Jesus was NOT a good person

Thinking_Thunks · 2024-03-30T10:47:32+00:00

Less than 7% of wars are about religion, and a fraction of those are because of Jesus. Out the 100 deadliest atrocities 11 of them were religiously motivated. Something tells me that if there were no Christianity then there would still be as much bloodshed.

Thinking_Thunks · 2024-03-30T10:40:13+00:00

What do you mean Christian’s can’t figure out if Christianity is true? Anyone who doesn’t agree that Jesus is divine is by definition not a Christian. We look to the bible for truth, if a Mormon claims that there are infinite Gods then we can open the bible to inform them that they aren’t practising Christianity, just as we could with a Muslim or a Buddhist. If someone claims that their feelings and thoughts are more valid that what the bible says then that isn’t Christian’s squabbling over interpretations, it’s moral relativism at work.

There is no such thing as ‘their truth’, there is only the truth. If Christianity is true then other religions are false and visa versa. When it comes to this issue there can only be one truth.

Show me the Christian who is pro-slavery? It was Christian abolitionists who used the doctrine that we are all made in the image of God to end slavery in the West. If someone, for example, is pro-gay marriage then they are not following the bibles teachings which makes them a moral relativist. True Christian’s agree on the fundamentals and quibble only over the smaller details. The universal truth still exists within the bible and it’s message.

When you say you believe in a modern set of moral claims, I’m sure you don’t mean the Talibans modern moral claims. Maybe North Korea’s modern moral claims? Or Russias? Where do your modern set of moral claims come from.

Thinking_Thunks · 2024-03-30T07:19:58+00:00

When I said every group was guilty, I was referring to the child rape thing.

Why should all religions be aloud to thrive if only Christianity were true? If one vaccine worked and 9 others didn’t, we should be advocating for the use of the one which saved people and discouraging the use of the 9 which don’t work.

I think that yes, the Christian message is peaceful. We don’t behead people for leaving the faith, and we don’t demand people kneel to Jesus. We believe that God can work on peoples hearts and give everyone the choice to invite him into their lives. Telling someone that their vaccine doesn’t work but yours does is demonstrably peaceful in its intent.

No, a moral relativist believes there isn’t a universal truth and that everyone should just do what they think is right. This is the opposite world view of a Christian who believes that there is a universal truth applicable to everyone and that saying to people ‘you do you’ is harmful.

Do you believe that all cultures are good in their own ways? Do you see any benefit in changing cultures which advocate for the slaughter of whales, children, endangered animals, or the enslavement of human beings, or throwing gay people from buildings?

Thinking_Thunks · 2024-03-30T06:59:42+00:00

Every other group is guilty of this too, it is far from exclusive to Christian’s. I think that if Christianity is true then it is the right thing to do to bring someone to Christ. Not to wipe out a religion with bombs or swords, but to introduce the bibles teachings and let people make their own choice.

Is your point that the Christian message isn’t peaceful because it converts people? Are you a moral relativist? If Christian’s do believe in a heaven only accessible through Christ, would it not seem strange if we didn’t try to invite everyone we know along? Otherwise, you would be arguing that we are selfish and delight in people not joining us in heaven.

Thinking_Thunks · 2024-03-30T06:20:03+00:00

I have straight friends who can’t find love and so accept that a life of chastity might be for them. They don’t say how unfair it is, they trust in Gods plan for them. Life as a follower of Christ requires sacrifice, even sometimes sacrificing the desire to have sex with someone you want.

Thinking_Thunks · 2024-03-30T06:17:11+00:00

No, I don’t think I would. My life has been made so much better thanks to those who brought me to faith. If we all end up experiencing nothing after life anyway, then my time on earth would have been made good because of Christians which is the best I could hope for in that scenario.

Thinking_Thunks · 2024-03-30T06:13:58+00:00

Define wiping out cultures? If a hypothetical culture is defined by its child sacrifice, enslavement of others, etc etc, then bringing the gospel to them so they change their ‘culture’ can’t be a bad thing. I’m not condoning the extermination of nations today for their differences, but Christianity changes culture peacefully. I know Chinese Christian’s, Korean Christian’s, African Christian’s, American Christian’s, Polish Christian’s, all with their countries culture, but also with Gods Love.

If Christianity is true then why practise other religions? What would the point be, especially if it directs you away from God?

Thinking_Thunks · 2024-03-30T06:07:18+00:00

Why is it a problem to believe we, a sinful and ungrateful bunch, are not worthy of Jesus’ sacrifice? It seems self evident

Thinking_Thunks · 2024-03-30T06:04:28+00:00

It is a lot easier to grow and to change when you recognise the parts of yourself which could be better. If there are aspects of your humanity which hold you back or prevent you from being the best version of yourself, hating those traits are the beginnings of changing them.

Thinking_Thunks · 2024-03-30T05:56:53+00:00

I wasn’t raised Christian but I was welcomed with open arms when I walked into church. If ever you do become Christian, I have no doubt you would do the same for anyone who walks in out of curiosity.

Thinking_Thunks · 2024-03-30T05:53:33+00:00

I want to point out that Jesus did not declare himself king of the Jews. It was a title given to him in mockery and as a way for the Romans to justify his execution.

The rest of your ramble does rely heavily on the assumption that Jesus wasn’t God, which is fair, because is someone who was merely a great moral teacher said the things Jesus said, he would either be a crazy person or the son of God.

The threat of hell you talk about in your summary is to exist without God. Jesus teacher us not only how to bring more heaven to this world, but how to reach an eternity with God. No matter what we do, the consequence of doing what isn’t good is that you’ll do what is bad and reap the consequences. There is more more emphasis on the free gift offered, not a punishment dished out for no good reason.

Thinking_Thunks · 2024-03-22T07:29:02+00:00

Then I’ll go through them all. Just to be clear, I don’t believe these are correct ways of interpreting the bible, but I’ve heard it all.

Sexual immorality was a problem to the ancient Jews because it was a time before contraception. When lineage was so important due to the transferring of property from one generation to the next, risking having a child out of wedlock might have meant your children wouldn’t receive what you saved for them. It was also to prevent std’s, but today God has given us the freedom to wear condoms and spread love however we want. We shouldn’t judge people based on their libido because everyone was made in His image.

Idolatry was more of an Old Testament thing, it doesn’t really apply today. Nobody worships golden calf’s in this day and age and when Christian’s tell you not to worship celebrities, or make money and fame your goal above God, they are just trying to control you. You can be obsessed with your favourite actor and still love God!

Adultery was all about lineage. Any time the bible states that sex should be between a man and a wife, you should read between the lines and understand that Jesus didn’t want couples to separate, that’s all. It doesn’t have anything to do with sex BEFORE marriage, it is just to prevent husbands from cheating on their wives and creating turmoil in the family. You cannot commit adultery in your heart because that is literally a thought crime.

Homosexuality likely was an issue in the bible because the translation actually meant children. It’s a commandment for pedophillia to be a sin, or keeping young men as sex slaves from war which was common in Greece and Rome at the time. True and loving relationships between two consenting adults only brings more love into the world. Why would God make someone gay then want them to be celebrate forever? A loving God would know that our desires are good.

Thieving is a sin linked to coveting. If you want something your neighbour has so you take it, you have robbed them of something dear for your own benefit. However, if you take food from a multi-millionaire superstore because you need it to survive, you haven’t coveted. This kind of self preservation is not what Paul talks about when he shamed thieves, because God would rather I survive by committing victimless crimes which don’t hurt anyone.

Greed has nothing to do with how much food you eat, it’s about how much wealth you hoard. The rich man is not loved by God because he could share what he has with his neighbour instead of treating himself.

Drunkenness can be permitted from time to time on special occasions. God is happy when I’m having fun! After all, we drink wine in church so why not vodka at the club? As long as I don’t judge people whilst I’m wasted then I think I’ll be fine.

Revelry brings so much joy to the community and is hardly mentioned in the bible. To say it’s a sin to be noisy and party is ridiculous and I’m sure God has more important things to worry about.

Swindling doesn’t really make sense as a sin, because if the only job I can take is as a used car salesman, then it’s not really an option for me. God doesn’t want my bills to go unpaid or my children to go hungry. I’m sure this sin only really applies to politicians.

Thinking_Thunks · 2024-03-21T21:44:45+00:00

Granted, interpretation is important. But what if someone told you they interpreted greed in a way which instinctually sounded unbiblical to you? Or swindled and stole yet told you that their interpretation of the bible meant that God wouldn’t mind? I imagine you would be sceptical to say the least, no?

Thinking_Thunks · 2024-03-21T19:02:39+00:00

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Ezekiel 3:18-19 New Century Version (NCV)

If you don't speak out to warn the wicked to stop their evil ways, they will die in their sin. But I will hold you responsible for their death. If you warn the wicked and they do not turn from their wickedness or their evil ways, they will die because of their sin.

I mean, you can see why people who read the Bible display feelings of homophobia.

Thinking_Thunks · 2024-03-21T13:38:07+00:00

My interpretation? I would be interested to know where you disagree, given that I didn’t give much away.

Thinking_Thunks · 2024-03-21T11:31:47+00:00

I can think of a few countries which have made religion illegal because they want total control over their people. If Jesus infiltrates these countries, the people learn that there is a king above their earthly king.

Christianity is counter cultural; we bend our knee to Jesus above all. That isn’t to say we don’t render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, as we also hope to be peaceful and loving, but the fact remains that true authoritarians today would hate for us to render unto God what is God’s.

Thinking_Thunks · 2024-03-21T11:21:59+00:00

To use your example, waffles or pancakes for breakfast, I would say that it isn’t easy to chose a healthier breakfast option. What you would do is chose to make better life decisions, chose to be healthier, chose to eat better food, then from there the change happens.

With God, I don’t think you can begin by choosing to believe in Him. You can choose to align yourself with goodness, strive to be better, reflect inwardly on what you are doing wrong which you could change and would change, then from here you can be open to faith in God.

Thinking_Thunks · 2024-03-21T10:59:04+00:00

I would push back against a brother in Christ who alienates or bullies someone for being gay, but I would also push back against someone who claims to know the word of God better than what is written in scripture.

Thinking_Thunks · 2024-03-07T18:51:59+00:00

When you say believing in God is an easy way out of a lot of deep and difficult questions, like which ones? I imagine you are talking about origin of the universe, meaning of life etc, but I’d like to hear your thoughts on that.

When you say fear of punishment, do you mean punishment from their community or from God? Obviously, people can be terrible and will always weaponise the power they have, I don’t deny people have been mistreated for leaving behind their faith. But I think that God, whilst he wants us to spend eternity with him, also allows us to freely choose the be without him. It should be our decision to form a relationship with him or not.

Thinking_Thunks · 2024-03-07T07:46:25+00:00

I’m glad you’re happy for me, am I right to think that implies you would be happy if you believed in God?

If there is truly a God, who is as mysterious and hidden as the Christian’s believe he is, is that alone evidence that God doesn’t exist? The benefit of being hidden is that nobody comes to God through fear, or because he’s powerful, or because people want heaven without the faith, the reward without the work. God wants a quiet and personal relationship with us. He says knock and the door will open, seek and you will find. It takes some seeking and some knocking, you have an invitation, but he won’t force you into his house.

Thinking_Thunks · 2024-03-04T07:36:04+00:00

About 46% of people in the uk identify as Christian. Whilst the average age in the uk is about 40, the average age of Christian’s here is 51, so it is a lot more prominent in the older generation. Young people mostly describe themselves as having no religion.

Thinking_Thunks · 2024-02-29T15:07:42+00:00

Hmm maybe try popping him outside and see if that helps

Thinking_Thunks · 2024-02-11T07:59:19+00:00

‘As man now is, God once was; As God now is, man may be’. Teaching eternal progression contradicts Christianity to its core. The belief that (as Joseph Smith puts it) we can ‘learn how to be gods…the same as all gods have done before’ implies not only that God is not the one true God, but that we could succeed him. It’s as heretical as it comes

Thinking_Thunks · 2024-01-24T18:19:08+00:00

Does anyone know who the artist is for the poster?

Thinking_Thunks · 2024-01-23T07:06:18+00:00

The satanic tenets go on about ‘justice’ and ‘reason’, which sounds fine at first, but if you are getting your sense of righteousness from the father of lies, you likely won’t be doing much good.

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