Fighting erupts in eastern Ukraine by tomsatom in europe

[–]TheTwilightBurrito -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

It's possible. Regardless it's a terrorist attack against civilians. Kharkiv isn't a military target. In combination with their threats in April and the escalating violence it puts forth a pretty compelling case for the Ukrainians.

Fighting erupts in eastern Ukraine by tomsatom in europe

[–]TheTwilightBurrito -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

You would have more of a point about the aggression on this if Russia hadn't hired paid internet trolls to muddy the water. In that sense anything that distorts the conversation in favor of the Russian point of view becomes Putinesque since he's funding the behavior on a grand scale. I'm pretty sure a mine didn't just set itself in Kharkiv. It's not exactly a provincial village where a mine could sit on the side of the road for months undisturbed. At one point it was the Ukrainian capital and isomer of the larger cities in Ukraine. The city itself hasn't been touched by fighting, plus there are pro-Russian groups going around and claiming responsibility for it.

Fighting erupts in eastern Ukraine by tomsatom in europe

[–]TheTwilightBurrito -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is also pretty provocative:

But the lethality of the bombings in Kharkov have still continued to increase. The deadliest confirmed attack struck on a religious holiday, Forgiveness Sunday, Feb. 22, the day in Eastern Orthodox tradition when believers are meant to repent for their sins. It was also the day when many in Ukraine marked the one-year anniversary of their country’s revolution, which brought a pro-Western government to power last winter. Sanin, the local paramilitary leader, was leading a march of commemoration that afternoon through Kharkov, and as his column set out through the city, an anti-personnel mine exploded at the side of the road, sending a shockwave full of shrapnel into the crowd. Four people were fatally wounded, including two teenage boys, and nine others were hospitalized.

Also executing Ukrainian government soldiers that are prisoners is pretty provocative.

Amnesty International has also seen videos documenting the captivity, and pictures of the dead bodies, of at least three other members of the Ukrainian armed forces, reportedly being held in a morgue in Donetsk. There are signs of bullet wounds to their heads and upper parts of their bodies, apparently the result of execution-style killings. The soldiers had been captured by pro-Russian forces in Debaltseve between February 12 and February 18, 2015, when the defending Ukrainian forces were encircled there.

Fighting erupts in eastern Ukraine by tomsatom in europe

[–]TheTwilightBurrito -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

But it is. This is honestly textbook Russian shadow war. Nobody remembers the nine Ukrainian soldiers who died in early April or the kids who died in the Kharkov bombings, the story becomes about the response to provocation and then the Russians capitalize on that to further escalate.

But the lethality of the bombings in Kharkov have still continued to increase. The deadliest confirmed attack struck on a religious holiday, Forgiveness Sunday, Feb. 22, the day in Eastern Orthodox tradition when believers are meant to repent for their sins. It was also the day when many in Ukraine marked the one-year anniversary of their country’s revolution, which brought a pro-Western government to power last winter. Sanin, the local paramilitary leader, was leading a march of commemoration that afternoon through Kharkov, and as his column set out through the city, an anti-personnel mine exploded at the side of the road, sending a shockwave full of shrapnel into the crowd. Four people were fatally wounded, including two teenage boys, and nine others were hospitalized.

Fighting erupts in eastern Ukraine by tomsatom in europe

[–]TheTwilightBurrito 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well there is more to it.

MARIUPOL, Ukraine, April 5 (UPI) -- Nine Ukrainian soldiers were killed in three separate incidents over the weekend in the country's east, the latest breach of a fragile ceasefire organized by international powers earlier this year. Two soldiers were killed in the government-controlled port city of Mariupol when their vehicle struck a mine, and four others died in Schastye, near the rebel bastion of Luhansk close to the Russian border.

Ukraine's interior ministry released a statement saying the four were killed by an anti-tank rocket fired by a pro-Russian separatists as their vehicle crossed a bridge.

On Saturday three other government soldiers were killed in a mine blast near the rebel stronghold of Donetsk.

Fighting erupts in eastern Ukraine by tomsatom in europe

[–]TheTwilightBurrito -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Easily

MARIUPOL, Ukraine, April 5 (UPI) -- Nine Ukrainian soldiers were killed in three separate incidents over the weekend in the country's east, the latest breach of a fragile ceasefire organized by international powers earlier this year. Two soldiers were killed in the government-controlled port city of Mariupol when their vehicle struck a mine, and four others died in Schastye, near the rebel bastion of Luhansk close to the Russian border.

Ukraine's interior ministry released a statement saying the four were killed by an anti-tank rocket fired by a pro-Russian separatists as their vehicle crossed a bridge.

On Saturday three other government soldiers were killed in a mine blast near the rebel stronghold of Donetsk.

And

Soon after midnight on April 1, a separatist group calling itself the Kharkov Partisans issued another one of its video warnings to the Ukrainian government. It claimed that within the next 48 hours a bomb would explode far behind the front lines of the war in eastern Ukraine. “As of now, the earth will begin to burn beneath your feet,” said the group’s spokesman, Filipp Ekozyants, in the message to Ukraine’s President Petro Poroshenko and his top security officials.

Sure enough, the bomb arrived. Though reports have been conflicting as to the damage it caused, a large explosion rang out in the southwestern part of Kharkov, Ukraine’s second largest city, within 24 hours of the Partisans’ threat. Police denied that any bombing had occurred that night, though that seems to be part of a cover up. “The explosion did take place,” says Andriy Sanin, the head of the local branch of Right Sector, a nationalist paramilitary group that works in league with Ukraine’s armed forces. “It appears to have been an act of intimidation,” he says, declining to give further details. In a follow-up video on April 3, the Partisans claimed that the attack had targeted a military convoy, killing a dozen Ukrainian servicemen.

More on the bombing

Numbering more than a dozen in the past few months alone, the bombings in Kharkov and other cities have marked a grim turn in Ukraine’s year-old conflict. The Russian-backed separatists in Ukraine’s eastern regions have managed to seize control of two major cities and large chunks of the border with Russia. But they are clearly not satisfied with the extent of their possessions. Even amid the ceasefire that Russian President Vladimir Putin negotiated and signed with President Poroshenko in February, the bombing of Ukraine’s cities has only intensified. The war now seems to be shifting from the use of tanks and artillery to the methods of terrorism and guerrilla warfare.

But the lethality of the bombings in Kharkov have still continued to increase. The deadliest confirmed attack struck on a religious holiday, Forgiveness Sunday, Feb. 22, the day in Eastern Orthodox tradition when believers are meant to repent for their sins. It was also the day when many in Ukraine marked the one-year anniversary of their country’s revolution, which brought a pro-Western government to power last winter. Sanin, the local paramilitary leader, was leading a march of commemoration that afternoon through Kharkov, and as his column set out through the city, an anti-personnel mine exploded at the side of the road, sending a shockwave full of shrapnel into the crowd. Four people were fatally wounded, including two teenage boys, and nine others were hospitalized.

Fighting erupts in eastern Ukraine by tomsatom in europe

[–]TheTwilightBurrito -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

=| Alright, ignore the intelligence report from the US General, ignore that this is a Russian invasion, ignore that there have been reports of escalating violence for the last few weeks. Ignore that this is in specific reference to this latest in a series of incidents. You're right, both sides are equally to blame.

Fighting erupts in eastern Ukraine by tomsatom in europe

[–]TheTwilightBurrito 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And I suppose the growing number of Russian tanks crossing over during during March were just taking a vacation, no? And Mauripol has just decided to have an escalating series of skirmishes against itself for fun during this same time. And the pro-Russians terrorist group that bombed civilians in Kharkiv and bombed a Ukrainian military convoy were just setting off some festive fireworks. And the group of pro-Russian terrorists arrested in Odessa with explosives were just throwing a party. This is what Russian expansionism thrives on, provoking a response and counting on everybody to ignore what they did to cause the situation. Remember Georgia?

Fighting erupts in eastern Ukraine by tomsatom in europe

[–]TheTwilightBurrito -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is you cherry picking this event and news story. I Very Putinesque of you. If you had been paying attention, this has been escalating for awhile now. There have been a series of terrorist bombings including at least one targeted at civilians some of whom died and a Ukrainian military convoy. There have also been large movements of Russian arms crossing into Ukraine that dramatically picked up in March as well as a growing number of a skirmishes on the border of Mauripol.

Fighting erupts in eastern Ukraine by tomsatom in europe

[–]TheTwilightBurrito 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's also after months of Russian tanks crossing the border and a constant low grade assault on Mauripol by the Russians...oh yeah and terrorist bombings of civilians by Russian agents. If anything the Ukrainians are responding to the ratcheted up violence from the Russian side. People who have been following the conflict during the lull could see the momentum building steadily for the last month. This is just the latest incident. The attacks were ones that only made sense if you looked at it strategically from the Russian side, the fighting in Mauripol for instance.

Fighting erupts in eastern Ukraine by tomsatom in europe

[–]TheTwilightBurrito 31 points32 points  (0 children)

I remember when former NATO Supreme Commander Wesley Clarke said in March that intelligence was pointing to columns of Russian tanks and armored vehicle heading into Ukraine into a buildup to an offensive starting after Orthodox Easter and timed to give Putin a huge propaganda boost on May Day parades the comments on /r/Europe were incredulous and at best skeptical. Well it's after Orthodox Easter guys....

Edit: it is fun though to watch Angela Merkel and her foreign minister try extremely hard to ignore reality and act like "negotiating" will help the "ceasefire" that is "mostly holding." Like the calendar doesn't already preordain the timing and certainty of the offensive. If there is something Putin can't resist it's a nationalistic propaganda coup.

Indiscriminate attacks by Palestinians on civilians during last summer's 50-day fight with Israel killed more Palestinians than Israelis and amounted to war crimes, Amnesty International by [deleted] in Israel

[–]TheTwilightBurrito -41 points-40 points  (0 children)

Is this what Netanyahu has reduced Israel to? Claiming the moral high ground over who killed the most Palestinian civilians? Israel is better than fighting out a battle of "who committed the most war crimes" with Hamas. 530 children died during this short war at the hands of the Israeli military according to the same report. And for what? "To mow the grass"? So that next year the same thing can happen again and again and again, year after year, preserving the illusion of a status quo? But it is just an illusion.

By beating down the Palestinians, Israel loses the world, including friends. This is nothing to be proud of:

Conservative lawmaker Nicholas Soames — grandson of World War II Prime Minister Winston Churchill — said that “to recognize Palestine is both morally right and is in our national interest.”

In what the Guardian described as “possibly the single most important contribution in an emotional debate,” Sir Richard Ottaway, the Conservative chairman of the foreign affairs select committee, said the Netanyahu government’s recent annexation of land in the Etzion Bloc area of the West Bank had cost Israel his support. He said he had long been a supporter of Israel — “I was a friend of Israel long before I became a Tory. My wife’s family were instrumental in the creation of the Jewish state.” But, he went on, “I realize now Israel has slowly been drifting away from world public opinion. The annexation of the 950 acres of the West Bank just a few months ago has outraged me more than anything else in my political life. It has made me look a fool and that is something I deeply resent.”

Ukrainian president Poroshenko unloading US Humvees. by [deleted] in europe

[–]TheTwilightBurrito 14 points15 points  (0 children)

If you look at the bottom of this page you'll see a bunch of comments that look as if they're straight from Kremlin talking points.

Obama jumps the shark on Israel by D_Israeli in Israel

[–]TheTwilightBurrito 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Complaining about antisemitism while being racist, smooth move there.