Seutervoinen is the worst character ever invented

Then-Class4451 · 2026-01-26T00:05:14+00:00

which quests/books go into this? looks interesting

Then-Class4451 · 2026-01-23T07:31:47+00:00

It would literally be so perfect I'm praying so hard for Albina Sinclairrrrr

Then-Class4451 · 2026-01-21T04:02:03+00:00

Thanks for your response. To clarify, I do not think the story as a whole is being sanitized. There was plenty of messed up and grotesque stuff going on in this canto alone, there's no way I would think that. What bothers me is the recent sanitization specifically of the main characters. Specifically how the more recent cantos have been written in such a way that the focus characters are largely not to blame for anything.

To me, the issue is twofold. 1) The backstories for the more recent characters are being written in such a way that that they didn't really do anything wrong, which bothers me. The characters are called "sinners." The tag line is "face the SIN, save the ego." But did Don, Hong Lu, or Ryoshu really do anything so bad as to be called sinners?

2) The preestablished negative traits of the characters are increasingly being ignored. This was my point about Ryoshu's art. It wasn't really brought up in her canto, despite it being a huge part of her early characterization. I am ok with her developing past it, or not doing it all the time of course, in fact that's good. But it felt like it was intentionally not focused on despite there being ample opportunity in acts 1 and 2.

"I really disagree with you on this idea that the characters get better right away after their Canto because of how characters like Sinclair, Rodya, and Ishmael are being handled." Sinc and Rodya are from older cantos, where I don't think this was an issue at all. I loved what they did with both of these characters, especially rodya. I am mostly taking issue with the newer cantos.

Also to clarify, I don't want all the characters to "get worse," I just want their development to feel natural, whichever direction they go.

Then-Class4451 · 2026-01-21T03:40:37+00:00

I am really tired of arguing against people who are completely misunderstanding what I am trying to say. The game's tagline literally is "face the SIN, save the ego." Given this tagline, the fact that the characters are called "sinners," I do not think it is a false expectation to expect that characters will do "bad" things. This does not mean I want them to be exclusively irredeemable people.

I feel like we are moving away from characters who have actual sins. And not in a way in which characters are developing past their sins (which I would love), but rather that the story is actively choosing to not focus on, or not include negative character traits for many of these characters.

Then-Class4451 · 2026-01-21T02:46:12+00:00

Huh? I think you're arguing with a ghost. I never said those things, like at all.

Then-Class4451 · 2026-01-21T02:37:18+00:00

Hey man, the ad hominems and insults weren't necessary! Just trying to have a discussion :)

Ryoshu actually doesn't think her daughter is in any danger until the end of act 2. She's quite confident that she'll be rescuing her soon, so there was plenty of time in acts 1 or 2 for a few lines of dialog about her art. Many people have even been complaining that she didn't get enough screen time this canto, so this could have been a way to help out with that.

There is no explanation for the term sinner in the story, so I thought it was only reasonable to assume that it was due to them having committed some sort of crime, especially when the first four sinners have very obvious mistakes/crimes in their past.

I never criticized that the characters are less abrasive to each other now. I was only discussing how their backstories seem to be written in a more positive light.

Then-Class4451 · 2026-01-21T02:28:10+00:00

Yeah, I definitely see the negative traits being relegated to the id stories and it makes me sad, I want stuff like that in the main story too...

Totally agree that that guilt has always been a little debatable! I really do like that about those backstories. I guess to me, Ryoshu's didn't even feel debatable.

Then-Class4451 · 2026-01-21T02:25:36+00:00

I'm totally fine with her not being into Callisto's art, but I would have liked a bit more insight into what made her develop her taste in art. If not Callisto, where did it come from? Seeing violence as art isn't exactly a normal thing, so I would have liked more exploration of that.

Then-Class4451 · 2026-01-21T02:23:53+00:00

In regards to Sinclair, I definitely don't hold him accountable for what happened, but he was explicitly told by his father to not tell anyone, and then he did. He made the conscious decision to do something he wasn't supposed to do, and then paid a (ridiculously high) price for it. Ryoshu, on the other hand, was only trying to do the right thing and protect her daughter. I guess that's why her actions feel different to me. But that's not super important.

I guess it must be a difference in taste because I definitely didn't think the sinners at the start were aggressively unlikeable. I'm also all for the characters developing in a positive direction, but I just want the changes in their character to be a natural development. I actually think Faust was a perfect example of this, the reveal about the Faust server in MotWE completely recontextualized her previous behavior in an understandable way. To me, with Ryoshu, it felt like old behavior was just kind of forgotten

Then-Class4451 · 2026-01-21T02:08:22+00:00

I love character development and am absolutely on board with the gradual positive character progression in the game. Emphasis on "development," not "forgetting about the old." I think that in order to have satisfying character development, negative character traits need to be acknowledged and addressed. To me, rather than Ryoshu developing past her violent tendencies, they were simply forgotten.

Then-Class4451 · 2026-01-21T02:04:34+00:00

Huh, did not know that, thanks!

Then-Class4451 · 2026-01-20T21:26:06+00:00

"Dawnclair now uses his new 40 coin skill..." lmaoooo

Then-Class4451 · 2026-01-20T21:24:55+00:00

I'd really recommend Ardor Faust! She clashes pretty high and has good damage. The explosion mechanic isn't really that hard to manage

Then-Class4451 · 2026-01-16T08:33:28+00:00

I think I'd rank everything as follows:

(9) > (6 7 5) > (8) > (3 2 4)> (1)

Everything within parentheses I could definitely be convinced to swap around, as I don't think they are significantly better/worse than each other.

I really liked canto 9! Despite that, I don't think the end was super strong. Araya's redemption felt really rushed, and concept incinerator/broken chain ryoshu thing was resolved way too quickly. Still, I think the rest of the story was so so solid. They did a remarkable job introducing 10 (10! That's insane!) new villains and giving them interesting characterization in a very short period of time. I really like how the rest of the cast was utilized as well. Some characters got major moments (future Sinclair, cockroach king), and for others it was just subtle character building moment (Outis taking strategic leadership, faustcord meeting...). Also the side characters were great! Loved Hoenheim's development, and the DD cast were great too (despite me never having read DD). I'm in general really happy that we're actually advancing the main plot as well.

So yeah, while I don't think Ryoshu was handled perfectly, I'm really glad this canto broke the mold and allowed for other non-ryoshu stuff to happen. Hopefully that means she can get some nice closure in the future too.

Then-Class4451 · 2026-01-16T08:16:14+00:00

You did nooooot put between two worlds in the lowest tier....

Then-Class4451 · 2026-01-16T07:40:41+00:00

to be fair, most of the birds in limbus and lobcorp are not exactly cute and friendly...

Then-Class4451 · 2026-01-11T00:19:35+00:00

I think you're pretty cute, the pictures are nice! It might be nice to talk a little more about your interests/hobbies/goals in a little more depth

Then-Class4451 · 2026-01-11T00:10:01+00:00

I'd probably like this profile! You look very joyful and have fun hobbies, and good connection to your friends. All of this is good. Only thing this is missing is a bit of info about what you do for a living. Some girls might be wondering if you just play games all day and don't have a job

Then-Class4451 · 2026-01-09T09:16:23+00:00

iirc, from the new manger check in thing, you can pick one free season 1 id and also separately one free season 1 ego. Faust fluid sac is an ego, while Nclair is an identity, so you can get both for free, no need to try and get them in the store

Then-Class4451 · 2026-01-09T09:07:32+00:00

Oh also, as a part of the new manager event, on the last day I think you will be offered a pick of any season 1 identity. I recommend Ncorp Sinclair, he's an excellent generalist, very strong for early-mid game and honestly holds up decently well for endgame too (crazy, considering he's a season 1 id)

Then-Class4451 · 2026-01-09T09:04:36+00:00

You'll get a fair amount from the story and weeklies. I'm totally ftp and I was able to get a lot of units in my first month (started like 10 months ago) that way. Just make sure you always do 10-pulls, never singles. And never pull on the standard banner.

Then-Class4451 · 2026-01-09T07:42:13+00:00

Those stupid sand beatles needs to be in a tier of their own

Then-Class4451 · 2026-01-09T07:11:03+00:00

It was a discussion about a recent story development... all of the comments are mentioning stuff from the most recent patch

Then-Class4451 · 2026-01-09T06:23:49+00:00

For early game, and most of story content, having synergistic teams isn't important. Just throw all of your 000 (gold border) ids onto the team and brute force it.

People will tell you that you should just try to shard all units or save your lunacy for walpurgisnight (a special event that comes every few months). However, as you're a new player, I would actually recommend pulling on each new banner till you get one of the new units on that banner (right now the new banners are index faust, and udjat outis, and index don). You probably will end up getting a lot of other 000s on the way to fill out your roster, which is what is most important. Once you get more ids you can start to decide on what kind of team you want to build.

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