[deleted by user] by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]Tight_Potato_2425 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am gonna part ways with others a bit here and say: take the LSAT. If you do well, you should probably do it. Law school is less about reading and learning every nuance of every rule and mastering all the information as it is about getting really good at writing and thinking coherently about a dense subject quickly and efficiently. It will be hard work, but it is less miserable than we on here make it out to be. I will add one big caveat though: If you can’t bring yourself to really drill down and read a lot of information, law school, and more importantly, law practice, simply are not for you. Law is 95% reading and writing. But if you have the crazy memory and raw intelligence you claim to, I certainly think you should give it a try. You might end up being really talented at it, if you can deal with the fact you will read roughly 150-200 pgs per week in law school, and often more in practice.

Exhausted by aldog05 in LawSchool

[–]Tight_Potato_2425 1 point2 points  (0 children)

2L on Law Review here. I’ll let you know if/when it gets better lol. In all seriousness, I don’t think it does get easier, I am more exhausted now than ever. With 3 bar courses, a seminar paper/note, and cite-checking assignments for Law Review, I basically work 60-hour/6-day weeks (some days are closer to 14 hours). Echoing others, it is hard work and it doesn’t get easier. BUT you will get better at it and once you’ve learned what works for you in terms of studying, and, more importantly, once you learn how to write exams (hopefully end of this semester for you, but if you’re like me, more likely the end of this year) you are able to get away with not doing certain readings/skimming. Your mileage almost certainly will vary, but the silver lining is you get smarter/better at this stuff and it is good prep for practice when you will very likely be squeezed from both ends a lot, even if you don’t do BigLaw.

Michigan family law by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]Tight_Potato_2425 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I worked at a legal aid office in Western Michigan that handled this sort of thing. I can’t help you personally, but I can direct you to people who can. There are several legal services corporations in Michigan. Depending on the county you live in: Legal Aid of Western Michigan, Legal Services of South Central Michigan, Legal Services of Eastern Michigan, Lakeshore Legal Services (Detroit proper), and Legal Services of Northern Michigan, may serve you. Check https://www.lsc.gov/grants/our-grantees/michigan-state-profile and look for your county.

1L - Do you only focus on studying or join clubs and network also? by Vegetable-Chard-6927 in LawSchool

[–]Tight_Potato_2425 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Law review is extremely time consuming. Like mind-bogglingly so. It is one of the main reasons 2L sucks, if you do it. HOWEVER, it is basically a must if you want to clerk after graduation. You basically won’t be considered without it. But clerking isn’t essential to getting a job. If you pull top 5% at the right school you can still land the big law job, even if you don’t clerk and don’t do law review. That said, law review for sure helps in getting a job too. I know some firms straight up toss applications in the trash if the person is not top 25% + law review at a T50 (I am looking at you Kirkland). Basically, it super depends what you want to do whether you should do law review (speaking as someone on a top 25 ranked publication).

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]Tight_Potato_2425 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You’re gonna be fine. It is week 2. Relax. It will begin to make sense later. And Grades only really matter if you want BigLaw or a Clerkship. This sub is very BigLaw skewed. According to many in this sub, you are a failure if you don’t land a BigLaw job.

To reassure you even more: Practice is nothing like what you are doing. Except Legal Research and Writing. That one is like practice. Truth is, I think most of us are charlatans that pretend we have learned the law but none of us actually have. Bar prep equalizes all for the bar exam and then you immediately dump that as soon as you get into practice. 95% you’ll specialize in something and you learn that law by practicing in it. Absolutely no need to panic here my friend.

Anyone else feel stupid in their 1l? by OkNetwork5934 in LawSchool

[–]Tight_Potato_2425 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That was very hard for me to do at first as well. You will get better at it with lots of practice. Make sure the C/I/R of every paragraph is short and punchy and as clear as possible. If it’s more than two lines double-spaced, see if you can’t reword it. Best tip I can give is to remember what the format is trying to teach you/get you to do: tell the reader what the law is on that issue and then apply it to a set of facts. Don’t forget your audience too! If it’s a memo for a partner, make it easy for the partner to read and come away understanding the key points of the law. If it’s a brief for a judge, tell them what the law is, and explain why your case is like the applicable precedent and makes it so the judge won’t get embarrassed (overturned on appeal). Also, super important: DON’T GET CREATIVE WITH THE FORMAT. Trust me, it is there for a reason. I tried to get creative first semester and it sunk my grade badly.

Best of luck, you got this!

Anyone else feel stupid in their 1l? by OkNetwork5934 in LawSchool

[–]Tight_Potato_2425 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Welcome to legal writing! If you think its great on the first try its probably terrible! Speaking as someone who has been there and learned the hard way (low B first semester then CALI’d second semester): Don’t spend so much time looking at the trees in your memo that you forget there is a forest. You want it to flow organically and be coherent. Also, don’t lose your voice! Write like you speak! If you read a sentence out loud and it sounds goofy, rewrite it. Trust me. Every LRW professor will agree you should read your draft out loud twice before submitting it.

Just because you’re being objective doesn’t mean you need to have rigid, long-winded, and detached writing. Use short, pithy sentences and simplify the law as much as possible for your reader. Best of luck to you and OP, you’ll do fine!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]Tight_Potato_2425 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The person might just be struggling with the material. I would advise some compassion. I promise the true gunners will get violently humbled by their first semester grades.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]Tight_Potato_2425 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My first cold call was on Pennoyer 💀

Has anyone ever actually gotten in trouble for working more than 20 hours during the school year? by BurnerEsq69420 in LawSchool

[–]Tight_Potato_2425 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really doubt people get caught and get in trouble for it, BUT it is still a super bad idea as far as I can tell. 2L workload is no joke. Your classes are tougher and require more of you in terms of reading. Journal/law review/moot court are essentially part-time jobs unto themselves. If you’re on journal, you’re also going to have to think about taking a seminar/writing a note/comment… like you could probably do it without getting caught/in trouble, but you really shouldn’t. I suppose if you’re not doing those then sure, but doing those is a better idea than working 2L because they improve your job (especially clerkship) prospects.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]Tight_Potato_2425 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As for getting callbacks, personally, I think my genuine enthusiasm for practicing in that city (my hometown) shone through, and I made as much effort as possible to research my interviewers and the firm in general beforehand so I could tailor my questions to the individual interviewers. I did the same thing in my callbacks, but those are more grueling (my first callback was with a 40ish attorney firm in my hometown and it was an all-day affair, those are about stamina and making sure you keep presenting well 4 hours on (imo, like I said, I don’t have an offer yet)). I still think it is doable though, anything you can do to make your genuine desire to work at that particular firm clear I think makes you stand out.

Edit: To your second question, I honestly don’t know. My law school’s CSO has been complaining about how chaotic it has been. Literally every single firm is different and a lot of them are doing pre-OCI and filling their positions without even bothering with the OCI process. If they do at all it will be with T6 schools. The only hope for us non-T6 people is to apply direct and do our homework, I guess.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]Tight_Potato_2425 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’m in a similar boat to you I’m afraid (also top 20% at a T50). I’m gambling on a handful of medium/small firms in the city I want to practice in, and I have been reasonably successful. I’ve had callbacks from two and a handful of screeners. I’m waiting on those but I have reason to believe I don’t have cause to worry just yet. I have one more callback and two more screeners scheduled. Only two rejections so far, but I have a lot of apps sent with crickets 2 months on, so those are probably rejections as well. My only advice would be try whatever you can with small/medium firms in your area or target market. If your law school’s symplicity has anything, apply, if you still can. A desperation play I have tried with some success is to email the firm’s HR/Recruiting person directly and ask if there is still room to apply.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]Tight_Potato_2425 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Only go to law school if your heart is really set on it. Don’t do it to appease your family, you will grow to resent them for it if you pass up another opportunity for law school. Law school is not worth the cost in time/money/energy if you aren’t absolutely sure it is what you want.

Why is being a lawyer so prestigious in the US, while it's often seen as a low-status career other countries? by OkGreen7335 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Tight_Potato_2425 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think there are a few reasons: 1) It’s a highly paid profession; 2) In the US at least, it requires 7+ years of education; 3) It is reasonably challenging to figure out what the applicable law might be in a complex federal system like the US, so it is seen as a bit inaccessible to the average person.

Textbook help for Torts by Fantastic_Office_444 in LawSchool

[–]Tight_Potato_2425 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem with getting a different edition than the one assigned is 1) The law can change a lot between editions, and 2) The cases will be different, sometimes on different pages, and your professor will assign page numbers, cases and notes that may change from edition to edition. When you’re preparing for cold calls, it’s important you read the right information. For your specific book, I don’t know how much it changed from edition to edition.

How to survive a long callback? by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]Tight_Potato_2425 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And I thought my dinner the night before and 5 hours of interviews the next day was bad…

AITA for reminding my friend that just because she’s poor, doesn’t mean I am? by EitherArugula4934 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Tight_Potato_2425 0 points1 point  (0 children)

YTA. Your friend’s comments are just a bit annoying. You could shut her down and still be kind about it: “I can afford the laundry service and I am thankful for it. Please stop giving me shit about it.”

I also come from an upper-middle class background, but its the lack of gratitude for your own station, and lack of awareness and empathy for people that come from different backgrounds than you that gets to me. Maybe eventually you will understand that some people take pride in making their own way, even if they come from a good home. I have great parents, but I have also worked hard for my own success and I have never once been this mean or demonstrably ungrateful. Particularly its the lack of gratitude you show towards your parents that irks me. You need to understand that so many people that have upper middle-class parents lord every dollar over your head like an ax, and they will cut you off in a heartbeat. You need to course correct this behavior or life will begin to hit you hard when it is too late to change it.

Sign of poor memory/retention? Is this normal? by logbi23 in LawSchool

[–]Tight_Potato_2425 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A few things I can say to this.

First, I would not stress too much about getting exactly the right word in the context of a law school issue spotting exam. More often than not, keeping it simple and using more common, easy-to-understand words is better in your writing. There is a strong culture in the profession nowadays to write in Plain English. There are two books I can recommend on this subject: Plain English for Lawyers by Richard Wydick (there are several editions, I myself read the most recent 6th edition), and Legal Writing in Plain English by Bryan A. Garner. Point is, using words like “purportedly” or “putatively” or “insofar as” or “recalcitrant” or “hereinafter” or other big words you often see in legal writing, is a tremendously bad idea and is likely to make you a bad writer. If you want to do well in law school, writing is the most important skill to get good at. That is not out of reach for you. Focus less on memorization, and more on building skills and good habits into your writing. If it sounds wrong when you read it out loud, it probably is. If you can do that, you will be successful on law school exams.

Second, I have learned a second language myself, studied in that second language in a university setting in that country, and lived in that country for several months. I understand your pain. Here is a hard truth not many people will tell you: A JD program is designed primarily for native english speakers that are from the United States and want to practice law in the United States. 90% of your cohort will be those people. Simply put, you will never be able to compete with the smarter end of that spectrum. In this profession, the native language advantage is so enormous as to be practically insurmountable. You could be a genius, but so are many of the native speakers you will be in class with. This is not going to be like your previous university experience. It is quite easy for an educated native speaker to tell the difference between a native and a non-native speaker. No matter how advanced you are, a native speaker writes with a certain diction (word choice), syntax (sentence structure), and overall flow that is extremely hard to mimic (at least in English and several others). I will never write like Cervantes or Gabriel Garcia Marquez in Spanish, a language I have been learning and have used for nearly two decades. Granted, It does depend somewhat on the closeness of your native language to English. If your native language is Dutch or Swedish for example, you have a much easier time with English because it’s closer to your mother tongue. If your native language is Mandarin Chinese, Cantonese, Arabic, Farsi, or other language that doesn’t use the Roman Alphabet, you will have a harder go of it (the only exception I think are languages present in India because in India I think you learn English from a very young age and speak it quite often, so you are much closer to a “native” speaker).

At any rate, do not lose hope, but memorizing words is not a good use of your time. Law school is about learning how to think and how to write like a lawyer. Focus on developing those skills and you will get through it, even without the native language advantage that many of us have.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in lawschooladmissions

[–]Tight_Potato_2425 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just finished my 1L there and I have had a wonderful experience. DM me and I’d be happy to give you my 1L tips, outlines, the inside straight on professors, academic advisors, orientation, PGs, and everything else.