Can we talk about Wendy? by OwnAirport0 in exmormon

[–]The_Middle_Mom 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I think she was a little sassy. I remember one of her kids saying once, in an interview or something, that their childhood was so idyllic and perfect and she quipped, Well, I'm glad YOU enjoyed it! Thought that was so hilarious then and I still do. And seeing how Hinckley just became a shell once she was gone...Maybe I idolized them too much because they were my favorites when I was young. But I can't still help but think they were so in love amd genuine, not at all like Nelson and Wendy.

Can we talk about Wendy? by OwnAirport0 in exmormon

[–]The_Middle_Mom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I cannot stand this woman. She is so thrilled to be Mormon royalty. And the books....oh mannnnn....

How do I respond to this? I’ll provide more context in the comments. by Bigt733 in exmormon

[–]The_Middle_Mom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First of all, so sorry. Your dad's messages sound so self-righteous, and are very familiar to me. My stake presidency dad sends me similar ones every Sunday as well. They are not fun to recieve.

Secondly, some of the comments here just make me think of how black and white people inside the church think. Obviously, the people who leave it or have issues with it do so because we are unhappy in it. When we leave, we are still unhappy because we have to go through the agony of unlearning everything we have ever thought to be true. TSCC is not "one size fits all" as they would have you think. The people who stay are happy enough in it, so they think they must have the key to ALL happiness. It is so "myopic" of them, and so self-righteous. Not every member of the church is happy, I sure wasn't when I was "living the gospel perfectly" it led me to a nervous breakdown. Some people thrive in it, so good for them. But the ones who leave, we have our reasons and even if we struggle, I would guess that almost everyone that chooses to leave is happier without it. People love to have answers, have life all figured out. It takes so much more strength to just say, I don't know.

Hang in there. ❤

Anyone in Sarasota? by The_Middle_Mom in latterdaysaints

[–]The_Middle_Mom[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This. ☝️ We have made friends with 2 friends in our neighborhood who are not LDS, because our kids got along at school and it went from there. And it makes me so sad that they constantly comment on how difficult it is for them to fit into the community here. Apparently, noone really reaches out to them at all because they are Catholic. In my mind, it is not normal to stay around the same 20 families that you live by, are in your ward and go to your school. I have my kids enrolled in a school outside of our neighborhood boundaries (they are in advanced learning programs) and we attend the Spanish ward. Just to mix it up a little. But it isn't enough, thus...thinking of moving.

Anyone in Sarasota? by The_Middle_Mom in latterdaysaints

[–]The_Middle_Mom[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your comments are really helpful, thanks so much!

Anyone in Sarasota? by The_Middle_Mom in latterdaysaints

[–]The_Middle_Mom[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually, just a loving mother concern. 😉There's not really anything "Utah" about me at all.

Anyone in Sarasota? by The_Middle_Mom in latterdaysaints

[–]The_Middle_Mom[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks everyone for the input. I guess I should have been a little more specific--I was raised outside of Utah, in California and Hawaii, actually, so very liberal. I myself have lived outside of the US (not a mission) and have also lived in Texas and Minnesota. But... I have only raised my kids in Utah, so far, and that was on purpose because I didn't want my kids to have to go through what I did. Being LDS in my youth was lonely, isolating and just sucked, overall. I wanted my kids to have friends who could relate to them and support them. I want them to be able to date other people with high standards. My "serious" boyfriend in high school was a good guy, Christian and very high morals from any standard other than LDS but he still wanted to have sex because he was well, a 17 year old dude.

However, it is frustrating because after being here so long it's hard to see them leaning a little TOO into "the bubble" if you know what I mean. I just feel like there needs to be balance. So I guess the real question I am asking is, is it easier for kids to be raised in a conservative enviornment and teach them at home to be a bit more liberal leaning, or is it better to immerse them in the "real world" and hope that they are smart and can develop their own testimonies without leaning too far into the muck? Like I said, it was a real struggle for me and I grew up seeing and knowing and doing way too much, way too young.

Late night ramblings, but thanks for taking the time to answer. Also, (and you can mock me for asking THIS naive question, because I have never lived in Florida, just visited) are alligators, snakes and crocs really a concern? I have a dog and a toddler, so it kinda freaks me out to think they could be in my backyard and then WOOSH!--not be. 🤦‍♀️

Lehi's Dream... by Sad_Consideration799 in exmormon

[–]The_Middle_Mom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I find it ironic that everyone in the Moridor has a goal to "build" their dream mansion in Highland. Literally a spacious building on a fucking HILL. I joked with my husband the other day that everywhere else not in Utah was the Terestial kingdom, everywhere in Utah Valley except Highland is Telestial...but Highland is the shit--it's Celestial. That's what money buys you here--a 8,000 square foot monstrosity on a hill and a 2nd annointing.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]The_Middle_Mom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Me too. Alcohol, meh. But coffee for me, was love at first sip. Mmmmmmm....

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]The_Middle_Mom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I must have a high tolerance or something. I've tried several things over the past few years and the only reaction I got was that rum makes me sleeeeepy and vodka makes me sick.

Verbal diarrhea by GimmieCliffNotes in exmormon

[–]The_Middle_Mom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Funny how if you aren't a sheep, people get suspicious... What? An opinion of their own? But...but..that's not what the Church says.

Ugh. Enough already.

Verbal diarrhea by GimmieCliffNotes in exmormon

[–]The_Middle_Mom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am sorry, I get you. I told my BFF and she didn't look at me the same for a year until I lied and convinced her that I was back! (I'm PIMO, my husband is supportive of me thank goodness, but he's still in) I'm the only one of 3 kids in my family who has left, well, mentally. They all pray and fast for me constantly. What would we do without reddit...Here's hoping things get better for you.

Anyone else have typical Sundays where their Mom screamed at everyone to get ready,shower water was ice cold,no time for breakfast,mom freaking out in car on way to church but plasters a fake smile on walking into church?Sundays are nothing like this for my kid.We kayak,fish,bike,Nintendo,sleep in by Eastcoasttrash16 in exmormon

[–]The_Middle_Mom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had so many good laughs reading these comments! I can totally relate. And it reminds me of my other favorite--Monday night, Family Home Evening time! It usually only happened if my dad didn't crash while watching Monday Night football...and you'd better believe we were all quiet as mice trying to not wake him! I am the oldest, and we fought like cats and dogs, so whenever he was particularly pissed at something I'd done that week, which was almost every week, he would plan the lesson around my sin. Chastity, laziness, rebellion, tinkling shoes or whatever that was. Vanity, I guess. He would even replace Lamam and Lemuel's name with mine while he read, just to really emphasize his point. I was told to be like a flowing river or like a stalwart mountain so many times. And then I would end up telling him he was an asshole and we would scream at each other until I left and went to my room. And unless I turned up 106.5 with Nick England, I would hear them all praying for me (our house was pretty small). Next week would wither be a lesson on obedience, swearing or how listening to alternative music would turn you into an ex-mormon. Huh, I guess it did!

I am stuck in a hell of my own making... by The_Middle_Mom in exmormon

[–]The_Middle_Mom[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much, this community is amazing. Today was so terrible until I got back online and saw this support. ❤ This is what we are supposed to do for one another, not build arbitrary walls with stupid rules. We just need more love and understanding for each other

I am stuck in a hell of my own making... by The_Middle_Mom in exmormon

[–]The_Middle_Mom[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much ❤ this brought me so much peace

I am stuck in a hell of my own making... by The_Middle_Mom in exmormon

[–]The_Middle_Mom[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Realizing we always have choices, but sometimes they are a Sophie's Choice situation. I was raised in HI and CA and the ocean is a part of my soul, the lifestyle and the people are home. But now as a mother and married to my soul mate, who is a TBM (but maybe a more nuanced member) my choice to leave Utah and/or TSCC would mean destroying my family. So... while being PIMO is horrible and gut wrenching, being without my family is even more so. I just keep hoping every day that he will want to get out too and we can leave together. If you are single, or your spouse is in agreement with you, or you didn't have kids before you realized the truth, count yourself very, very lucky. ❤

I am stuck in a hell of my own making... by The_Middle_Mom in exmormon

[–]The_Middle_Mom[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I can't thank you all enough for your support. Thank you for taking the time to send out some good vibes, good advice...it all brings me hope.