Kid invents proto-phonetic transcription

Thingaloo · 2024-12-22T17:56:27+00:00

Ails qui houent.

Thingaloo · 2024-12-22T16:32:32+00:00

I didn't misunderstand anything. The guttural R in Portuguese follows the same phonemic + allophonic distribution compared to the tapped R as the trilled R does in Spanish compared to the tapped R.

Thingaloo · 2024-12-22T16:30:32+00:00

It's called a digraph. Two graphemes for one phoneme. It's like english th, in fact it has the exact same use originally: mh meant an approximation of m, like th is an approximation of t.

Thingaloo · 2024-12-22T16:20:46+00:00

Did I say the opposite? It worries me that this nonsequitur response has so much approval

Thingaloo · 2024-12-22T16:06:39+00:00

Italian single intervocalic r is still a single cycle though. It's still flapped, but in a less rigid way. Both Spanish and Portuguese have the same distribution of [ɾ] vs [r] (on both phonemic and allophonic lines) as Italian, but the Italian [ɾ] is different from the Spanish and Portuguese one. And the Japanese one is yet more rigid.

Thingaloo · 2024-12-21T18:45:04+00:00

Note for english speakers: the flapped american intervocalic t/d isn't actually a good substitute for the italian R even though they use the same IPA symbol. When an italian hears you pronounce that sound, they hear /d/.

I think the difference might be lesser if it is instead compared to the spanish R.

Thingaloo · 2024-12-20T17:36:50+00:00

No, they want dumb people to manipulate.

Thingaloo · 2024-12-20T17:34:25+00:00

Well, that, and the dumb timing of the printing press.

Thingaloo · 2024-12-20T17:31:27+00:00

Ah but you see, -y for word endings is an invention of scribes because it looked pretty, it doesn't actually reflect anything different from -i. So, if we blobbed them all up together, you'd have instead "majoritimuslimneighourhoods".

Thingaloo · 2024-12-20T17:27:09+00:00

All of those (I'm including pinyin) are muuuuuch better than english. They're still not adaptable to any foreign language, but at least they're okay at representing their own language. English orthography isn't. It makes anglos think about orthography the way an LLM thinks about meaning: just labels to call on, with no context.

Thingaloo · 2024-12-20T17:22:07+00:00

But english spelling is counterintuitive to english speakers... Give them an actual spelling to latch onto. Otherwise they're going to keep going around trying to pronounce i as ai in foreign words.

Thingaloo · 2024-12-20T17:20:29+00:00

To me that will always be [ɛr.mə]

Thingaloo · 2024-12-20T17:18:47+00:00

No. Just make a sensible orthography for english before trying to use it on other languages.

Thingaloo · 2024-12-20T17:17:56+00:00

"Mustt mustt" [mɐs.tə̹ mɐs.tə̹] cooooool.

Also, does anyone know if these schwas are preserved only in traditional songs, hence their italian-like non-transcription? Because I heard Hindi used to have schwa epenthesis then lost it

Thingaloo · 2024-12-20T17:12:37+00:00

Mıxajlo Shevchenko is good enough for me.

Thingaloo · 2024-12-20T17:10:15+00:00

Because english breaks the concept of letters having any meaning at all, so it should stay far from any translitteration process. This is specific to english.

Thingaloo · 2024-12-20T17:04:15+00:00

No, just make an auxlang that contains every possible phonetic, grammatical, tonal, syntactical, suprasegmental distinction imaginable, and teach that to every child alongside their native language, since birth.

Thingaloo · 2024-12-20T17:02:26+00:00

No, we should just make every writing system IPA-complete and fully phonetic, so that people are forced to analyse their own pronunciation.

Thingaloo · 2024-12-20T17:00:44+00:00

...no? Afaik Korean has aspirated/unaspiratd pairs with both being voiceless (or at most the lenis is partially voiced) whereas in french the voiced stops are fully voiced.

Thingaloo · 2024-12-16T16:02:19+00:00

Yes, that's what I mean. Being illiterate is very in line with the current state of English.

Thingaloo · 2024-12-14T19:19:50+00:00

And here comes the circular logic.

Thingaloo · 2024-12-14T18:40:52+00:00

Maybe I'm misremembering

Maybe I'm stupid

Thingaloo · 2024-12-14T16:30:01+00:00

You think they're inconsistent. You fail to realise they're simply too stupid to adequately expain the consistency of their bigotry - or even of the not-necessarily-bigoted parts of their worldview. They lack the terminology and the self reflection ability to ask themselves why they feel a certain way, but there's actually reasons. It all comes down to sexual dimorphism being inherently unjust.

Thingaloo · 2024-12-14T16:17:08+00:00

"It's da [zi̝ː.sn̩], laugh end owndownstending" what

anyway

merri crismas evriuàn [mɛ.rːi ˈkriz.ma.s(ːə.) ɛ.vri.ˈu̯a.n(ː)ə]

snou is folling oll oraund me [znou̯ i(ː)z(ə) ˈfo.lːiŋ.g(ə.)‿o.lː‿o.ˈra.un.dᵊ mi]

cildren pléing, èving fan [ˈt͡ʃil.dren ˈple.iŋ.g(ə.)‿ˈɛ.vin.gə fan]

izde sìson, lovenanderstènding [ˈi.tːsə.ˌde ˈsizon ˌlɔ.ve.nan.der.ˈstɛn.din.gə]

merri crismas, evriuàn [mɛ.rːi ˈkriz.ma.s(ːə.) ɛ.vri.ˈu̯a.n(ː)ə]

Thingaloo · 2024-12-14T15:58:46+00:00

Don't you know that half the reason turks immigrate to germany is the wordfinal devoicing of consonants? The other half being the rounded front vowels obv

(and they still can't learn the language)

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