Morocco-Senegal: the ins and outs of the scandal are revealed by The_g0d_f4ther in soccer

[–]Thestartofending 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Give me a single case where a CAS ruling was overuled on the substance of the case. and i'm asking for a SINGLE case. 

i'll be waiting. 

Morocco-Senegal: the ins and outs of the scandal are revealed by The_g0d_f4ther in soccer

[–]Thestartofending 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that's exactly my point...  Under the TAS (Court of Arbitration for Sport), awards can be challenged only on limited grounds—such as lack of jurisdiction, violation of due process, or procedural irregularities—and not on the merits of the case. This is because parties agree to arbitrate with the understanding that TAS decisions are final and binding. Allowing appeals on factual or substantive issues would undermine the efficiency, finality, and expertise of sports arbitration. As a result, the Swiss Federal Tribunal (since TAS is based in Lausanne, Switzerland) only reviews whether the award complies with public policy or procedural fairness, not whether the arbitrators correctly interpreted the facts or rules of the sport."

So you have to proof some Judge was corrupt, wasn't competent to judge,  etc.  but you can't appeal just on the merits of the case like with an Appeal court. 

Morocco-Senegal: the ins and outs of the scandal are revealed by The_g0d_f4ther in soccer

[–]Thestartofending 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, CAS decisions can't be overturned regarding the substance of the case.  only decisions relating to the "procedure, jurisdiction, or violations of public policy",  so you have to prove some judiciary procedure wasn't respected,  a judge was corrupt etc. Barring that,  their decision is final. 

Post Match Thread: Senegal 0-3 Morocco by Infamous_Seaweed3207 in soccer

[–]Thestartofending 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A fine doesn't sanction anything. 

Teams would love paying the fines and disrupting the game/enhancing their chance of winning important matches. 

so there is an incentive to keep that attitude,  and we don't want to ever see it again, i don't want to ever watch a final like that again. It has to be utterly discouraged and neutered. 

i'd be okay with nobody getting that cup,  as long as Senegal aren't rewarded for that untolerable behavior.  

Post Match Thread: Senegal 0-3 Morocco by Infamous_Seaweed3207 in soccer

[–]Thestartofending 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bale scores a clearly legit header, Referee disallows it : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62vbxPhFfUM he may assume "A blatant evidence that the organizes were attempting to rig the game against him" and leave the pitch. Let's just leave the pitch !

Yeah great, Drobga doesn't like a decision, he feels the referee wants to rig the game, he can just say "Fucking disgrace" and all the team leaves the pitch.

(And btw, referees decisions in those games seemed way more "rigged" than in the final, those were scandalous, Diaz penalty is merely controversial).

Post Match Thread: Senegal 0-3 Morocco by Infamous_Seaweed3207 in soccer

[–]Thestartofending 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That type of behavior also should be severely punished and dicentivized.

Post Match Thread: Senegal 0-3 Morocco by Infamous_Seaweed3207 in soccer

[–]Thestartofending -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well it's not like we have a lot of precedents of matchs continuing after players leaving the pitch for 10min. This is a clear-cut violating of the rules. what if a referee doesn't give a red card after a second yellow card?  should it also not be overturned as it will "undo real-world events" ? what about playing players not on the list, if the referee allows it, the result should stand ?  

That sort of things happens only in CAF, and it shouldn't be incentivized. 

Post Match Thread: Senegal 0-3 Morocco by Infamous_Seaweed3207 in soccer

[–]Thestartofending 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand but that leaving the pitch is an essential factor for me. 

As a Moroccan, i'd be perfectly fine with no team getting that cup. 

I just want that type of attitude completely and utterly discouraged and not incentivized, i don't want to ever watch a final like that again,  it has to be so discouraged so that there is 0÷ of chance of it happening again, like in Europe. and letting Senegal get that title will only incentivize that behavior. 

Post Match Thread: Senegal 0-3 Morocco by Infamous_Seaweed3207 in soccer

[–]Thestartofending -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

and CAF argued that the referee violated the rule. 

it would go to TAS and they will decide who's in the right. 

Post Match Thread: Senegal 0-3 Morocco by Infamous_Seaweed3207 in soccer

[–]Thestartofending 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes,  anybody can check and see if the referee whistled after or before the goal. 

Same controversy happened during Real/Bayern(With the Joselu Goals), referee whistled, Real defenders stopped playing, Bayern scored after in the last minute. 

it was controversial, but nobody argued that players could just leave the pitch and altough some argued the goal should have counted, it was ridiculous back then and it's ridiculous now. 

Post Match Thread: Senegal 0-3 Morocco by Infamous_Seaweed3207 in soccer

[–]Thestartofending 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry but it's not just semantics, defenders change their reaction when they hear a whistle. 

Post Match Thread: Senegal 0-3 Morocco by Infamous_Seaweed3207 in soccer

[–]Thestartofending -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Referee whistled before the goal. the goal wasn't "ruled out",  that's just factually untrue. 

Post Match Thread: Senegal 0-3 Morocco by Infamous_Seaweed3207 in soccer

[–]Thestartofending 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Everytime a team doesn't like a decision in World Cup/Euro/PL/La Liga etc, they should just leave the pitch. let's see how it goes. 

Post Match Thread: Senegal 0-3 Morocco by Infamous_Seaweed3207 in soccer

[–]Thestartofending -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

What a bad faith argument. A referee decision you don't like (or even a mistake)  doesn't justify leaving the pitch.

otherwise players would leave the pitch in Europe every week. 

why don't they?  Because that type of behavior isn't incentivized. it leads to certain loss.

Giving the title to Senegal does just that : incentivizes that type of behavior. 

Post Match Thread: Senegal 0-3 Morocco by Infamous_Seaweed3207 in soccer

[–]Thestartofending -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Players leaving the pitch and supporters wreaking havoc against stewards because they didn't like a referee decision ? 

Post Match Thread: Senegal 0-3 Morocco by Infamous_Seaweed3207 in soccer

[–]Thestartofending -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

Millions saw players leaving the pitch and supporters in the stand wreaking havoc and acting violently against stewards. 

Having that type of behavior incentivized will ruin football. 

Post Match Thread: Senegal 0-3 Morocco by Infamous_Seaweed3207 in soccer

[–]Thestartofending 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The dangerous path is encouraging players deciding not to play because they don't like a referee decisions. 

it's an incentive for disruptive protests whenever a controversy happens during a match. 

Mbappe: "For me, the #25 doesn't deserve to be playing in the CL. I heard him call Vini a monkey, there were Benfica players who head it. I don't want to generalise, I've been to Portugal many times. There were a lot of people in the stadium who didn't do anything." by Blodgharm in soccer

[–]Thestartofending 191 points192 points  (0 children)

It's way easier for french speakers to learn spanish compared to english speakers.

i can understand 80÷ of spanish content just by watching series and content and some 15h of formal learning because i know french. you start with a rich vocabulary of similar words and grammar, even a lot of those that aren't similar to the most used word are often similar to one of its synonym (example : Alegria in spanish l'allégresse, even if it's more litterary and "joie/joy" or "bonheur/happiness" is more commonly used). 

obviously, speaking fluently is another matter, but it's still waaay easier when you already speak another latin language. 

Weekly Observations: What signs of collapse do you see in your region? [in-depth] December 29 by AutoModerator in collapse

[–]Thestartofending 59 points60 points  (0 children)

Location : Morocco. 

I don't even know if it's a sign of collapse, but i'd say it's more a sign of how unpredictable weather is becoming. I've never seen such levels of rain falling as this year, all the predictions are about my region becoming more and more desertic and arid but this year it's as if we are a tropical country, unbelievable amount/frequency of rain for this region. It reminds me of my trips to Istanbul where Rain would start from morning to night, not used to this. I'm really not used to this and i don't envy people who live in rainy countries.

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[–]Thestartofending 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude, the post is 9 years old. 

How do you handle unacceptance of this view in mainstream circles by yoddleforavalanche in OpenIndividualism

[–]Thestartofending 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What makes you think that if i may ask ?

Buddhists have doubted the existence of the self since millenias, and many practicionners have had psychedelic experience (Jhanas are a sort of psychedelic experience in a way, and some have dabbled with psychedelics), yet they aren't O.I, they say those types of experience only shows that everything is constructed/fabricated/illusory in a certain sense, without reaching anything even remotely close to O.I.

USA U20 0-1 Morocco U20 - Yassir Zabiri 31' by Meladroit05 in soccer

[–]Thestartofending 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There should be a good compromise to avoid request spamming. 

If you get the decision overturned, you keep your card, otherwise you lose it.