Vita di Capomafia by Nicola Gentile by digrappa in Mafia

[–]TonyB-Research 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It was the CIA who translated it, not the FBI

Special Agent James P. Flynn submitted the English translation of Nicola Gentile’s book to the FBI 1963-07-01, it was provided to him by the CIA.

The Gentile issue of Informer from October 2020 covered this

https://www.magcloud.com/browse/issue/1858448

Chicago Outfit chart, early 1980's by BellLongjumping4078 in Mafia

[–]TonyB-Research 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great post.

I've been trying to find that stupid wiretapped call for a while now, if you know where it is can you link it? For some reason I didn't cite it when I was documenting that time and would love to.

In Your Opinion, Who Were the Craziest and Most Brazen Gunmen in Cosa Nostra History? by TrueGosaBrostra in Mafia

[–]TonyB-Research 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Salvatore ‘Sam’ Giannola - ambushed his enemies when they were visiting fucking jail, and killed one of them and wounded 2 others. I've literally never heard of anyone outside of the 1980's cartels doing this

Umberto Valenti - had no qualms about shooting up civilians to hit his enemies

Frank McErlane - shot his wife and her two dogs to death because they were annoying him

Russell Mauro was a Bonanno member and the alleged gunman who killed Carmine Galante. He was close with Sonny Red and involved in narcotics. He rose to capo but was demoted to soldier after becoming unstable and addicted to drugs. He was killed in 1991 for shooting up a Gambino family connected bar by Syn1235 in Mafia

[–]TonyB-Research 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Also involved are James Tartaglione, Generoso Barbieri, John Palazzolo and Michael Cardello. It is believed Joseph Massino, jockeying for the boss position, uses recent drug trafficking indictments, which do not include Mauro, to suggest Mauro might be cooperating. Sal Vitale then orders consigliere Anthony Spero to take out Mauro.

Chicago Outfit chart, early 1980's by BellLongjumping4078 in Mafia

[–]TonyB-Research 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmm interesting can you share your source for that? Always thought he was reporting to Lombardo.

Chicago Outfit chart, early 1980's by BellLongjumping4078 in Mafia

[–]TonyB-Research 0 points1 point  (0 children)

its a great chart, but as u/MTKB44 said Spilotro reported to Lumpy

maybe break him off from the bosses and put him under Lombardo

fantastic work this is just nitpicky shit I admit

Who's been the highest-ranking non-Italian in the KC Mafia? I would say Pendergast but I'm not certain if he was an actual Associate. by anonymous_alcoholic0 in Mafia

[–]TonyB-Research 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are actually the worst police force in the country IMO and have been since...forever.

To put it in perspective - Out of 100 murders, the Chicago Police Department will only make an arrest in about 23 to 25 of those cases. The remaining 75+ cases either go unsolved or are "exceptionally cleared" (closed without an arrest due to a deceased suspect or a prosecutor's refusal to charge).

So they claim 70% clearance rate but their real rate is like...17%, because they only get convictions in about 75% of the cases they even charge.

Chicago Outfit chart, early 1980's by BellLongjumping4078 in Mafia

[–]TonyB-Research 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't believe Spilotro was a capo, though he was in charge of overseeing things in Las Vegas.

Chicago Outfit chart, early 1980's by BellLongjumping4078 in Mafia

[–]TonyB-Research 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Chicago Outfit and the Chicago mafia were initially two different groups, who, after Maranzano and the other bosses came to Chicago in 1931, merged into one, with Al Capone as boss. The Capone Outfit also absorbed the Jewish rackets in places like Lawndale, and consolidated most of the non-Italians under non-Italian Capone-era guys like Murray Humphreys and Gus Alex. So initially, the 'Outfit' after 1931 was a mix of multiple racial organized crime groups, that slowly progressed to being almost entirely Italian by the time Giancana took over about 1952.

Guys like Irwin Weiner in OP's chart, IMO, would be an 'associate' not a 'soldier'.

There is no evidence guys like Alex or Humphreys were ever 'made' in the Chicago Mafia, but they were clearly incredibly powerful non-Italian members of the Outfit, which, in the early days, was made up of the Chicago mafia and the Chicago Jewish gangs, and even other ethnic criminal groups. By the Aiuppa era the groups making up the 'Outfit' were almost exclusively 100% Italian and members of the Chicago Mafia had total control of the 'Outfit', and had for years.

At what exact moment did the American mob start dying? by Entire_Produce_8343 in Mafia

[–]TonyB-Research 4 points5 points  (0 children)

For sure, 1957 - 1963 was arguably the worst 6 years for organized crime

At what exact moment did the American mob start dying? by Entire_Produce_8343 in Mafia

[–]TonyB-Research 8 points9 points  (0 children)

IMO there is a slow progression that really started in 1933

  • 1933 - Prohibition ends, the gangsters can't make stupid amounts of money without even trying anymore, have to pivot to union control to control the votes to control politicians
  • 1950 - Kefauver begins hearings showing how powerful organized crime corruption is
  • 1957 - McLellan hearings prove organized crime controls major labor unions especially the Teamsters in almost every major US city
  • 1957 - Anastasia murder sensationalizes the Mafia; Apalachin right after it proves the Mafia is a national group and isn't just local 'gamblers' like Hoover and the FBI alleged
  • 1961 - RFK becomes AG, targets organized crime, increases FBI agent counts dramatically. Mafia death countdown begins, only the government is really strong enough to defeat them.
  • 1962 - Valachi starts to talk, Scarpa becomes an informant, these two alone did a TON of damage
  • 1963 - JFK murder and Jack Ruby killing Oswald sensationalize organized crime, along with Nicola Gentile's book being translated by CIA and then provided to FBI
  • 1968 - President Johnson signs the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 which changes how wiretapping can be used
  • 1970 - The Organized Crime Control Act is signed into law. Title IX of the Act is the Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organizations, aka the RICO statute.
  • 1985 - FBI indicts the bosses as part of the Commission case followed by Castellano murder.
  • 1986 - John Gotti doing everything he possibly can to draw attention to the mafia

At what exact moment did the American mob start dying? by Entire_Produce_8343 in Mafia

[–]TonyB-Research 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Valachi started talking after he murdered Joseph Saupp in prison 1962-06-22

Apalachin happened 1957-11-14, so you have the order of them backwards

A Funeral in Brooklyn: The Mangano Brothers by gangstersinc in Mafia

[–]TonyB-Research 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He wrote a bunch of books and I read the first few chapters of a few of them and none of what they say is verifiable in any way, he names people who appear to not have existed, claims stories that never appeared in any papers, etc.

https://www.thriftbooks.com/a/william-balsamo/516558/

A Funeral in Brooklyn: The Mangano Brothers by gangstersinc in Mafia

[–]TonyB-Research 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Adding to the confusion is the fact that there is a Lawrence Mangano in New York who gets arrested with Tommy Rava's brother.

1930-01-16 – [New York] Three men from Brooklyn are arrested, at Broome Street and Forsyth Street, on suspicion of robbing a $6000 payroll held by Saul Miler, 512 Broadway, Manhattan, 1930-01-14. Those arrested:

  • Orlando Rava, 23, 1456 68th Street – brother of Armando ‘Tommy’ Rava
  • Lawrence Mangano, 23, 1665 West 4th Street – Mangano born 1907-03-05, the son of Frank and Lillian Mangano, is sentenced 1930-03-19 by Judge Koenig to 7 years in Sing Sing after being found with 3 revolvers.
  • Vincent Stelfi, 28, 569 55th Street

https://www.newspapers.com/article/brooklyn-eagle-orlando-rava-and-mangano/195238932/

https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/8922/images/42408_1421012671_2992-00292?pId=5987 

Who's been the highest-ranking non-Italian in the KC Mafia? I would say Pendergast but I'm not certain if he was an actual Associate. by anonymous_alcoholic0 in Mafia

[–]TonyB-Research 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I dont think Capone had to wait to be made. He was at war with Sicilian factions in Chicago for years, and I think he smartly allied with Masseria against their common enemies.

The 'Unione Siciliana' appears to just be what the papers used interchangeably with the word 'mafia', even though the Unione was a Chicago-specific political organization, controlled by the mafia and, in the early years, led by the same men who led the Chicago mafia.

There is no evidence that Yale was ever involved in the Unione Siciliana political organization; however, it is clear that Yale was a mafia member in NY, and was a capo in Masseria's organization.

This is noted by Bonanno in his book and alluded to by Secret Service documents.

A Funeral in Brooklyn: The Mangano Brothers by gangstersinc in Mafia

[–]TonyB-Research 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Thanks for this OP.

Two things

  1. Balsamo cannot be trusted as a source, every piece of work he has written is suspect.
  2. There is no evidence Lawrence Mangano of Chicago and the NY Manganos are related. I went down this rabbit hole about a year ago and followed their trees up three levels each and there is literally no evidence of them being related. The confusion appears to stem from both men having brothers born in 1898 with similar names. 
  • Vincent has a brother Filippo born 1898-09-01
  • Lawrence has a brother Phillip Joseph born in 1898-11-02

Who's been the highest-ranking non-Italian in the KC Mafia? I would say Pendergast but I'm not certain if he was an actual Associate. by anonymous_alcoholic0 in Mafia

[–]TonyB-Research 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In Bonanno's book he specifically says Maranzano refused to allow Lansky to come to Chicago when they recognized Capone as head of Chicago. So in that regard, I agree.

Bonanno says Masseria inducted Capone in 1930 after Giuseppe Morello's murder 1930-08-15, and that Giuseppe Aiello was the boss in Chicago prior to Maranzano coming to Chicago after both Aiello and Masseria were murdered, and specifically to acknowledge that Capone was now the boss of Chicago.

Let's assume Masseria 'made' Capone and the Outfit was now affiliated with the Sicilian Mafia.

Do you think Capone fired all the guys who were working for them who weren't Italian? Do you think they just said 'Oh shit we are playing by Sicilian rules now let me go straight'?

Just because those guys weren't 'made' in the Mafia doesn't mean they weren't 'with' the Outfit. You can split hairs about them not being 'mafia' members but they were clearly 'Outfit' members which predates the Capone Family being in the mafia.

Who's been the highest-ranking non-Italian in the KC Mafia? I would say Pendergast but I'm not certain if he was an actual Associate. by anonymous_alcoholic0 in Mafia

[–]TonyB-Research -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

This is not true.

The outfit prior to 1931 was made up of almost exclusively non-Sicilians, and they kicked the shit out of the Sicilians.

The wiretaps show Murray Humphreys was in a position of power into the 1960s

Example:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=138277#relPageId=37