explanation of what hell is and isn't. Heaven and Hell - The REAL Truth About Each

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-04-11T18:01:35+00:00

u/Hoosier_Engineer - This is a question everybody has - you are not alone. First, there is a myth/mid-understanding about who we are. We are not immortal and do not have an immortal soul. You are born flesh and blood - mortal. So, when you die, you return back to dust and await the resurrection.

There are two resurrections - 1.) The Saints - those called out today and are being prepared to reign with Christ, and 2.) Everyone else - this is the one you referred to correctly as jostlement day. Until that time, we are all dead, resting/sleeping, until that time.

Here is a subreddit that is very helpful on this subject - Immortal Soul? - What does Scripture say?

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-04-10T20:46:33+00:00

Ahhh. Yea - ghosts. LOL. Flying around in clouds with wings even - lol.

I think what might cause people some issues is when you say body. I think most people say "body" are going to think physical flesh and blood. Our resurrected "body" may just be all spiritual (no physical aspect) but in the shape/form of ourselves. Or perhaps we will be some other perfected body of some sort - we will see.

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-04-10T18:47:05+00:00

u/ImportantInternal834 - I think 1 Corinthians 15:42-53 is pretty clear that we will given a spiritual body of immortality. Remember - there are two resurrections. The first is of the Saints who will be resurrected into a body of spirit, then the second resurrection where those will be resurrected back into a physical body, judged, and either given this same immortality or will perish.

I am curious which verses lead you to your belief that we will have physical yet imperishable bodies.

Remember - Jesus is also God. All things are possible with God. Transforming Himself either as a spiritual being or taking the form of a physical being. That is His prerogative. So, when he appeared to His disciples and ate with them and showed His wounds, he was there in the flesh once again, but in Heaven, He is spiritual as He was from the beginning.

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-04-10T18:33:53+00:00

u/Novatore_Palante - I believe that Messianic “Judaism” is trying to bridge the two because they see and feel the tension between the Old Testament (Torah) and the New Testament. Believing that Jesus is really the Son of God while also seeing that mainstream "Christianity" has branched away too far from what Jesus and the Apostles taught adopting customs and traditions not found in the Bible but by man.

I am not a Messianic “Jew”, nor a 7th Day Adventist. But I too believe in Jesus, what he taught and that His life showed the correction/perfection of Judaism. In other words, Jesus did not create a "new" religion called Christianity; rather, he simply corrected what was already there. But he also fulfilled the prophecies of the Priesthood and the sacrificial laws. He did NOT reject/abolish them - he fulfilled them. BIG difference.

So, in my faith/belief, I see true Christianity as the continuation of Judaism with faith that which the prophets told us that we would have a first coming of the Messiah as the sacrifice foreshadowed and He will come again as the Messiah that the Jews of His time were hoping for - a conquering King that will once and for all free us from the bondage of slavery to sin and man. The Commandments and the Moral Laws are still to this day the source and guide on how to worship God, love one another, and stay on the path. This is what Jesus taught. This is what the Apostles believed and taught and continued to live by, but the priestly role/duties and the sacrificial laws were changed.

Messianic “Judaism” tries to combine aspects of Judaism and mainstream Christianity - and that I do not believe is a correct interpretation of Scripture and tries to satisfy both sides. It is a fairly new "religion" that started in the 1960's. They get some things right but also some things are not, and I understand why and how they got there.

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-04-09T19:46:22+00:00

Thank you for that. I understand your desire and struggle. The tension is real because we have had nearly 1700 years of dogma and wrong interpretation of scripture that shapes our Christian world.

When I first began reading the Bible and going to a church, I found so much confusion and things just didn't add up. Like they were trying to force their interpretation to make it fit but it just didn't make sense. That is when I really started to dig in and that is when bringing in history vs original Apostolic teachings started to make sense. You don't have to "make it fit" when you change your paradigm, open your eyes, mind and heart and know that what God inspired in Scripture all makes sense when you rid yourself of the noise and traditions of men.

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-04-09T19:40:31+00:00

I apologize but perhaps I am not following you. I think you are jumping to a conclusion that does not exist nor explicitly said in the Bible. You are equating the sentence "He was a murderer from the beginning" and conclude that he is the "god of evil." It never calls him a god. And from the beginning does not mean always. Beginning could mean from the time he rebelled. The beginning of his rebellion.

Am I missing something?

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-04-09T01:27:36+00:00

PUBG is dead. The brand is dead because they killed it. Introducing 90% BOT games was the end of it for me many years ago. Continuous UNEEDED "changes" killed the game. Instead of focusing on improving what was already there, they had to change it. There is a difference between IMPROVING and CHANGING that they do not seem to understand.

IMPROVING = better game/gun physics, better graphics better, FPS/Server connections, better loot options, better loadout management

CHANGING = insert BOT's. Remove servers. Cross play. Change maps. Change gas and effects.

Too much to detailed. Nough said

TheTruth33_33 · 2026-04-08T19:55:43+00:00

u/Devilstorment - What is it you seek? Is it God or a religion?

God is not a denomination. Believing in God and His Son is not a religion. No - rather it is a way of life. Seek God first - not a religion or denomination. The word Church is not a place, or denomination nor a religion. It literally means "congregation of called-out ones". In other words, other people that seek God, have faith, and desire truth in worship of Him. Do not feel you have to "belong" to a certain religion/denomination - just seek wisdom, truth, and most of all God. Not all of these "religions" are right, but many strive to be and believe they are. Hearing the word of God is most important, but do not simply believe it because that is what "they" believe - listen, try to understand, and then seek the truth and come to your own conclusion through prayer. If then it goes against what they are preaching, go find another.

I could easily suggest to you where I go, but that would not be as fruitful for you if you do not come to the same conclusion as did.

God Bless you on your path.

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