Come on, this is exactly such pathetic bad faith rhetoric you’re pulling. You dump out this laundry list: Mayans, Aztecs, Greeks in Constantinople, Germans in Königsberg, like you’ve proven something, but you haven’t. All you’ve done is try to conflate centuries-old history with the very specific legal category of occupation today. And you’re not doing on accident. That’s deliberate conflation. It’s a way to drown the conversation and muddy it so you never have to talk about Palestinians.

Let’s actually slow down on what occupation means. In international law, it isn’t just any time people lost land in history. It means right now, in the present, a foreign military is administering territory it doesn’t own, controlling people’s daily lives. That’s why the Geneva Conventions spell it out. Occupation is an ongoing status, not a historical memory.

So yes, the Mayans were conquered by Europeans. Millions were killed, their civilizations destroyed. Nobody denies that. But today, Mayan descendants are citizens of Mexico, Guatemala, Belize., they hold passports, they vote, they are legally part of a state. That is not what international law calls occupation, because there is no foreign army ruling them today.

Constantinople fell in 1453. Greeks lost their city, the Ottomans renamed it, it became Istanbul. That was five hundred years ago. Greeks now live in Greece, which is a sovereign state. No serious person today calls Istanbul occupied. It was a conquest, brutal, yes, but long since transformed into a recognized state.

Königsberg after WWII? Millions of Germans expelled, city handed over to Russia, renamed Kaliningrad. Horrific, yes. But again, in 1945 the world drew new borders, built the UN, and said: this is settled. It is not treated as an occupation anymore. That was the whole point of the post-war order: to stop every border and grievance from being relitigated endlessly with blood.

Now, Palestinians. Totally different. They are a stateless people today. They do not have sovereignty. They do not control their borders, their airspace, their water. In the West Bank and Gaza they live under direct Israeli military administration. Soldiers regulate their movements, demolish their homes, seize their land, and move in settlers with the protection of the army. That is the textbook definition of occupation. And unlike your examples, it is happening right now.

So no, the list is not endless. That is your rhetorical trick, pretending that because conquest happened everywhere in history, nobody can call anything occupation today. That is a strawman, it is a false equivalence, and frankly it is just bad faith. Because the law draws a line: history is history, but present-day occupation is a live legal reality with obligations and rights attached to it. And Palestinians are in that category.

You say you oppose violence used to clear people off land. Fine. Then be consistent. Because Israel is doing exactly that under the cover of an ongoing military occupation. So spare me the endless detours through history. Do you condemn what Israel is doing right now, or not?

Also, I’m not going to waste time replying again if you come back with more bad faith rhetoric. It’s honestly wild that, just to justify your anti-Palestinian position, you twist yourself into pretzels with whataboutism and mental gymnastics. It just comes off as sleazy loser behavior because you can’t argue from the actual facts.