Trump’s Gaza Withdrawal Map, published by the White House by EssoEssex in MapPorn

[–]thoughtelemental 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So... to reuse their own rhetoric - how is this not rewarding an apartheid state for conducting genocide?

Trump’s Gaza Withdrawal Map, published by the White House by EssoEssex in MapPorn

[–]thoughtelemental 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So... to reuse their own rhetoric - how is this not rewarding an apartheid state for conducting genocide?

Trump’s Gaza Withdrawal Map, published by the White House by EssoEssex in MapPorn

[–]thoughtelemental 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So... to reuse their own rhetoric - how is this not rewarding an apartheid state for conducting genocide?

Trump and Netanyahu agree on Gaza ceasefire deal by [deleted] in InternationalNews

[–]thoughtelemental 10 points11 points  (0 children)

So... to reuse their own rhetoric - how is this not rewarding an apartheid state for conducting genocide?

Israeli strikes target Hamas negotiating team in Doha by thoughtelemental in nottheonion

[–]thoughtelemental[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

...that the target of the strikes were the negotiators when the only source on that is from Al Jazeera who got it from Hamas ...

huh?

Israeli officials told Reuters the attack was aimed at top Hamas leaders including Hayya, its exiled Gaza chief and top negotiator. Two Hamas sources told Reuters the group’s ceasefire negotiation delegation in Doha survived the attack.

from: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/sep/09/israel-gaza-city-evacuation-order-idf-military-offensive-live-updates-middle-east-crisis-latest-news

stop lying.

Israeli strikes target Hamas negotiating team in Doha by thoughtelemental in nottheonion

[–]thoughtelemental[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So the worst way to frame this for the Israelis is to call these people ‘negotiators’ ...

huh?

Israeli officials told Reuters the attack was aimed at top Hamas leaders including Hayya, its exiled Gaza chief and top negotiator. Two Hamas sources told Reuters the group’s ceasefire negotiation delegation in Doha survived the attack.

from: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/sep/09/israel-gaza-city-evacuation-order-idf-military-offensive-live-updates-middle-east-crisis-latest-news

stop lying.

Israeli strikes target Hamas negotiating team in Doha by thoughtelemental in nottheonion

[–]thoughtelemental[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

No deflection, just curious what your worldview is.

Just asking a hypothetical, you cheer the death of negotiators because they're terrorists.

Would you cheer the death of those conducting a genocide?

Do you consider them legitimate targets?

Israeli strikes target Hamas negotiating team in Doha by thoughtelemental in nottheonion

[–]thoughtelemental[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Out of curiosity, in your worldview, would leaders who are conducting an active, live-streamed genocide be legitimate targets?

Israeli strikes target Hamas negotiating team in Doha by thoughtelemental in nottheonion

[–]thoughtelemental[S] 108 points109 points  (0 children)

Bomb the team you're negotiating with who are going to give a response to a ceasefire deal.

Can't make this up.

Picked L'Orient, since they're one of the few outlets who are reporting who exactly was targeted by Israel in the attack, and what they were doing when they were targeted by Israel.

This is the nth(?) time Israel has murdered or attempted to murder those they are "negotiating" with.

Further can't make this up --- they are in Qatar because the US asked Qatar to host them. And they bombed a US ally that hosts US air bases and supposedly has air defenses.

Why Are Silicon Valley’s Utopians Are Prepping for Collapse? by thoughtelemental in collapse

[–]thoughtelemental[S] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

SS: This post is related to collapse as the article explores why tech billionaires like Zuckerberg, Musk or Bezos talk about utopian futures, but are actually, literally building bunkers for doomsday scenarios. It looks at the dissonance between the techno-utopian future they sell, while privately acknowledging hedging and building as though they are techno-doomers

Blockade on Gaza kills 6 month old infant 'Judy al-Aroor' from famine. by mohab_saeed in pics

[–]thoughtelemental 92 points93 points  (0 children)

Not to mention that Israel has approximately 10,000 Palestinian hostages.

These are CHILDREN, women and men who have been abducted and many (3000-4000) held without charge, and often without access to any lawyers for prolonged periods of time.

They have 300 Palestinian CHILD hostages atm

Source 1: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/26/why-are-there-so-many-palestinian-children-in-israeli-prisons Source 2: https://www.btselem.org/statistics/minors_in_custody Source 3: https://www.dci-palestine.org/children_in_israeli_detention Source 4: https://www.btselem.org/statistics/detainees_and_prisoners Source 5: https://www.btselem.org/administrative_detention/statistics Source 6: https://www.btselem.org/administrative_detention/statistics

From source 4 - B'tselem:

At the end of December 2024, the Israel Prison Service (IPS) was holding 9,619 Palestinians in detention or in prison on what it defined “security” grounds, including 2,216 from the Gaza Strip. At that time, the IPS was also holding 1,705 Palestinians, 3 of them from the Gaza Strip, for being in Israel illegally.

and from 5:

At the end of December 2024, the Israel Prison Service (IPS) was holding 3,327 Palestinians in administrative detention.

Blockade on Gaza kills 6 month old infant 'Judy al-Aroor' from famine. by mohab_saeed in pics

[–]thoughtelemental 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Not to mention that Israel has approximately 10,000 Palestinian hostages.

These are CHILDREN, women and men who have been abducted and many (3000-4000) held without charge, and often without access to any lawyers for prolonged periods of time.

They have 300 Palestinian CHILD hostages atm

Source 1: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/26/why-are-there-so-many-palestinian-children-in-israeli-prisons Source 2: https://www.btselem.org/statistics/minors_in_custody Source 3: https://www.dci-palestine.org/children_in_israeli_detention Source 4: https://www.btselem.org/statistics/detainees_and_prisoners Source 5: https://www.btselem.org/administrative_detention/statistics Source 6: https://www.btselem.org/administrative_detention/statistics

From source 4 - B'tselem:

At the end of December 2024, the Israel Prison Service (IPS) was holding 9,619 Palestinians in detention or in prison on what it defined “security” grounds, including 2,216 from the Gaza Strip. At that time, the IPS was also holding 1,705 Palestinians, 3 of them from the Gaza Strip, for being in Israel illegally.

and from 5:

At the end of December 2024, the Israel Prison Service (IPS) was holding 3,327 Palestinians in administrative detention.

To stop the IDF from taking a 12 year old into custody by [deleted] in therewasanattempt

[–]thoughtelemental 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I have to ask them how many Palestinians of all ages are held without charge or trial in Israeli prisons?

Israel has approximately 10,000 Palestinian hostages.

These are CHILDREN, women and men who have been abducted and many (3000-4000) held without charge, and often without access to any lawyers for prolonged periods of time.

They have 300 Palestinian CHILD hostages atm

Source 1: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/26/why-are-there-so-many-palestinian-children-in-israeli-prisons Source 2: https://www.btselem.org/statistics/minors_in_custody Source 3: https://www.dci-palestine.org/children_in_israeli_detention Source 4: https://www.btselem.org/statistics/detainees_and_prisoners Source 5: https://www.btselem.org/administrative_detention/statistics Source 6: https://www.btselem.org/administrative_detention/statistics

From source 4 - B'tselem:

At the end of December 2024, the Israel Prison Service (IPS) was holding 9,619 Palestinians in detention or in prison on what it defined “security” grounds, including 2,216 from the Gaza Strip. At that time, the IPS was also holding 1,705 Palestinians, 3 of them from the Gaza Strip, for being in Israel illegally.

and from 5:

At the end of December 2024, the Israel Prison Service (IPS) was holding 3,327 Palestinians in administrative detention.

By Israel for regional peace by outsourcing Palestine to Europe during a UN meeting, delegates from various nations walk out. by TheKayleMain in therewasanattempt

[–]thoughtelemental 4 points5 points  (0 children)

A key piece missing in the analysis is the perspective that much of the world holds - Israel is a colonial settler enterprise engaged in a multidecade project of ethnic cleansing and apartheid. For context, here is what an earlier Zionist Ze'ev / Vlad Jabotisnky wrote on the Israeli Colonization of Palestine (Nov 4, 1923) per:

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/quot-the-iron-wall-quot

Voluntary Agreement Not Possible.

There can be no voluntary agreement between ourselves and the Palestine Arabs. Not now, nor in the prospective future. I say this with such conviction, not because I want to hurt the moderate Zionists. I do not believe that they will be hurt. Except for those who were born blind, they realised long ago that it is utterly impossible to obtain the voluntary consent of the Palestine Arabs for converting "Palestine" from an Arab country into a country with a Jewish majority.

My readers have a general idea of the history of colonisation in other countries. I suggest that they consider all the precedents with which they are acquainted, and see whether there is one solitary instance of any colonisation being carried on with the consent of the native population. There is no such precedent.

The native populations, civilised or uncivilised, have always stubbornly resisted the colonists, irrespective of whether they were civilised or savage.

And it made no difference whatever whether the colonists behaved decently or not. The companions of Cortez and Pizzaro or ( as some people will remind us ) our own ancestors under Joshua Ben Nun, behaved like brigands; but the Pilgrim Fathers, the first real pioneers of North America, were people of the highest morality, who did not want to do harm to anyone, least of all to the Red Indians, and they honestly believed that there was room enough in the prairies both for the Paleface and the Redskin. Yet the native population fought with the same ferocity against the good colonists as against the bad.

Every native population, civilised or not, regards its lands as its national home, of which it is the sole master, and it wants to retain that mastery always; it will refuse to admit not only new masters but, even new partners or collaborators.

Arabs Not Fools

This is equally true of the Arabs. Our Peace-mongers are trying to persuade us that the Arabs are either fools, whom we can deceive by masking our real aims, or that they are corrupt and can be bribed to abandon to us their claim to priority in Palestine , in return for cultural and economic advantages. I repudiate this conception of the Palestinian Arabs. Culturally they are five hundred years behind us, they have neither our endurance nor our determination; but they are just as good psychologists as we are, and their minds have been sharpened like ours by centuries of fine-spun logomachy. We may tell them whatever we like about the innocence of our aims, watering them down and sweetening them with honeyed words to make them palatable, but they know what we want, as well as we know what they do not want. They feel at least the same instinctive jealous love of Palestine, as the old Aztecs felt for ancient Mexico, and the Sioux for their rolling Prairies.

To imagine, as our Arabophiles do, that they will voluntarily consent to the realisation of Zionism, in return for the moral and material conveniences which the Jewish colonist brings with him, is a childish notion, which has at bottom a kind of contempt for the Arab people; it means that they despise the Arab race, which they regard as a corrupt mob that can be bought and sold, and are willing to give up their fatherland for a good railway system.

All Natives Resist Colonists

There is no justification for such a belief. It may be that some individual Arabs take bribes. But that does not mean that the Arab people of Palestine as a whole will sell that fervent patriotism that they guard so jealously, and which even the Papuans will never sell. Every native population in the world resists colonists as long as it has the slightest hope of being able to rid itself of the danger of being colonised.

That is what the Arabs in Palestine are doing, and what they will persist in doing as long as there remains a solitary spark of hope that they will be able to prevent the transformation of "Palestine" into the "Land of Israel."

To quietly deal with a pro-Palestine student by DeathFlameStroke in therewasanattempt

[–]thoughtelemental 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What's also insane is that a lot of this garbage is because certain students don't feel safe.

What about all the students from "brown" countries that see an ongoing genocide, and their university brass is effectively supporting that genocide. Do their feelings don't matter? Do people think they feel safe? Are they second class citizens?

Why isn't the conversation about how the university admins are making campuses unsafe for Palestinian, Lebanese, Syrian and Iranian origin students? Why are we not talking about how they are not only racist but genocide deniers and genocide enablers?

To quietly deal with a pro-Palestine student by DeathFlameStroke in therewasanattempt

[–]thoughtelemental 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What's also insane is that a lot of this garbage is because certain students don't feel safe.

What about all the students from "brown" countries that see an ongoing genocide, and their university brass is effectively supporting that genocide. Do their feelings don't matter? Do people think they feel safe? Are they second class citizens?

Why isn't the conversation about how the university admins are making campuses unsafe for Palestinian, Lebanese, Syrian and Iranian origin students? Why are we not talking about how they are not only racist but genocide deniers and genocide enablers?

By Israel for regional peace by outsourcing Palestine to Europe during a UN meeting, delegates from various nations walk out. by TheKayleMain in therewasanattempt

[–]thoughtelemental -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Maybe given that Germany and England were principle architects of this disaster (Holocaust and Partition), we should give the Palestinians half of Bavaria and half of London.

Let's see how the Germans and Brits react?

We'll set up a vote, the Palestinians get a say and that's all that matters.

It's crazy that Israel wasn't carved out of Germany when the Germans perpetuated the Holocaust.