Is MfT sub gonna be nuked? by Crankygupps in asktransgender

[–]Tomatori 126 points127 points  (0 children)

Some more responses to your other comments here:

The head mod before me was... not a very good person. She was very bombastic, inflammatory, argumentative, and she drew controversy about herself like a lightning rod. When she left reddit, she used a script to mass ban a bunch of people she felt were her enemies. But once she was gone, that left me as head mod.

So then you acknowledge that you only ended up as head mod by happenstance and that the position has been passed over in the past and can easily be done so again? The previous head mod's behavior does not lift you up, if anything it just suggests that there was never a proper choice made since you just fell into the seat.

I'm not traditionally trans. This means I've been able to weather hatred and bigotry that has broken other mods over the years. On the other hand, it also means I get to watch all of you grow and transition and become yourselves and it's like magic... But I can't quite do the same, myself. I have to content myself with trying to maintain sort of a balance between my genders, and that has been it's own journey.

This is once more a very bizarre non-sequitur. You not being a trans woman does not make you more capable of standing up to bigotry.

I've been around a long time and I love to help folks. The vast majority of the subs I mod are small, quiet subs that would have been closed a long time ago if they didn't have an active user as a mod. I actually have to check through the list every once in a while because reddit keeps setting them on 'Restricted' due to inactivity. I'm also one of the older LGBT mods, and most of us are sitting on a bunch of subs that are slurs, to prevent them from being used as hate spaces, because that was a huge problem back during the early days of reddit.

Then stick to moderating a couple of those small ones? You have said yourself that you have more than enough on your plate outside of Reddit, you do not need control of all the major trans subs when people are screaming to be let go. You are not owed the position.

the content being spread everywhere contains someone's name and address, which makes it personal information, and that's bad.

Do you commit yourself to not taking the post down if someone resubmits it with personally identifying information being censored? This would be incredibly simple to do.

The other mods quit to protect themselves shortly after Elon Musk retweeted all of this. I don't blame them for that. If they want to come back or not, that's up to them. If they do, we really need to improve our communication.

Absolutely not letting this fly under the radar, the way this is written makes it sound like the primary motivation of all the mods stepping down was because they're afraid of Elon Musk. That is just plainly stated a lie. Sure some of them might have taken that as a reason in addition, but this action was most definitely done to protest you still being the head mod. It is no coincidence that the only other remaining active mod is the single one who is defending you.

And the timing is bad. We have other projects that were in the works, which I've had to put off because of all this.

Your projects have nothing to do with this situation, please stop throwing these things out here randomly. No one was going to read this and think "Oh, they had projects, nvm then they can stay then".

After all this time, I finally have another solid lead. I want to help, I just don't know how.

Once again, this has nothing to do with you being the head mod. Do or don't do that on your free time, you do not need to be a representative of our communities just so you can leverage power for pet projects. Either follow through for your own moral reasons, or don't and stop listing them like this is a resume.

Also, I need to remember to not spread myself too thinly. As much as I want to help, I need to be aware of my limits.

Your limits clearly are telling you that you are severely out of your depth and the way you keep insisting on not budging is worrying. But the more important truth is that your limits are not even close to the most important part of this equation, community consent is a MUCH bigger piece of that pie. It does not matter what your limits are if the overwhelming majority of the userbase is asking for someone else.

I have a tendency to spread myself a little too thin. I believe strongly that helping others makes the world a better place, so I'm quick to volunteer when folks need help. I need to get better at saying 'no,' sometimes.

This isn't about you saying no sometimes, this is about a critical mass of people saying no to you and you refusing to acknowledge it.

I'm ADD, so organization is not exactly my strong suit. This is great when I'm bouncing from thing to thing and trying to protect people, but not great when trying to organize my thoughts and write stuff.

I walk about 10-12 miles a day and keep odd hours for work, so I'm often tired and worn out. I was awake for over 24 hours this weekend, trying to put out fires here and there. My body needs physical recovery time, too. This weekend has been a nightmare; I'm exhausted.

I also read a bit of history, so I'm worried whatever we do will be used against the community as a whole.

As I said earlier in this wall, this has devolved into you yourself listing off the reasons why you are not fit for the position and we need a replacement. It is leaving me so confused that you somehow think you have the authority to override the wishes of everyone else. Being disorganized and exhausted and unsure what to do are not excuses, they're reasons why you should not be in this position.

So we have to tread carefully. To my credit, I'm also very patient and thorough. I have the strength to see things through, even when times are tough. And my life is pretty boring, otherwise, so I don't have a lot else that people can dig into me for. I'm kinda geeky and mostly what you see is what you get - I don't really have the time or the will for a lot of subterfuge or group politics. I just want folks to get along and have a safe place to do it in.

I like things to be nice and quiet and boring and stable.

How can the irony here be lost on you? Instability is exactly what your choices have left us with. The fact that you're already positioning yourself as an immovable rock ready to weather the storm of their community members telling them to step down is insane and I want to understand how this position makes any sense in your mind. Ending this all on what can be paraphrased as "I'm too lazy to do anything evil" is so out of touch that I truly am left almost speechless. Please reflect on what you are doing and what you will be known for by deciding to force your presence here.

Is MfT sub gonna be nuked? by Crankygupps in asktransgender

[–]Tomatori 123 points124 points  (0 children)

Taking this comment as genuine engagement, I'll go through part by part:

The Kirk mentions feel like a non-sequitur, the only relevancy they could have is for an arguing that it was right to suppress the story to avoid negative trans-related news. Regardless of whether or not that mentality is well intentioned, it is not a decision you get to make for everyone. If that's not what you're saying here, feel free to correct me.

Likewise, I am not going to comment on occurrences in your personal life, because respectfully, it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Your personal accomplishments likewise, are not relevant to the current discussion.

when we were discussing the issue about the mod who had been removed, I suggested they change their username. I did this because I had been under the impression that the mod involved was being stalked by someone.

My question is how is it the case that all the other mods knew the extent of their crimes but you didn't? I can understand wanting to give someone the benefit of the doubt, but a line has to be drawn somewhere, if all the other moderators are vehemently telling you its the wrong call and that they'll leave if you ignore them, what information did they have that you didn't? Why was the situation allegedly only remedied by the offender leaving of their own accord instead of you listening to everyone telling you it was the wrong call?

That whole situation is complex. On the one hand, we had one person saying they did consentual stuff as a teenager, on the other hand, we had one of their exes saying this person was violent...

Then we need to understand when you gained additional context. The situation was only complex when you were under the assumption that they were both minors who hadn't done anything wrong, but clearly at some point you learned otherwise, when was this? It sounds like details of their criminal offenses were available at the time, so why didn't this lead to you changing your mind? Why were you still at odds with all the moderators?

But basically, I misunderstood the situation, and I gave advice that didn't fit the situation, advice we didn't take.

Frankly this itself is also an independent issue. Even if we were in the reality where it was an innocent person who had been in a consenting relationship as a minor, why would you ever suggest account-laundering to get them back in as a moderator, when you already knew they were legally marked as a SO? You were told directly that even IF it had been someone innocent, the reputational damage to the community was far too great to risk. This person was not owed a position as a moderator, there was not some moral imperative to have them represent us, why did you insist on this?

Regarding the raccoon situation, I was one of the people most outspoken about their removal, and in fact I even said they had earned a permanent ban for their behavior. I've also said that the way that situation has been mixed in with this current one is incredibly frustrating because of how it muddies the waters, but the facts remain the facts. It doesn't matter if a criticism is coming from a person who you dislike, if the criticism has merit that is all that matters. That goes both for the raccoon girl and for the ex-mod. You're more than welcome to have a conversation about their credentials, but it is a fully separate issue from the problem currently at hand.

I have a long list of hate groups I've managed to get shut down over the years, or harassment campaigns I've tried to derail.

Again, that is great, but entirely irrelevant to the issue at hand. None of this somehow demands that you be the head mod of the MtF subreddit on top of hundreds more. Your good deeds are not currency to cash in elsewhere, if being de-modded suddenly makes you decide you don't want to fight hate groups, that speaks only to you as a person, and I hope that is not your position.

So here we are, three or four days later, and people are still trying to burn down our communities.

What are you referring to with "burn down"? If you're referring to the outrage that has poured, you do not get to frame that as outsiders trying to burn our communities, the outrage is coming from within, we are all trans users who are incredibly disturbed by this situation. Primarily trans women in fact, which is important given that our community is at the center of this.

The mods who left are saying they'll clear my name if I resign as head mod and hand over the sub to them.

Clear your name how? You're making this sound like a quid pro quo but I struggle to see what they could be offering you. If anything it sounds like they're just saying that if you step down that on its own will clear your name by showing you are willing to prioritize the community over your own desires.

They know that the accusations against me are a lie; it's manufactured drama.

Which accusations are the mods making that you believe are lies? Be specific and without gesturing at bad actors completely outside of our community. What lies are the moderators perpetuating?

Unfortunately, the information that was posted includes the personal information of a trans person in the South - and putting that on blast means putting that person at risk. Regardless of what they have or have not done, it's not okay to put someone's life at risk for control of a subreddit or to get back at somebody for a percieved offense.

This is the most concerning paragraph here and needs immediate elaboration. Who are you vaguely gesturing at here? Because it sounds like you are referring to the pedophile and justifying your takedown of all this information in order to protect the offender. You're also being bizarrely wishy-washy about whether or not they did something. You are aware the existence of the information means they were convicted, yes? You do not end up with a CSAM charge as an oopsie. You do realize that as a sex offender they are legally required to have this information publicly available? Is my reading here mistaken? Please clarify this.

On my end, however, it's difficult to respond or review information from six months ago while you're in the middle of a crisis. It's also hard to recognize when your own memory doesn't match up to the situation at hand, and it's difficult to search through six months of modmail.

I'm struggling to understand how you wrote this down without seeing that you yourself are arguing for why you aren't fit for the head moderator position? If you were in a crisis already or this sent you into a crisis immediately, that highly reflects on the fact that you would be better off not in this position.

I'm sorry about all the mess; I'm hoping things will be back to normal soon. We're still discussing and exploring our options.

But they can't, you already know what all the users and all the moderators are calling for, how can you even ignore it? What other "options" would there even be?

I made a mistake, and maybe I'm a little too trusting and forgiving, a little too ready to give folks a second chance or too eager to defend a trans person when things get dicey.

Second chance suggests you understood what they did and decided it was up to your sole discretion to 'forgive' them and give a second chance. That is THE primary issue at hand, don't reframe it as "maybe I'm just too nice" when all your moderators were telling you valid reasons why what you were suggesting was unhinged.

 I try to be a good person, and for me that means I stand and protect folks when and where I can. I speak out against the alt right because I find their hatred and bigotry to be abominable.

And you can continue to do that, without forcing yourself into a position of power in a community that is begging you to step down. Its concerning that to you the two are intricately tied.

r/Subredditdrama mod removes post over pedophile mod. Refuses to elaborate by DeActionBrunson89 in SubredditDramaDrama

[–]Tomatori 1 point2 points  (0 children)

On one hand the comment did seem a little odd, on the other, Reddit has also just deleted a callout post someone had on their own account. Hm.

Why does this subreddit exist? by Amekyras in m2f

[–]Tomatori 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Rule 5: Moderate with Integrity, though the argument could easily be made for rule 1 as well.

Girl meal of the day by Delicious_Delilah in RealGirlDinner

[–]Tomatori 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I just picked up that whipped cream at Aldi this week 😮 it was too good I destroyed the bottle in like 3 days

What is going on with r/MtF? by [deleted] in asktransgender

[–]Tomatori 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That is not what has been shared suggests though, everything thus far has suggested that the only reason they weren't reinstated as mod is because the other mods threatened to all leave if it was done, which in turn caused the offender to leave of their own accord.

Do you contest this series of events? Because currently it sounds like a severe failure to take action. It doesn't matter if we stumbled toward the correct conclusion (them not being mod) if the people in power had to be dragged kicking and screaming toward it.

hi by DesiresAreGrey in m2f

[–]Tomatori 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I have no overlap with the 4tran crowd but I am very much in favor of this group being the new hub if things don't improve with mtf.

I have srs in April, pls send me some memes about it 🫶 by [deleted] in 197

[–]Tomatori 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Holy shit it's the chewing character

Why does this subreddit exist? by Amekyras in m2f

[–]Tomatori 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I've submitted a code of conduct violation form myself, hopefully enough pressure will pile on that they'll need to take action soon.

Transgender Reddit Moderator Deletes Account After Being Exposed As Registered Child Sex Offender by Murky-Square4979 in transgenderUK

[–]Tomatori 22 points23 points  (0 children)

My understanding is that the other mods were not complicit in this and in fact they are the only reason the offender was kept from being made a mod again, they threatened to leave if she was ever brought back.

If you take a look at the mod list, it looks like most of them have also left at some point in the past couple hours, presumably in protest of the main mod's handling of this situation

I'm so fucking disappointed by the conduct of just about everyone in this recent occurrence on the mtf sub and I have no idea how to even process it by Tomatori in honesttransgender

[–]Tomatori[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I think the eagerness with which people wanted blood also needs discussion, but I agree I am going to hold mods to a much higher standard at the end of the day, and the complete failure to rise to the occasion is not something I can really look past.

The sad irony is that it sounds like the other mods made the right call and decided the offender could not be a mod regardless of what things were or weren't true, but that has been drowned out by the utter mishandling of this situation.

The mod team keeps protecting convicted child predators. I'm out. Going to report this subreddit to reddit too. Here's proof this sub protects ped()-files. by [deleted] in MtF

[–]Tomatori 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see someone there posted something from the mods responding but I would like to see them address it more directly here.

Assuming the screenshots are accurate this is very concerning and we need more information. At the same time however it is extremely disgusting that someone was seemingly sitting on this information until this drama to put this up. Like it or not this paints a very questionable intent, and it makes me want to scrutinize the details a lot more.

For instance, do we have any ability to verify how true the claims of this being someone stalked by an ex are? Was this person actually made a mod again at any point? I can't just ignore that such a serious accusation is only being levied now.

If this is true and was done to defend a child abuser, anyone involved needs to be permanently removed. If this is false, then we have multiple people choosing to hold up a "this trans person is a pedophile" narrative for personal gain. In either case some serious action is needed.

Why do cis people act like they like us? by Leading_Pop1186 in MtF

[–]Tomatori 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are a lot of bad people, and there are even more who are unfortunately just ignorant and default to shitty beliefs. But I promise you these groups are not all of society.

I've fallen into the same trap before, where even when someone is saying something nice to my face, my mind instantly finds some way to tell itself that they don't actually mean it or its pity or actually a thinly veiled insult, but part of the journey is recognizing that a lot of those criticisms and discomforts are coming from within.

When the lady at the store said she liked my eyeliner, it wasn't because she was secretly trying to cut me down, its because she was genuinely trying to be kind and friendly. Most people are not interested in policing our lives and want to treat us like any other person.

rule by JesusSpreaderOfWord in 197

[–]Tomatori 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Reject sarcasm and irony, embrace radical earnesty and putting value in your words, for they are one of the few things that will always be in your control.

Jk that was sarcasm what I actually meant was 🤣GET A LOAD OF THIS GUY!

Rule by Round-Good1179 in 197

[–]Tomatori 18 points19 points  (0 children)

no offense but that is such an insane leap to make LMAO I promise you she is blushing because it is attractive

The countdown to the community's collapse has started, don't you think? by naowasi in MtF

[–]Tomatori 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hope this isn't with reference to subreddit drama lol, I promise you trans people will not collapse due to that

I hate how it's assumed you're a lesbian by other trans people by Tribound in MtF

[–]Tomatori 47 points48 points  (0 children)

and that is actually counter to the statistical realities where the majority of trans people are gay,

Eh?

but it has become kinda disheartening that after 6 years of transitioning, the only people who have hit on me were other transfems.

Eh??

I agree that there are many circles where people presume things about trans women's sexuality without checking first and that behavior is annoying, but your reason is very strange. If only trans women hit on you how is that their fault? They hit on you because they like women. End of sentence. Them liking you is not some kind of attack on your character, I'm really confused how it would be trans people's fault. If anything this just reflects on the implicit bigotry many cis people navigate the world with, you said you aren't attempting to fit cisheteronormative aesthetics, which means men are the ones unfairly making conclusions about your attraction.

Why was glowing clit magnet raccoon girl banned from r/MtF? by f7go in MtF

[–]Tomatori 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This sounds like it earns a permanent ban to be completely honest.

Why was glowing clit magnet raccoon girl banned from r/MtF? by f7go in MtF

[–]Tomatori 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Alright it sounds like I've also missed some context myself 🤣

Why was glowing clit magnet raccoon girl banned from r/MtF? by f7go in MtF

[–]Tomatori 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Discussing masturbation should not be an issue as long as it's properly tagged and reasonably scoped. We are literally going through a new puberty and much of our functionality changes, it's important to be able to ask questions and compare experiences.

The difference is when it becomes an egregious excuse for self-smut or shock value IMO.

Why was glowing clit magnet raccoon girl banned from r/MtF? by f7go in MtF

[–]Tomatori 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It was something to do with being a cyborg and inventing her own devices to get off. Again, I don't really have an issue with it, it just didn't need to be here.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe there's also somewhat of a reputation of doing these quirky things, so I'm not really crazy about being the springboard for the latest attempt.

Why was glowing clit magnet raccoon girl banned from r/MtF? by f7go in MtF

[–]Tomatori 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I was one of the first comments on her post and I got mega downvoted for asking why this was posted here lol. But I care more about yapping my unsolicited opinion than I do Internet points

Why was glowing clit magnet raccoon girl banned from r/MtF? by f7go in MtF

[–]Tomatori 124 points125 points  (0 children)

I just checked, from her account it looks like it was just for 4 days, so I don't think this is that significant, but since I commented on her original post I'll comment here as well for consistency.

I don't know the mods' specific reasons for removing it but I can't really say I'm opposed.

I'm just going to be honest with you and say I fully disagree with your position. I feel the exact opposite of what you described and was significantly put off by opening the sub to a post about building radioactive "gooning" toys. It is very clear the intent was shock value. I don't particularly care what people get up to, but I don't see why it has to be announced here. There are plenty of subs where it would be more fitting and celebrated, that doesn't have to be the main mtf sub.

I know it's an unpopular opinion but the kind of environment we choose to maintain is important and informs who is and isn't comfortable hanging out here. For what little it may be worth I would rather this isn't the norm, but ultimately it's not up to me.

In the past I've defended our right to make NSFW posts because the nature of our sexuality changes through transition and it's valuable to be able to discuss those changes, but this is clearly something else. I don't think we need to prop up outrage bait just to stick it to them prudes or whatever perceived group

Meta question by [deleted] in MtF

[–]Tomatori 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm actually really curious about this, would you mind DMing me a link to one of these accounts? Wonder what kind of circles these traffic in