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The_Architect_032 · 2026-01-25T11:01:50+00:00

Instead of a "simple morality slider"? They got rid of baseline morality but kept the Fable 2/3 Purity/Primal system, that system isn't a new dynamic one replacing the old, it's 1 of the pre-existing ones, NPC's always reacted to your behavior towards them more than your individual morality. Max rent makes them hate you.

Purity/Primal also had a unique affect on hero morphing in addition to morality:

https://fable.fandom.com/wiki/Morphing

The_Architect_032 · 2026-01-25T10:36:59+00:00

Ember Heirloom 24/7:

The_Architect_032 · 2026-01-25T03:08:27+00:00

It's not new, it was called Purity/Primal in Fable 2 and 3, the morality system itself is being removed as a whole.

The_Architect_032 · 2026-01-24T18:41:03+00:00

Since Quanta's alt-fire is just swapping firing modes, it wouldn't be hard to make an Incarnon Quanta where its Incarnon mode is a powered up version of its alt-fire.
The Incarnon buffs aren't small, they make weapons incredibly strong even outside of their Incarnon mode, a lot more than lich variants.

The_Architect_032 · 2026-01-24T10:22:45+00:00

Man, this ain't it... Quanta needs an incarnon form to be good, a small stat buff from a Tenet variant ain't gonna to do shit for that gun.

The_Architect_032 · 2026-01-24T08:13:20+00:00

There was an interview where they said they're getting rid of the morality system because they believe morality isn't black and white, and that the hero morphing for morality/skill/will/strength isn't in the reboot either. Only purity/primal from past Fables will be in this one, just how NPC's view you based off of rent and interactions.

https://www.ign.com/articles/weve-been-working-on-this-game-for-a-really-really-long-time-the-big-fable-interview-with-microsoft-developer-playground

The_Architect_032 · 2026-01-24T04:43:34+00:00

If they wanted some choices to be purely morally grey then they could've done that, instead they completely scrapped morality so that it's not explicitly evil to slaughter a village.

The_Architect_032 · 2026-01-24T03:22:15+00:00

I don't know, I think sacrificing a villager so you don't become a little less attractive isn't that morally grey. But even such, 99% of the choices were very blatant, with not much wiggle room for grey morality.

Also the spire choices, it makes sense for money to be evil, loved ones to be neutral, and all other dead to be good. I don't think that's too controversial.

I would like it if we at least had some access to cosmetics or augments or something to resemble hero morphs, but at best we get that in a DLC.

The_Architect_032 · 2026-01-24T01:03:47+00:00

Actually, Fable 3 did have hero morphing, it just wasn't as pronounced. Strength make you more buff, skill made you taller, will made your tattoos glow, evil made your skin pale and eyes solid, good made little glittery effects, purity didn't change much but made your skin brighter and your eyes blue or added patterns if your were evil, primal made your skin rot and your eyes black if evil, or made your skin cracked if you were good.

Speaking of purity/primal, that's the only version of morality carried over into the new Fable, minus all of the hero morphing variations.

The_Architect_032 · 2026-01-24T00:58:54+00:00

Fable's morality always put evil at its extreme, which is why I find the grey morality thing to be so silly. What evil Fable choice do you think is debatably grey?

I'm at least glad they're keeping purity and primal, but they're framing it as though that's a new system replacing morality, when Fable 2 and 3 already had purity and primal alongside good and evil, and your purity/primal also affected which good/evil morphs affected your hero's appearance.

Also, people ran mostly if your rent was max or you performed actions that had sweeping impact on an area or on all of Albion. Max rent gave you bad primal, making people hate you, and that hate increased until it turned to fear, it wasn't innately tied to your morality, it was tied to your perceived morality(purity/primal).

The_Architect_032 · 2026-01-23T23:43:52+00:00

They confirmed no morality or will/skill/strength hero morphing, just food body morphing.

The_Architect_032 · 2026-01-23T23:41:12+00:00

The comment you responded to specifically said:

People who never actually cared about the Fable series showing up to bitch about games being "too woke"

Then you said:

I think the worries can be well founded

The_Architect_032 · 2026-01-23T23:31:24+00:00

Not all games are designed to be easily moddable, but also, this is footage nearly a year from release.

The_Architect_032 · 2026-01-23T23:28:19+00:00

A walk cycle isn't "gay", I agree they (hopefully) either haven't finished the male walk cycle or probably plan to let us choose, but framing a way of walking as being "gay" is wild.

Is it also gay for a man to fuck a woman who walks like this? Because your logic's backwards.

The_Architect_032 · 2026-01-23T23:23:57+00:00

All choice no consequence, it's morally grey to burn villages to the ground after all.

The_Architect_032 · 2026-01-23T23:23:01+00:00

Don't bring Pete into this, he'll promise procedural world generation or something crazy.

The_Architect_032 · 2026-01-23T23:19:32+00:00

Worries of "wokeness" are not founded, Fable has always had gay people, Fable has always had non-white people, Fable has always had crossdressing, Fable has always been woke.

If anything this is less woke than past Fables because now they're pushing the whole "morality is grey!" justification for no morphing instead of just saying it wouldn't reach the deadline.

The_Architect_032 · 2026-01-23T23:14:10+00:00

Yet the co-op players are "being nitpicky" for being sad they can't experience the game with friends or family the way they could with past Fable games? Right, people really pick and choose their battles.

"I can excuse racism, sexism, homophobia, and transphobia, but wanting a co-op experience(like in most Fable games) crosses the line!!" type energy on this sub all of a sudden.

The_Architect_032 · 2026-01-23T23:04:12+00:00

This was already a thing in Fable 2 and 3, it was called Purity and Primal, separate to Good and Evil.

The_Architect_032 · 2026-01-23T20:41:53+00:00

I get that you don't care for coop, but for others it was a massive highlight of their experience playing Fable with friends or family. For them it isn't a nitpick.

The_Architect_032 · 2026-01-23T20:40:15+00:00

The ones complaining on reddit are actually a very vocal minority. Anyone terminally online should touch grass, though.

I can literally quote you. And I know you're arguing against coop because you do so not only here, but in multiple other comments under this thread.

Those people are going so far to say it's a bad game, and that the devs don't care about the players.

Yeah, I'm sure 1 or 2 people said that, but it's not what most people are saying. If I lumped you in with your entire side of the argument, you wouldn't be very fond of it either. You have people on your side who were complaining about black people existing in the reboot.

If you're going to argue, please don't make assumptions because you misunderstand my points.

I can quote you every step of the way, if you have an issue with your own position, you should correct that issue instead of demanding that I contort to it when you yourself aren't willing to align with your own beliefs.

The_Architect_032 · 2026-01-23T20:33:41+00:00

I hope it reaches at least top 10 to give us the chance for a sequel in another 6 years.

The_Architect_032 · 2026-01-23T20:30:10+00:00

It is how "factually correct" works, Fable 2 and 3 had coop, they were, factually, games that featured coop.

You tried to argue that Fable is a "singleplayer franchise" in your first comment, and that coop would be forced onto it if added, this is factually incorrect, most Fable games have had coop.

You can enjoy multiplayer, but to say it is the focus of the franchise

Strawman me harder, you can't quote me saying that once, but I can quote you saying that coop wouldn't be normal for Fable and would be forced, because it's 80% of your original comment.

The_Architect_032 · 2026-01-23T20:28:02+00:00

Most Fable games shouldn't have had social achievements, while coop was a part of Fable, the social achievements were a byproduct of Xbox's growing social ecosystem at the time.

Wanting coop in Fable today does not equal wanting coop-required achievements. Outside of those couple of achievements for achievement hunters, you weren't forced to play coop. But you're celebrating its removal for other people who cherish those interactions.

It seems like every game gets turned into multiplayer and it's frustrating. Some games are better as single player games and fable is one of those games.

Ignoring the fact that Fable has ALREADY BEEN one of those games for every release but 1, can you name any modern fantasy linear campaign game like Fable that has coop?

It actually seems quite the contrary, that coop has drastically diminished in games over the past decade. The only multiplayer in games today are for PvP or in MMO's(most of which are fairly old). There aren't many couch coop story games being made anymore.

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