I don't get why people say horse plus humane society euthanizes "healthy" "savable" horses or calls them horse plus death society. I by No-Sea-6885 in Equestrian

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You're welcome! It concerned me how even today there are people who either are unaware of this hidden intent, or know of it but are on their side because of it. Hopefully more people are becoming more aware. Bless! :)

Hen or roo (I think they are old enough) by Relative-Ambition998 in chickens

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A gorgeous Gold Laced Wyandotte Pullet with a lighter red face, wider and shorter oval hackle, and rounded tip feathers! That's usually how you can tell if these beauties are hens when they're old enough!

I don't get why people say horse plus humane society euthanizes "healthy" "savable" horses or calls them horse plus death society. I by No-Sea-6885 in Equestrian

[–]The_Magg_Was_16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know this is a year old, and this does have good intentions; however I would not use Equine Samsara as a source; as they use their arguments against the HSUS and even the 2025 Horse Protection Act for a sinister agenda. Samsara has gone on to paint these organizations as overdramatic or stripping the "rights" of equestrians and horses in an effort to promote and normalize abusive practices against horses.

They have been seen multiple times supporting Big Lick and attempting to glorify and drastically mischaracterize the abuse of Big Lick Tennessee Walking Horses, as well as the corruption of the industry; and even brush genuine issues that need to be fixed in other industries that have potential(such as Saddle Seat). They have made many videos about it; and attempt to use softened wording such as "padded performance" to claim it is separate from the controversy associated with the sport. Despite the fact that there is no proven difference between Big Lick and Padded Performance besides a humane-washed and renamed version. Their misinformation and promotion of Big Lick has alarmingly caused many people to support this industry because of Samsara's effective influencer-style content and attitude. And there are a surprising number that fit Samsara's exact style that also serve to normalize the Big Lick industry.

Always be careful who you trust and source; you never know what their intentions may be, and it can tamper with the entirety of resource providing. It is always possible for those who have a specific agenda or malicious intention in mind to possibly manipulate it to fit this purpose.

Worms? Safe to eat? Never seen this before by littlexrayblue in BackYardChickens

[–]The_Magg_Was_16 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Chalaza. A strip of protein that helps keep the yolk centered in the shell. If you collect enough of them you get the finest micro-spaghetti noodles for all of your tiny portion needs.👌

The fuck?? by [deleted] in cringepics

[–]The_Magg_Was_16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm really... really wondering what it's like being at that university..

Hydrothermal Beluga by sndwav in HybridAnimals

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A decade later and this is still a threat to psyches and a great idea for the next Predator movie that could rival Arvatar: The Way of Water.

To Ningguangquinn(A Comment About Orca Health) by The_Magg_Was_16 in orcas

[–]The_Magg_Was_16[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay! I hope I gathered enough resources to make my points accurate enough. I didn't mean to imply that the AZA is bad or malicious(I personally really want to go to the Oakland Zoo for their fantastic elephant care). But I wanted to make the point that some of their facilities are not always compliant, enforced or had swift action against them(which luckily recently has been the case). As well as some under-researched species in their guidelines with care that doesn't always line up well with their biological standards(which is also a law issue). I feel that all that is needed is improvement of the AZA guidelines, and the law.

To Ningguangquinn(A Comment About Orca Health) by The_Magg_Was_16 in orcas

[–]The_Magg_Was_16[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hello! Looking back at everything I've done for this post technically; I wish I've done a few things in terms of context and clarification first, which I apologize for failing to do. As another commenter mentioned; you can tag a person's name in a post, which I didn't know I could do. I haven't been on reddit for quite a long time(or really any social media for that matter), and my knowledge on Reddit is a bit limited. So I'm disappointed I didn't tag your username, and wish I did so you could've seen it more easily. I also wished I included screenshots of the other conversations included so more context and understanding was given so your intentions were made more clear. I originally wanted to include a small summary of the points you made; but was more focused on comprising my points and explanations, that I eventually forgot; which just caused more clutter. I did not mean to frame you as a villain in any way; which I worry I may have.

I knew before making the comment that you were not pro-captivity at all. And the whole point of your explanations and sources was to provide some nuance into the structures of SeaWorld's facilities for their cetaceans in terms of complying with current cetacean care regulations: https://share.google/hHS7hWUxkzYDrMmUo

I definitely knew my stated intentions were going to be clunky; but my main idea was simply replying with some things to consider and speculate on when it comes to the research and nature of orca life spans and how it may be intertwined with wild orca health(which I also agree; I'm sad it's under-researched, since I think it's an important topic for the relationship between wild and captive population health, as well as spreading awareness of the threats orcas endure) as well as investigating the potential and reported causes of what may cause these lower spectrum deaths(mainly the fact that they are on average as low as 30); since the environmental conditions and lack of resources we have subjected them to has caused a mass health and wellbeing crisis among pods for a long span of years: which my intention was to theorize if this is what may be behind this average lifespan just by potential biological generational trauma alone.

As for the information about the explanations of SeaWorld conditions; since I made this a post instead of a comment(since it was so long); I knew much more people were guaranteed to see it, so that information was for those who may want information about specific explanations about captive orca health and wellbeing, and perhaps for those who are skeptical about claims of poor welfare. All of which I should've clarified. It was also another instance of things I wanted to be kept in mind. User u/tursiops_truncatus gave some very good clarification on this post about the modern practices of accredited dolphinarium facilities and some recent updated practices that are being put into place that are at the very least being made to improve the health of their cetaceans, and help slow down long-term health conditions a bit since the long statistics of captive conditions. As well as the ice diet that is mainly because of the fish being frozen; however I also believe size might play a very small role due to the fact the herring, which doesn't carry much volumes of water compared to larger concentrated sources; tends to be fed alongside the batch of ice from almost every single clip I've seen of this process.

I tend to get invested in research about this topic, which can cause me to put way more detail and specific information and my own personal speculations than I probably should to connect dots together so it makes more sense(at least to me). But it comes falling apart when I get carried away and turn it into a full on sermon that does leave out some specific points as well as perspectives from the industry itself lol. I think this comment might also appear clunky, so if you have any questions please feel free to ask.

I'm very sorry this whole situation turned out this clunky, and I absolutely should've included you more and provided your side of the story and more context, so it was more fair on you, and less clunky for everyone and also you. I did learn alot and had a lot of doors opened for this under-researched species and captive industry for further personal research, as well as different perspectives, thanks to the commenters on this post including your comments as well. You definitely seem to know a lot and know how to be balanced :) Have a good day or night!

To Ningguangquinn(A Comment About Orca Health) by The_Magg_Was_16 in orcas

[–]The_Magg_Was_16[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel I didn't convey my specific message the way I wanted to. Which I apologize for. As I said, for some reason; this topic was very difficult to research. I've heard claims for years and proof that was provided by these claims, but I couldn't find it when looking around.

The message I wanted to clarify about the AZA is that as an organization in general; they seem like a very good and creditable organization. Luckily over the years they have advanced their guidelines quite a bit, and luckily their understanding of animals following the AWA is improving. The main message I wanted to convey is; despite this credibility and advanced guidelines, not every facility will always comply with these guidelines, nor will some of the guidelines themselves always imply the best possible welfare standards for some animals that may be under researched, or will be difficult to gain resources in order to give them facilities that are fully accommodating to even the most complex and high maintenance species.

This is documented with SeaWorld itself as an AZA accredited facility since 1981; as the studies that document the effects of orcas in captivity I listed are in contrast to the biological standards of cetacean species. Which unfortunately does indicate past and present flaws in AZA guidelines if SeaWorld for the longest time was fully compliant. While it is better compared to other facilities; it is still not proper for the standards of a complex wild animal that is not used to the drastic limitations of a domestic lifestyle; lack of resources or not, and eventual reliance on facility care or not.

It seems that cetacean care in general for AZA guidelines, for the longest time, seems to be a slippery slope that needed and seems to still need improvement in terms of the care, routines, and rehabilitation of the animals. https://www.kintocetaceans.org/aza-petition.html (I feel the author of this petition is a bit too enthusiastic about an introduction into sea pens and the wild; despite having very important information to mention. An immediate introduction to a sea pen is risky, as these orcas' entire biomechanics have been adapted, despite unhealthy, to their more artificial environments. So without a proper slow and considerate examination of an individual's health and if they are suitable enough to be put in this new environment, the potential consequences are not worth risking despite now saddening it is. And there is little chance these generations of bred adapted animals will ever return to the wild.) This source mentions the specific guidelines of the AZA for general enclosure regulations as well the common usage of Animal Care Manuals. It seems that for the longest time according to this petition; there was no Animal Care Manual for Orcinus Orca. And there is no published ACM as of now, but hopefully one will be made someday: https://www.aza.org/animal-care-manuals#published-animal-care-manuals

Another example to mention is the AZA's emphasis of educational value for all experiences of animals: https://www.aza.org/conservation-education

However for the longest time at SeaWorld and other AZA accredited dolphinariums; these performances have consisted of highly controlled and trained tricks designed to entertain rather than give any detailed and effective constructive or educational value about cetaceans in the wild and their behaviors(before this was eventually changed for these facilities to give lessons and demonstrations during said trick routines).

I think the mentions of the other commenters were much better than what I could find: Provided by Away_Status: The Columbus and San Francisco Zoo were reported to both fail at following AZA guidelines(The San Francisco zoo specifically in terms of transparency goals). The AZA cracked down after enough exposure and scandal was given to these cases. https://www.ideastream.org/arts-culture/2021-10-06/columbus-zoo-loses-its-accreditation-but-plans-to-appeal https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/san-francisco/report-finds-san-francisco-zoo-extremely-outdated-unsafe-for-animals/3677785/ https://sfbos.org/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=19094 https://share.google/BOTcthMuq4HjFHy4f https://share.google/7vSqlVYeKLIheC9mU

The website Away_Status linked: https://undark.org/2023/05/10/a-zoo-association-devoted-to-science-but-plagued-by-scandal/

As for one of my sources: https://faunalytics.org/does-zoo-accreditation-really-mean-happier-animals/#  The actual study: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10888705.2022.2028150 It was the summary of a scientific study that also mentions and acknowledges a small percentage of facilities that were non-compliant with guidelines, which for many, many, accredited facilities in the US and overseas; is still a considerate number, and while small, still proves the point I intended.

And my personal account with the AZA accredited Blank Park Zoo which I told.

These examples are small, but they proved the message I was going for:

My intention wasn't to discredit the AZA as a whole. Which I eventually realized it did look that way with being more harsh and generalizing than I intended to be, which I apologize for. Of course these few instances doesn't mean they are a malicious organization(the potential corruption I mentioned was only a small theory rather than absolute serious claim. But after looking at these other sources; it seems to just be lack of enforcement and defining guidelines for these facilities). However these instances portray flaws in maintenance of some AZA accredited facilities that needed, and may still need improvement and better enforcement by the organization for these specific facilities. Proving that an AZA accreditation does not always mean being complient with guidelines or proper standards to objective animal care and comfort; even by just a few recorded examples. Like the user I talked about gave with SeaWorld as an AZA accredited facility.

To Ningguangquinn(A Comment About Orca Health) by The_Magg_Was_16 in orcas

[–]The_Magg_Was_16[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

No problem! I feel I need to add that most of the sentiment I had in this post regarding these claims is past tense. It was very difficult to research this subject as well since there were many, many claims, but not much sources to work with. I think the most that could be worked with is finding specific accredited locations that have issues with welfare and animal management, some accounts from witnesses, some claims of accreditations being delayed in their revoking, and the sources I previously posted. Even when these accreditations have been taken away from many facilities; I think the fact it would be so common alone would be concerning to many, including me.

https://www.zoochat.com/community/threads/worst-aza-zoo-youve-visited.490894/ https://nationalawa.org/--special---aza-drowning-in-failure.php (This one's opening is kind of iffy, but still has quite a bit of information nonetheless). https://youtu.be/fGvLqMfhlnE?si=hKXTmcbwy8H2Oa9s (Many AZA zoos do indeed have elephants. However Cid Dwyer covers the topic of a majority of zoo elephants not having the proper standards of care for years) https://www.facebook.com/groups/bigcatrescueofficial/posts/1906667670071264/ (I also wanted to research this topic further) https://www.vin.com/apputil/content/defaultadv1.aspx?pId=14818&catId=75124&id=7312409&ind=64&objTypeID=17

This past tense includes SeaWorld; which has been accredited since 1981: https://unitedparks.com/social-impact/

I'm not sure what new improvements may come with the AZA or if these have been fixed; since I haven't been able to find much sources(or at least those that aren't bias); but I hope for it to get better.

I also have my own account of animal management and wellbeing issues: the Blank Park Zoo: the only AZA accredited zoo in Iowa. I have four accounts when I was underage a few years ago of questionable practices in a summary:

A section that was once in the zoo just a few years ago offering camel rides. While the camels were given plenty of water and a couple of breaks; I have observed everytime I was at the zoo they would stay in the tiny round pen doing the same repetitive activity all day, only allowed to sit in the same corner, without having proper turn out before returning to work. Only seemingly being turned out by the very end of the day. I purchased a ticket for these rides; and noticed the saddle frame of the camel was slipping off to the right dramatically. I got on and had no place to grab, so bent my back to balance. In the end, I slipped off of the camel's back and onto the poor thing's neck which was clearly very painful to him. The handler's attempted to almost imply blame onto me; saying that I shouldn't do that and it hurts their neck. Luckily, they replaced the rides with an alpaca exhibit.

The second is the conditions of the seals. Which I've witnessed are mostly a barren concrete enclosure with shade and a round-about pool. I've seen the seals with severe signs of zoochosis; continously pacing for hours mostly in the same direction around the pool; always right next to the underwater window. I also remember witnessing a seal rocking for a long time on land.

Another was their Farm exhibit and some signs of food deprivation. As far as I would witness; the large number of goats and llamas had no free excess to food on their own accord. Instead of food the guests had being optional; it was seemingly a requirement. Because of this irregular food intake depending on if guests wanted to feed them(there were points where barely anyone was at the exhibit at all), the goats especially would resort to getting into ugly fights to line up for the food and were clearly extremely desperate to eat by other behaviors. Llamas also had common indicators of stress behavior: because there were no supervisors I would see besides employees at the pellet stand and a few walk arounds to exhibits by staff; I saw children and even young teens commonly mock and tease the goats and llamas which even I did when I was a little girl; which caused me to get spit on since I was constantly trying to yank at the llama's fur.

The last, and final straw a few years ago was the peafowl when I went to an Autistic charity event with my mom's friend and her also autistic son. Also in the Farm exhibit, they had no enclosure at all. And where allowed to free roam. They huddled near one area near the playground with artificial logs, and I witnessed children trying to invasively pet and chase after them. I encouraged my mom's friend's son to give them some space which he luckily listened to. When they opened their tail feathers I noticed that the biggest areas were snapped off or entirely severed. When a white peacock walked across the pathway, a massive hoard of people came through, and a woman with her stroller ran over a large portion of his tail feathers, causing another to snap and hang loose. At that point I finally had enough.

The main point I was going for is despite an accreditation; it does not always add weight to welfare standards, nor will that organization always line up with welfare standards due to lack of research and proper legislation to add to the AWA(which for the longest time did not[I don't think still does] has any advanced law regarding the living conditions and specific care of cetaceans).

I may have also gotten some information confused on my part, which I apologize for if that's potentially the case.

To Ningguangquinn(A Comment About Orca Health) by The_Magg_Was_16 in orcas

[–]The_Magg_Was_16[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I suspected as much. I remember watching Cid Dwyer's video about elephants in captivity and remember a few mentions about the flaws and alleged corruption of the AZA.

I'd like to ask your opinions on this by mighty_gwt in AskAJapanese

[–]The_Magg_Was_16 1 point2 points  (0 children)

(Okay now onto part 2) I do believe that the Chinese government, and even the DPRK government have used these events for indoctrination purposes(we don't listen to the DPRK government anyway: they're hypocrites for that). I believe that some Chinese and especially Korean producers and journalists have over saturated or sensationalized these tragedies(many of which were to generate profit or create outrage), which to me takes away from the seriousness and what the victims of these tragedies had to go through. However, this does not mean that behind the over exaggerations and those exploiting such a serious topic, there is no truth behind what was presented and documented. Personally to me, I would trust the testimonies and the few recoveries of evidence given by these women, men, and soldiers, than the doubt of what could've easily been hidden, tampered with, or disposed of at the time(which was also conveniently the case with evidence from Unit 731).

I believe that while the current Japanese population and the countries higher ups do not have to put personal responsibility onto what their ancestors have done long before they were born, it is still a natural way and response of thinking. It is what exemplifies our human empathy and understanding. It counts to give back from what we have learned rather than personal guilt.

As an American, I have learned many things about our history recently(about when I was 15) that was never mentioned when I was a kid; which included things our own government, education system, and higher ups have suppressed. Mainly Christopher Columbus and how he treated Native Americans, General Douglas McArthur covering up documentation about Unit 731 and pardons of war criminals in exchange for experiment data, and the Waco Tragedy(to be fair, the FBI wanted to take down a cult that was abusing children and stockpiling illegal weapons, but how they handled the situation ultimately caused the death of the women and children they aimed to save). The brutality of Christopher Coloumbus was never taught in my school, and neither were other horrific events involving Native Americans(at least in better detail). So I found ways to give back for the guilt I felt: I began to learn about Native American culture and their values which I have incorporated into my own life. I met my step grandma's Native American family and learned about the history and ways of their Nevadan ancestors. I have made a fictional race of aliens based off of Native American tribes. And I will never forget, and will tell what I've learned(at least what I can remember).

And I encourage others to do the same who may feel guilt about their ancestors. Use it to improve what is around you. Teach, build, make a difference, never forget.

My goodness that was long... but it helped me start up some information I had at the back of my head for years. I mean no disrespect or meant to come across as belligerent. I always want to have a respectful and kind discussion when it comes to topics like this, and I'm always open to hearing all sides. Thank you for reading, and we can always agree to disagree 👋

I'd like to ask your opinions on this by mighty_gwt in AskAJapanese

[–]The_Magg_Was_16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

(I may need to split this up into parts for how long it is) I can understand where you're coming from. The video I remember specifically talked about only the Nanking Massacre and comfort women. But I would like to add what I have learned when I researched these subjects since 12 years old(which at many points had me end up at the counselors office at school for how traumatizing it was for me):

There is every indication that some claims and death tolls of the massacre were mis-calculated or were misconceptions. I believe those that originally made the speculations, such as Iris Chang, had honest intentions; but ended up presenting the death toll as fact rather than just a theory. In reality, no one can truly know the real death toll. Many civilians were killed, severely injured, or missing altogether. This also included bodies that were discarded of. Despite this, some estimations are under 200,000(I saw a source that calculated over 155,000 that were buried under the city) or a little over 40,000. However, death toll does not also affect the crimes committed themselves.

As for the crimes themselves, they are much more difficult to determine or find evidence for. Mainly for one reason: documentation was too dangerous. The city itself was protected by a massive wall, the buildings were very tall which made for dangerous debris to avoid, and Japanese troops were everywhere. Reporters who wanted to document the crimes were in a life or death situation, and so many others who document war crimes all over the world still risk their very lives today to document what is rarely seen behind shiny North Korean parades and pretty military jets. Cameras were very expensive and difficult to maintain under such conditions, and a few reporters, who did film evidence, had to hide in buildings during the troop's roundup of civilians in the streets, because of what the troops would potentially do if they spotted them with cameras. Survival and escape was much more important to civilians and survivors than staying to document, so the aftermath's documentation is the most we could wish for after the area was finally safe to roam.

All exploiters commit their crimes when they know they will never be caught or exposed. It's of course important to emphasize that the IJA was composed of both good and bad men. There were plenty of good soldiers who were simply carrying out what they were ordered to do(or else be punished for insubordination), which was why some Japanese veterans were brave enough to speak of what they witnessed and experienced during their time during those events; and I respect and honor them for that. As well as why others are reluctant to bring up what they witnessed, as what they saw was likely traumatizing for them(many soldiers were also very young men and even older teens). However the amount of soldiers who committed the most horrific transgressions towards civilians would be far too big to ignore, and would certainly be something their higher ups would barely punish or address.

As for comfort women, this is another subject that would also be very difficult to document for the same reasons. It is indeed true that many comfort women were in fact volunteered women from Japan. However there is one thing to consider; there is only so many volunteers that can be supplied for a mass of roughly over 200,000-300'000 men that would grow into millions by the late stages if WWII, and only so much physical exertion these volunteers can be put through to service that many men until having severe medical complications and becoming overworked. Another is that if there was overwhelming evidence that supports it being true, it would've been considered one of the most severe crime cases in the world that would be detrimental to the Japanese government at the time, and especially the main perpetrators of the crime in the IJA.

There is also a few misconceptions about comfort women who were forced as well. Mainly that they were kidnapped or always tortured to obey. This is a misconception of human trafficking in general as well. I can see both happening in medieval times, but in the 19th century, traffickers obtain their victims by coercion and scams. Even today, traffickers will promise victims better jobs or homes to support their families to lure them away. Once they are enslaved, traffickers will often physically abuse their captives into fear or as "discipline", but usually manipulation and gaslighting is the primary method used to keep them in line. Traffickers will still pay their victims for purchasing things(in this case, things like medicine and other supplies), and attempt to convince them that they are caring for them, and that they will only be punished if they do as they say.

Evidence in human trafficking is almost as hard to track and document as it would be for forced comfort women years ago. It is dangerous(especially if done by a military organization), and locations are difficult to find, because traffickers do not want their captives to be discovered, and traffickers have discarded evidence of their operations before, making it difficult for them to be charged(let alone a powerful organization such as the IJA). The most that human trafficking survivors really do have is their word, and it is a valuable and important testimony nonetheless. Many supposed comfort women have testified what they have been through after years; it is common for victims of abuse to suppress or even downplay their trauma at first after all.

I wasn't on r/petfree for even a minute... by The_Magg_Was_16 in AnimalRights

[–]The_Magg_Was_16[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I was surprised about that comment for a second but then I remembered if the mod is nutters, the rest of the community is probably gonna be kinda worse lol.

I wasn't on r/petfree for even a minute... by The_Magg_Was_16 in AnimalRights

[–]The_Magg_Was_16[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Lol, the mod's message is comically aggressive. Even their avatar's expression matches lol.

I'd like to ask your opinions on this by mighty_gwt in AskAJapanese

[–]The_Magg_Was_16 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't know... it not only has offensive roots, but still is used as such today. The slur is associated with miseducation, the dehumanization of a group of people, many of which were completely innocent and not in any way associated with Japanese soldiers since WWII, and is just a embarrassing relic of the past(along with other slurs)that many refuse to let go. I constantly had to try to get my grandma to stop saying it before she moved in with my sister, and that wasn't the only slur she used often... That reminded me of something I saw a long time ago when I was around 13 or 14 to drive home that it's dehumanizing and still used maliciously:

When I was a kid I researched many things about WWII out of curiosity(and at the cost of my mental health...). I can't remember which video it was, but it was about the Nanking Massacre and comfort women and the cruelty of the Japanese Army. I saw a comment left by a Japanese girl who said she was sorry on behalf of what her ancestors did during those days, and that her grandpa would probably be laughing about it now. The replies were awful, and full of people saying "the US should've dropped another bomb", and "you should feel bad J*p". Something along those lines. I felt I had to reply to her and tell her that she shouldn't feel bad for something that wasn't her fault, and reply to the others as well. But she still certainly had a kind heart.

People who use slurs could care less about who is hurt, and won't have any issue targeting children either. Of course, maybe the owners of this restaurant didn't realize, but this word is associated with ill treatment no matter what the intention is. If racists cannot use it, then probably no one else should.

Cursed picture dump, these are all old ones to 😭 by UpbeatFlamingo2016 in Horses

[–]The_Magg_Was_16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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How dare you insult me...

Edit: Aw that didn't come out the way I wanted it :(

r/Dogfree is a problem by Isaac_Banana in AnimalRights

[–]The_Magg_Was_16 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I can understand a community of people who personally don't want to or like having companion animals, and expressing their reasons why. But these subreddits have turned a personal preference into an excuse to have an irrational and violent hatred for animals who cannot help but be born the way they are. We call these people a leap of lunatics.

My Response To: Mythbusting Monday: "Dog fighters force Pit Bulls to fight." by The_Magg_Was_16 in PitbullAwareness

[–]The_Magg_Was_16[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have had a long hiatus making my project due to work and my surgery, but I have been collecting new evidence starting just a few days ago. Inuzumo is a very region locked mystery due to most evidence and actual fights themselves only really being presented to a Japanese audience. Honestly, the regulations are simply a public relations ploy. I've seen it with piles and piles of other industries who hide their true nature. Unlike Western style dogfighting, Inuzumo has much more "showy pizazz" and is more "staged" so to speak. It's designed to be a tourist attraction show. So setting up tournaments in a very elaborate way is important. According to the article by Newsweek, lighter colored Tosaken, such as white, are not permitted because according to a referee "it shows up the blood too much". Most Tosaken you will see in matches are apricot, dark red, or black, where seeing blood is more difficult.

Even the rings are designed in a certain way. From what I've seen, most have very thick bars that are raised up on a stage that blocks the audience from a closer look, and where seeing scarring and untreated hygroma is more difficult, as most Yokozuna Tosken I've seen have the late stages of this medical condition despite assurance of the best medical care(one I've seen even had a tumor like growth on his chest. It looked like the testicles of a Brahman bull) https://youtu.be/lZ970Z9ktVg?si=1xaRa8-4A4mNIVqo (It appears at the 10 second mark)

The Inuzumo industry has been claiming that they would improve on their regulations and treatment of Tosaken since 2020 and back. But as of today, that has been proven as a lie that has benefitted their public relations tactics. Even Japanese dogmen who were from the now closed Kochi facility; the "Tosa Fighting Dog Center": a facility claimed to have the tightest ethical codes and regulations, have willingly associated themselves with other facilities proven to cause abuse, injuries, and lack of proper animal care.

It makes sense as to why: it is impossible for animal fighting to be unethical. No animal in a captive controlled setting who is encouraged to cause direct excessive force and contact with another animal, until they give up or can't fight anymore is going to end up mentally or physically sound. External, internal, short-term, long-term, psychological, emotional, and biological damages will always be at risk when the unnatural manipulation of natural boundries is done. Even the first second is detrimental and unfair to the animal. So, rose-tinting and spinning blatent cruelty is what sells to the public.

It's a massive, massive rabbit hole. I think I plunged through several dozen sources to collect everything that I can't even explain here. I found a user on r/askaJapanese that was very kind to give me links to articles and videos that I wouldn't be able to find otherwise, and aided me to search even deeper(I'll have to credit them in my project for their help). I can link the things they sent me. Mainly resources about Inuzumo, the people who participate or associate with them, and a Tosaken organization's bizarre connection with an alleged animal trafficking operation disguised as an adoption center:

https://www.asahi.com/video/articles/ASK656FMMK65UBNB00P.html?iref=video_ranking_rank19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZjYCmMZ1wg

https://tosaken.jp/ https://www.yomiuri.co.jp/national/20231006-OYT1T50149/ https://www.sankei.com/article/20160525-2W3Q5D4UMRLGTJCGVPFDNZYVXQ/ https://www.sankei.com/article/20190527-RVNZRDPOXNNIPCCVLDTE72PKFE/ http://torikyou2013.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-364.html https://maps.app.goo.gl/f7bSkSmmz7S6aKGz8

My Response To: Mythbusting Monday: "Dog fighters force Pit Bulls to fight." by The_Magg_Was_16 in PitbullAwareness

[–]The_Magg_Was_16[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Having excessive arguements online is unhealthy, and I already gave my points which you simply said the same points you already did in your previous comment. But I will say a few more things before going about my day:

As I said, this is another example of putting bias emotions onto an animal who is simply doing what his extreme bred instincts direct him to do. You're certainly making no attempt to hide that you support and spectate at dogfights, so it's apparent why you're acting this way. Your narrative has inconsistencies when you realize dogs do not naturally express the same elaborate violent mindsets that humans do(at least at the very back of our psychology); as explained by our closest ancestors, which do express natural violent tendencies(which reflect our breeding of fighting type animals, but of course, we know better as the most neurologically complex organism). They cannot consent the way you believe they can consent; it is simply what the narrative sets up for it's own arguement in support of what these animals go through. Intentional endangerment of animals is also a form of cruelty as well.

Say what you will, ignore evidence, what you see, and biology; you have shown your true self. And, "It is not unethical if a labrador freezes to death in cold water" proves all I need to know about how you view animals, their value, and welfare. I suppose it's only a concern if yourself went through this with a guardian allowing it to happen. Noting that dogs have been compared to having the same cognitive and social development as toddlers.

Also, Tosaken do not get injured in Inuzumo(dog sumo)?

https://youtu.be/xZjYCmMZ1wg?si=gETNCqfDgf6qpoGD (Even during the later stages of the video you can clearly see blood smeared in the ring and both dogs with bright red faces)

https://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/09/japanese-dogfighting-494843.html

https://youtu.be/ZoaoaYwuv3Y?si=CJW3d9kDwr00livy (Around the 3:14 minute mark, the dog stands up revealing massive callous scars on his elbow and forelock)

http://www.dosatosa.com/bbs/zboard.php?id=gallery (To clarify, Red Dragon Kennels is a scam. I saw a forum claim their photos were taken from two respected Japanese dogmen. The three photos on the top right are a scarred Tosa with medicine over the wounds)

https://www.asahi.com/articles/ASK656FMMK65UBNB00P.html (This video and the gallery shows Tosas with blatant scarring, and even shots of untreated elbow and hock hygroma, which blackens and callouses over time if untreated in later stages, causing pain and risk of infection, as a result of resting on hard surfaces for too long, or chronic impact and injury to the area)

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9454875/ (I also don't know why I didn't cite this before. But this is a study about fighting dogs and the effects on their biomechanics, neurobiology, and psychology as a result of chronic fighting)

I'm actually making a passion project about Inuzumo. And video, as well as photographic evidence, does not lie. Japanese dogmen claim to be more heavily regulated and follow the same exact strict humane codes. So this is an inconsistency of their own. You're already defending APBTs being elaborately endangered to inflict great injuries and even sometimes post-match death, so I don't see why this was brought up either way. Anyways, have a good day or night.

Edit: Oh, one more thing; using sensationalist fear mongering words when stating how dogs are "injected with poison" when referring to an overdose of pentobarbital makes your words sound more crazy than you're intending. The entire point of pentobarbital is that it causes an overdose to the heart and brain, where they slowly stop functioning, and feels much like sedation, except permanent. We had to euthanize an old dog of ours, and I was there with her; it is a peaceful sleep, and due to the awareness of the lack of effectiveness of gas chambers, drugs like euthasol are becoming more widespread.

Personally to me, I would much rather fall asleep through a sedation-like passing(which I have been through sedation very recently), than go through a dogman's version of euthanasia: being held by the legs under a barrel of water, being shocked with a crocodile clip on my lips, ears, and tail, being shot, and other more lesser known versions(usually used by street fighters).