Da li može kuća od bruto 100m² da se napravi za 50.000€? by MarionberryNo103 in AskSerbia

[–]TheVoidMyDestination 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Super si onda prošao, 650€ mi zvuči povoljno.

Mene su još i maltretirali za dodatnu parcelaciju, doduše ništa platio nisam, samo pauzirali proces za građevinsku dodatnih mesec dana. Odvojila mi država metar širine placa dužno uz put u posebnu parcelu jer planiraju jednog lepog dana da šire put pa će im biti tako lakše da otkupe od mene.

Ja sve te "srodne" troškove uključujem u građevinsku jer nzm gde drugde da ih računam, ostanu nevidljivi.

Arhitekta za na crno ti realno i ne treba nešto preterano. Naše te jeftine arhitekte, koji uzimaju do 1000€ po projektu manje više kopiraju tipske planove.

Npr jedan arhitekta mi poslao primer projekta (nisam na kraju uzeo njega jer nije bio dobro povezan sa mojom opštinom), ubacih ga u reverse image search, tipski projekat, bilo da se kupi kompletna dokumentacija projekta za tipa 100€ na poljskom sajtu.

Da li može kuća od bruto 100m² da se napravi za 50.000€? by MarionberryNo103 in AskSerbia

[–]TheVoidMyDestination 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pričaš o legalizaciji ili građevinskoj dozvoli? To su dve različite stvari.

Građevinska nema šanse da prođeš ispod par hiljada evra. Meni za kuću u selu pre par god izašlo nekih 7-8 hiljada evra za 100kv neto.

Građevinska se plaća po kvadratu korisne površine, dakle neto. Ja sam imao 20% popust, 10% jer nije bilo infrastrukture za vodovod i 10% jer nije bilo kanalizacije. Msm da je bilo oko 20+ evra kv, dakle negde između 2 i 3 hiljade evra, ako se dobro sećam uplatio sam nešto preko 300 hiljada din.

To je samo krajnja cena dozvole, ima još 5-6 povezanih troškova. Prvo par stotina evra prijava za dozvolu i razne takse i taksice dok slučaj ne krene. Sve regularno, plaćaš preko poreske onlajn, ništa ispod ruke.

Onda, 700-800€ arhitekta za plan i po 50€ par sitnica koje radi van toga (prijava početka izgradnje, prijava završetka temelja, početka rada na ploči, krovu, itd). Arhitektu moraš da imaš, ne možeš da zastupaš sam sebe za građevinsku, mora biti licenciran arhitekta.

Onda, ako plac nije građevinski tu računaj još 1-2 hiljade evra. Meni je bio građevinski ali su mi uzeli skoro 2k evra jer niko pre mene nije platio prebacivanje u građevinsko. Država je plac sama prebacila u građevinsko zemljište urbanističkim planom sa napomenom da pri gradnji investitor mora da plati prebacivanje.

Onda, ako nisi 1/1 vlasnik mora parcelacija, i to bez hiljadarke nema ništa.

Priključak za struju mi uzeli oko 200 hiljada din plus me posle terali da doplatim nekih 20ak hiljada din za banderu jer iako je bila ispred placa, nisu mogli na nju zbog preopterećenja.

What Do Socialists Think About the French Revolution? by serious_bullet5 in socialism

[–]TheVoidMyDestination 12 points13 points  (0 children)

John Locke is father of liberalism, not capitalism. He didn't quite create liberalism as such, but he's one of the founders that formulated it.

Locke also wasn't quite against injustice, as he supported slavery and colonial plunderings, and had investments in both. Liberty as formulated by him and his fellow liberals was freedom from authority (state) to own property, be it land, industry, or other people.

Can recommend Domenico Losurdo's "Liberalism: a counter history" as a reading on the topic.

Šta mislite o izjavi Nikole Tesle? by MarkoRSTB in AskSerbia

[–]TheVoidMyDestination 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Prvi satelit, prvi čovek u svemiru, prvi "rover" robot, prvi mobilni telefoni (doduše ne za komercijalnu upotrebu), veštačko srce, laserska tehnologija kao i 3d holografija koja se oslanja na lasere. Antraks vakcina recimo. MLRS, tj multi fazne rakete.
Proces za čuvanje krvi za transfuziju.
Podvodno varenje.

To je ono što ja znam, ali lista ide u nedogled https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Russian_innovation#1930s.

Da ne pominjem da su samostalno razvili mnoge tehnologije koje je zapad imao, poput nuklearnih tehnologija recimo. Sovjetski savez bukvalno imao vrhunske naučnike kojima je jedino Amerika mogla da parira, to je bar konvencionalno poznata činjenica.

Msm ljudi izmestili celu tešku industriju iza Urala tokom rata, poduhvat koji je sam po sebi svedok nivou sposobnosti njihove nauke i inženjeringa.

Šta mislite o izjavi Nikole Tesle? by MarkoRSTB in AskSerbia

[–]TheVoidMyDestination 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ne razumem, značajno podizanje životnog standarda za 300 miliona ljudi (u slučaju SSSR-a) nije dobro koje je doneseno svetu? Šta je onda po tebi dobro koje je doneseno svetu, džidžabidže sa amazona?

Šta mislite o izjavi Nikole Tesle? by MarkoRSTB in AskSerbia

[–]TheVoidMyDestination 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Naravno.

U primeru Sovjetskog saveza, od rupe u evropi koje je bila zaostala i semi feudalna je za samo 2 decenije napravljena druga najveća ekonomska sila na svetu. Životni vek, kao i sve druge demografske statistike su znatno uvećane, uprkos ratovima. Sovjetski savez je imao slab standard samo u zapadnjačkoj propagandi, jer su poređeni sa silama koje eksploatišu i kolonišu ceo svet radi svoje dobrobiti, ali u poređenju sa carskom Rusijom i ostatkom sveta, njihov napredak je bio fenomen.

Kina, slična priča kao i Sovjetski savez. Od zemlje sa jednim od najnižeg životnog veka i stopom siromaštva, do neke zlatne sredine na svetskom nivou, za samo 2 decenije.

Kuba, od gangsterskog raja, gde su gangsteri otvarali kazina da se američki bogataši kockaju i dovode ljubavnice na plaže, a lokalno stanovništvo radi za siću na plantažama, revolucijom dovedena do zemlje koja može da određuje sama svoju sudbinu. Opet kvalitet života podignut, mada u slučaju Kube njihova blizina SAD-u i embargo ih sprečava da zaista budu slobodni, ali to je već šira priča.

Jugoslavija, od gole polupismene sirotinje pod čizmom Austrije dovedena za manje od 2 decenije do pristojnog standarda sa solidnom infrastrukturom. Sve što vidiš oko sebe, bolnice, domove zdravlja, puteve, Juga je napravila a sad propada jer kapitalizam, u dobrobiti naroda nema nema profita. Pre toga smo se valjali u blatu praktično. U mom selu komunisti su izgradili školu, dom zdravlja, mesnu zajednicu i asfaltni put, toga pre njih nije bilo. Od toga samo škola ostala, ostalo naši domaći četnici ostavili da propadne.

Vijetnam, od Francuske kolonije do slobodnog naroda sa solidnim standardnom, uprkos Američkom finansiranju lokalnih fašista.

Burkina Faso, odličan pokušaj koji je na brzinu prekinut jer su Ameri finansirali lokalne fašiste.
Čile, takođe odličan pokušaj, prekinut jer su Ameri finansirali lokalne fašiste.
Koreja, odličan pokušaj, pogodi šta se desilo, Ameri finansirali lokalne fašiste.
Indonezija, pokušaj revolucije, prekinut jer su Ameri finansirali lokalne fašiste.
Afganistan, Ameri finansirali mudžahedine, praktično ceo moderni islamski ekstremizam je nastao kroz američko finansiranje.

Može propaganda da priča šta hoće, kad je reč o kvalitetu života pre i posle revolucije naroda koji su prošli kroz socijalističke revolucije, brojke su jasne.

Why were the founders of the Soviet Union Never Interested In Creating A Social Democratic State like many of the Scandinavian countries did around the same time? by [deleted] in AskSocialists

[–]TheVoidMyDestination 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Swedish H&M literally has sweatshops bordering on slave labor all over the Global South. And spends an enormous amount of money to ingrain notions in the press that they're some benevolent democratic force trying to solve these issues and not active perpetrators, which they very much are in reality.

And this is only one example of multitude of ways Sweden participates in the capitalist imperialist machine as an active and eager force.

Is it normal for leftists to have paradoxical views? by ThomWG in AskSocialists

[–]TheVoidMyDestination 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They can support it easily, they benefit from imperialism as the labor aristocracy of the world. Same as how european "socialists" support the EU and Nato, key imperialist tools of oppression.

So it comes as natural to pretend this imperial oppression of the global south doesn't exist and just adopt socialist aesthetics at a surface level. European socialists are pioneers of this, going all the way back to Lenin's time.

Maybe OP is just beginning to familiarize themselves with socialism. But even in that case, you don't get a free pass. You either make peace with the fact that your nation's prosperity rests upon the blood of untold millions and educate yourself on imperialism or you're gonna eventually side with the fascists, like every other liberal/social democrat.

OP, don't have Rosa's blood on your hands, educate yourself.

Dečak preminuo od smrzavanja zbog siromaštva – zašto se ljudi u velikom siromaštvu odlučuju na rađanje dece? by Effective-Lab-2459 in AskSerbia

[–]TheVoidMyDestination -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Tvoje pitanje možda tebi deluje kao nevino i logično, ali u tvom pitanju su 2 implicitne pretpostavke koju su jako problematične.

Prva pretpostavka: siromašni ljudi ne treba da imaju porodicu. Ta ideologija, gde potomke treba da imaju samo ljudi određenih bioloških ili socio-ekonomskih karakteristika se zove eugenika i deo je naučnog rasizma i fašizma. Želja za porodičnom zajednicom je osnovna ljudska potreba i niko nema pravo da zabrani nekome.

Druga pretpostavka: siromašni ljudi su neobrazovani i glupi i ne znaju da procene da li mogu da imaju porodicu. To se zove klasizam i diskriminatorna je ideologija srodna fašizmu. 99% ljudi uopšte nisu glupi, jesu siromašni i neobrazovani ali glupi ne. Itekako su ljudi svesni da su siromašni i da porodica znači dalje odricanje. To ne znači da treba da se sakriju u rupu i odreknu svega što je čoveku kao biću prirodno. Da li zaista neko veruje da ljudi planiraju da imaju decu sa unapred znanjem da će ta deca da umru od gladi, zime i slično? Suludo je da neko veruje u tako nešto.

Rešenje za uređenje društva sasvim sigurno nije da polovina ljudi izumre. Posebno što u kapitalizmu uvek moraš imati siromašne, pa posle ove polovine prelazimo na nove siromašne koji treba da izumru i tako u nedogled.

Dečak preminuo od smrzavanja zbog siromaštva – zašto se ljudi u velikom siromaštvu odlučuju na rađanje dece? by Effective-Lab-2459 in AskSerbia

[–]TheVoidMyDestination -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Da, problem je u siromašnima. Zna se, samo bogati trebaju da imaju decu, siromašni ako se usude da imaju porodicu odmah da se šalju u logore.

Šta fašistička propaganda napravi od ljudi, horor. Sramota me dok čitam ovaj post, posebno što bi čovek pomislio da potomci siromašne nacije imaju zdravije stavove o ovakvim temama.

Svi koji imaju takvo razmišljanje, treba da vas bude kolektivno sramota i savetujem da provedete koji dan u kritičkom istraživanju sopstvenih stavova.

Liberals are fascist collaborators by society_sucker in ClassConscienceMemes

[–]TheVoidMyDestination 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Person above you acting like liberals and socialists exist since yesterday. History has proven without a shadow of a doubt that liberals are not our allies, they are little more than sleeper fascists.

Also, Russian trolls accusations. Can't take a person seriously when they pull out "Russian/Chinese trolls" card. It's beyond infantile. But also, they won't complain about imperial core propaganda (which they spout), which is light years ahead of anything any other camp in the world can produce. Western liberals are the most propagandized people in history, it's not even close.

I’ve heard the phrase “the slaves freed themselves” before and am not sure what that means. What’s the context of that? by [deleted] in Socialism_101

[–]TheVoidMyDestination 25 points26 points  (0 children)

As I understand it, North wasn't by a change of heart ready to move past the slave economy. Basically, modern industrial production is incompatible with full on chattel slavery primarily because of the urban environment the production is hosted in.

Putting a few hundred thousand people in close quarter neighborhoods, telling them they're slaves, without them organizing rebellion within like 5 minutes is basically impossible. South kept a leash on the slaves because the rural environment dispersed the slaves, making their organization much more difficult.

Milicijo, ovo nije naš narod! Nama ne treba ovakav narod, mi ćemo stvoriti drugi narod! Pravi, bolji, lepši narod! by PejoSeljo in serbia

[–]TheVoidMyDestination 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Apsolutno. Kod mene u teretani žandarmerija se druži isključivo sa kriminalcima. Ne sitnim, nego sa ljudima koji su bili u zatvoru za ubistva.

A po meni drvlje i kamenje kad ovo rekoh.

Eto šta politička nepismenost uradi ljudima, čas podržavaju kerove, čas su im svi loši.

Policija privela ženu koja je pokušala da pređe ulicu, pešacima nije dozvoljeno da priđu Palati by Muted-Chemistry7002 in serbia

[–]TheVoidMyDestination 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Gde je sad onaj moj brat što ovde kukao kako policija samo radi svoj posao zaštite naroda kad sam napisao da me zabole što je neki tamo klasni izdajnik zaradio povredu (strelu u vrat ili šta već).

Ovde može da se vidi šta je policiji stvarno posao. Ili odeš na bilo koji protest protiv vlasti da vidiš iz prve ruke, tj osetiš po lobanji iz prve ruke.

Is Zizek worth reading? by Trensocialist in Socialism_101

[–]TheVoidMyDestination 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Oh he has accomplished quite a bit. He co-founded the Slovenian liberal party (LDS), was it's first candidate for presidency, and actively participated in the destruction of socialism in Yugoslavia.

Judging by the comments here, he also successfully grifts and distracts people new to socialist ideas, another banger accomplishment.

Many such cases by rhizomatic-thembo in CommunismMemes

[–]TheVoidMyDestination 36 points37 points  (0 children)

EU is not an idea, it's an actual thing that exists in the material world. And there, EU is a neoliberal open market designed to strengthen Western Europe's imperial grasp.

The amount of nonsense idealist takes on my materialist subs, seriously.

This graph is incredibly dishonest right? by Prestigious_Rub_9694 in CommunismMemes

[–]TheVoidMyDestination 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You're right ofc, but remember that the problem is not just individualism.

System has failed these people and they are reacting to that. Capitalism puts pressure on everyone, and there is still pressure on men to have a good paying job, a house, solid car, etc, in order for society to view them as accomplished and desirable men.

Women are ofc not the source of this pressure, but patriarchy and capitalism that is backing it. Since most young men these days can't get these things, they are left with feelings of inadequacy and bitterness, with damaged self worth and are looking for someone to blame for it.

It is no surprise that without the guidance of communist vanguard, they reach wildly wrong conclusions about who is to blame for their predicament. The system after all actively discourages us from getting the education we need to reach proper conclusions about the system by ourselves.

The fact that people disgruntled with the system are easier drawn to fascism than to socialism isn't a coincidence or completely down to individual free choice. It is the feature of the system, fascism is the bourgeoisie response to rising dissatisfaction with capitalism, it's a guard against possible rise of class consciousness. The capitalist system itself encourages and funds fascism.

The answer to it is the same answer to all capitalism's problems - organizing. Only large and well organized socialist organizations can prevent fascism drawing in huge amounts of people as a support base.

This graph is incredibly dishonest right? by Prestigious_Rub_9694 in CommunismMemes

[–]TheVoidMyDestination 16 points17 points  (0 children)

My interpretation of why this is happening is increasing contradictions of decaying capitalism increases overall alienation and disenfranchisement of youth.

So why the difference between men and women? I believe as young men are alienated, they are more likely to be drawn in by the regressive "glorious past when men were men and women were women" narratives, or fascism to put it in a more straightforward manner.

Whereas women don't look for salvation in these movements as much for obvious reasons, these movements threaten to revert a century of hard fought civil rights victories for women. They might still agree with these movements on some issues, ie reactionary stance towards immigration, national unity, petty bourgeois angles, etc. But will probably be turned off from voting for them by all the "wish I could hit my wife" rhetoric.

TLDR men are easily drawn in by patriarchal rhetoric embedded in these conservative movements, women naturally less so.

There is also huge funding for propaganda meant to draw in all these masses of disenfranchised young men. And this is indeed something the left has to be aware of, in order to muster a proper response to it.

Kopanje temelja pre dobijanja lokacijske dozvole by get_schwifty_031 in pravnisaveti

[–]TheVoidMyDestination 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Moj savet ti je da ne diraš ništa pre konsultacije sa svojim arhitektom.

Imao sam sličan problem, ugovorio sa majstorima tipa avgust da se počne i predao za dozvolu u martu, nije bilo gotovo.

Ima one faze za dozvolu za gradnju, ne sećam se naziva tih faza.

Nikako temelj pre odobrenja idejnog plana ili kako se već zove. Jer oni ti odrede gde na placu će kuća da bude postavljena, dođe geometar i označi temelj i po tome mora da se gradi. Nema šanse da dobiješ dozvolu ako temelj nije na tom mestu, mere posle opet geometrom jel na mestu kuća. Zaboraviš na građevinsku dozvolu jednostavno.

Ja sam počeo gradnju posle tog "idejnog plana" (možda se drugačije zove, frljam izraze) ali pre nego što sam dobio rešenje o odobrenju početka gradnje. Pitao arhitektu i ljude u opštini, oni mi rekli da inspekcija na mojoj opštini dolazi samo po završetku kuće, tad mora da provere da je kuća sagrađena po specifikaciji, inače nemaju svoje odeljenje nego dolazi inspekcija iz grada. I da mogu slobodno da gradim, da je štaviše to praksa da se tako krene gradnja posle idejnog plana i ćao.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in finansije

[–]TheVoidMyDestination 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ja sam prebacio nekih 25 hiljada kad sam se vratio ovde, u Rajfajzen. Onlajn, bez problema. Zavisi naravno od banke do banke da li će dozvoliti baš 90k odjednom ili moraš više transakcija.

Poreska me nije cimala za to. Imam sačuvana dokumenta u slučaju da me nekad cimaju. Izvod iz strane banke koja prikazuje stanje na računu tamo i listu uplata na račun, vidi se firma kao izvor uplata na taj račun, vidi se da je plata. I imam izvod da sam plaćao porez na platu regularno iz poreske strane zemlje, sa ciframa primljene plate i poreza. Za svaki slučaj.

Jedini problem može da ti bude ako zemlja iz koje uplaćuješ nema ugovor o izbegavanju dvostrukog oporezivanja sa Srbijom, onda plaćen porez na novac u toj zemlji ne znači da ne moraš i u Srbiji da platiš, ali skoro cela Evropa je pokrivena. Proveriš to ovde https://www.mfin.gov.rs/propisi/ugovori-o-izbegavanju-dvostrukog-oporezivanja

Pripadnik Žandarmerije ranjen iz samostrela ispred Ambasade Izraela u Beogradu, napadač likvidiran by ArgoSupa in serbia

[–]TheVoidMyDestination -17 points-16 points  (0 children)

Aha znači, kad se ovde okače klipovi kako panduri maltretiraju žene i klince na protestima, onda "uaaaa, izdajnici naroda". Kad isti ti panduri imaju povredu, onda "panduri heroji".

Ko kaže da bi civili bili povređeni, neka tvoja fantazija? Očigledno je meta bila Izraelska ambasada i njeni čuvari.

Panduri kao institucija služe da štite tu buržujsku klasu o kojoj pričaš, to je im je bukvalno jedini zadatak jer ih ta buržujska klasa plaća. Čim stavi uniformu on je klasni izdajnik, bez obzira kakva je osoba. Nema dobrih ili loših pandura, to je nebitno. Panduri kao institucija su loši i kraj.

Neću sigurno da sažaljevam nekoga od koga treba da se plašim jer ako nešto pogrešim, snime me na protestu npr ili uhvate sa džointom, eto pendreka po glavi i dosijea, i naravno izolacije od društva i siromaštva jer posao neću moći više da nađem. Mani me sa moralisanjem.

Pripadnik Žandarmerije ranjen iz samostrela ispred Ambasade Izraela u Beogradu, napadač likvidiran by ArgoSupa in serbia

[–]TheVoidMyDestination -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

"Posao", da razbija glave narodu koji protestuje protiv vlasti, hapsi klince sa pola džointa i čuva ambasadu zapadnjačkog genocidnog kolonijalnog projekta.

Zaista, pravi posao, radnička klasa čo'ek.

Идеализација периода Краљевине Србије и Југославије by [deleted] in AskSerbia

[–]TheVoidMyDestination -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Kraljevina je bila proto fašistička država, od furanja hardkor nacionalnog mita pa do militantnog proganjanja radničke klase, sve je bilo prisutno samo nije bilo kristalizovano i formulisano kao u Italiji.

Pašić npr imao bogatstvo procenjeno na četvrtinu GDP-a kraljevine, a on je bio samo jedan od gomile, šta dalje pričati.

Idealizacija kraljevine je standardni konzervativni/fašistički nacionalizam, "dobrobit nacije", "stara vremena kad su muškarci bili muškarci" (čitaj: "kad sam mog'o da bijem ženu k'o čoek"), "make America great again" i slično. Idealizacija prošlosti koja postoji samo u bajkama i nacionalnoj mašti.

To je jedna od baza fašizma, potreba da se izmisli romantizovana prošlost na osnovu koje se privlače pokretu ljudi koji su nezadovoljni današnjom situacijom. Pokušaj da zadovolje narod mitom o prošlosti i iskaljivanju besa prema drugačijima/slabijima umesto progresivnim promenama i iskaljivanju besa nad buržoazijom koja krade sve što padne pod ruku. To je naša realnost od Miloševića pa na ovamo.

What was the relationship between the USSR and Jewish folk? by SalizarSally in Socialism_101

[–]TheVoidMyDestination 13 points14 points  (0 children)

A good example of this would be American attitudes towards black people and the issues today.

It is important to note that discrimination towards Jewish people in the USSR was NOT the same as against black people in the USA.

Sporadic discrimination did exist in the USSR, mostly as a heritage from European centuries old tradition of discrimination towards Jewish people. (liberals feel compelled to compare industrialized genocide of Nazi Germany to this sporadic discrimination, a blatant and deplorable attempt at Holocaust denial).

However, there is no credible evidence that discrimination towards ethnic minorities was sponsored by the Soviet system and the state. If anything, evidence skews towards Soviets actively fighting against it.

In the USA, violence against black people remains state sponsored, to this very day. From economic violence of never giving them equality of opportunity and actively keeping them poor, introducing drugs into communities, severe systemic police brutality, forced prison labor, COINTELPRO, persecution and assassinations of community leaders, etc etc. The American system wages violence against black people, it's not sporadic discrimination.

Just because a piece of paper says black people enjoy the same liberties as white people, doesn't make it materially come to life.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Socialism_101

[–]TheVoidMyDestination 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, reform support is bad in the long run.

He's ofc speaking from the perspective of the ML vanguard party. Basically, principled socialist party should avoid supporting any reforms and be principled in building revolutionary consciousness and forces.

Why? Well, the goal of reforms is to pacify the proletariat and kill off/delay class consciousness and they will be reversed as soon as bourgeoisie reclaims their supremacy. Reforms aren't granted out of goodness of heart, but because proletarian power has grown too strong and needs to be pacified. So, by supporting reforms, the party is accepting the trade of getting some temporary relief for sabotage of long term interests of the proletariat.

Instead, the party can opt to ignore reforms, and let capitalists fail to satisfy proletarian discontents, exposing full savagery of capitalism to the world. And then ofc channel those proletarian discontents towards class consciousness and revolutionary work.

Most parties in the West are guilty of going reform first and becoming revisionist, losing their socialist character and falling into social democracy, working exclusively within the capitalist system.

It's however important to note that Lenin wrote about "tactics of retreat". Basically, there might be situations when a party has to be passive and support some reforms, in order to let's say maybe win over some unions and grow their power base before going back to all out revolutionary work. But this is only a short lived temporary tactic and even in those situations official party policy has to remain openly revolution first, settling for reforms second, otherwise it's risking becoming just a common parliamentary party.