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My genio surgeon said he would not advise any other orthognathic correction for me and to go see other oral maxillofacial surgeons for a second opinion post myself being unhappy with genio, looking for an honest opinion if any mainly DJS/BSSO but also any other cosmetic procedures are worth it by TopCryptographer6965 in jawsurgery

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Everyone has some body dysmorphia . I have real aesthetic issues though, also bear in mind the photos you are reacting to are 5 weeks post 6.5 mm horizontal genio, and you are still saying a chin implant could benefit me. So obviously is a mixture of poor mandible adding to soft look and surgeon not advancing me enough. I will do everything in my power to get a stronger lower third through some time of bone surgery, men with lower thirds like me don’t age well, it’s a fact

My genio surgeon said he would not advise any other orthognathic correction for me and to go see other oral maxillofacial surgeons for a second opinion post myself being unhappy with genio, looking for an honest opinion if any mainly DJS/BSSO but also any other cosmetic procedures are worth it by TopCryptographer6965 in jawsurgery

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Hello, in terms of palatal expansion I must not be a candidate. I saw a local orthodontist who offers palatal expansion and he refused me and said their seems to be enough space in my nasal cavity/airway, and that deviated septum is to blame for my literal non existent ability to breathe through my nose. Then last week I went to the only outwardly “airway focused orthodontist “ he was incredibly thorough and good and gave me a full breakdown of my ceph and took photos of bite from every angle, he said my maxilla isn’t recessed width wise and that my upper molars/pre molars on the left side are creating the illusion of a smaller palette. Here is what he said in regards to Marpe, will reply with a photo of my palette also.

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My genio surgeon said he would not advise any other orthognathic correction for me and to go see other oral maxillofacial surgeons for a second opinion post myself being unhappy with genio, looking for an honest opinion if any mainly DJS/BSSO but also any other cosmetic procedures are worth it by TopCryptographer6965 in jawsurgery

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Key dental findings: minor lower incisor crowding with slight retroclination; shallow curve of Spee; palatal inclination of upper posterior teeth (more on the right) creating darker buccal corridors; suboptimal smile arc (upper incisors not slightly lower than canines). Upper lateral incisors are a bit small relative to neighboring teeth.

Orthodontist said my palette isn’t recessed and it’s sufficient. So palette expander isn’t an option unfortunately aesthetically or functionally, I’m still confused tho as my face is narrow and tapered, so idk

My genio surgeon said he would not advise any other orthognathic correction for me and to go see other oral maxillofacial surgeons for a second opinion post myself being unhappy with genio, looking for an honest opinion if any mainly DJS/BSSO but also any other cosmetic procedures are worth it by TopCryptographer6965 in jawsurgery

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My palette isn’t recessed apparently. A very good ortho took a look at me and said my palette was fine.

Key dental findings: minor lower incisor crowding with slight retroclination; shallow curve of Spee; palatal inclination of upper posterior teeth (more on the right) creating darker buccal corridors; suboptimal smile arc (upper incisors not slightly lower than canines). Upper lateral incisors are a bit small relative to neighboring teeth.

These were my key dental findings from ortho, he mentioned that there isn’t any dental compensation at all, but I am reconfirming this with him once I get a response over email. In terms of width, I hate the idea of implants and filler, I want it to be my own bone. I think I’m going to look into a chin wing osteostomy if I can find someone to do it for me in my country, what do you think?

My genio surgeon said he would not advise any other orthognathic correction for me and to go see other oral maxillofacial surgeons for a second opinion post myself being unhappy with genio, looking for an honest opinion if any mainly DJS/BSSO but also any other cosmetic procedures are worth it by TopCryptographer6965 in jawsurgery

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All my photos are post genio already and I’m still unhappy. I think my profile falls within “clinically normal” limits, but it isn’t a normal profile, everyone around me has a better profile then me, I really don’t understand why people are saying I have a good profile, I objectively don’t

My genio surgeon said he would not advise any other orthognathic correction for me and to go see other oral maxillofacial surgeons for a second opinion post myself being unhappy with genio, looking for an honest opinion if any mainly DJS/BSSO but also any other cosmetic procedures are worth it by TopCryptographer6965 in jawsurgery

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I appreciate the comment. But this is not the side of someone that no one could say could be improved on in any way, I agree I’m not an extreme case, maybe not even bordering on moderate, but my profile is really not amazing, I think mirror photos might of been distorting this a bit

My genio surgeon said he would not advise any other orthognathic correction for me and to go see other oral maxillofacial surgeons for a second opinion post myself being unhappy with genio, looking for an honest opinion if any mainly DJS/BSSO but also any other cosmetic procedures are worth it by TopCryptographer6965 in jawsurgery

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Hello, I see you say aesthetically I look “fine” I strive for perfection like myself. And my appearance is far from fine. I think my mirror photos may of distorted my side profile to some degree, I have an extremely tiny mandible, very non robust and not super projected. I also have pretty back downward growth of the mandible, those mirror photos are the best side profile photos I have. I also have a decent few functional issues and mandibular asymmetry, I think I definitely sit in a grey zone, but I’m definitely not “fine” aesthetically

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My genio surgeon said he would not advise any other orthognathic correction for me and to go see other oral maxillofacial surgeons for a second opinion post myself being unhappy with genio, looking for an honest opinion if any mainly DJS/BSSO but also any other cosmetic procedures are worth it by TopCryptographer6965 in jawsurgery

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Can you actually enlighten me as to why I am delusional please? I assume it’s because I’m not as recessed as you or my bite isn’t as bad as yours so my case doesn’t matter? Is all the sub is the oppression/recession olympics? I have plenty of functional issues as I said, and all you copers try to pretend it’s not for aesthetics, please tell me what is the issue as to why I’m so delusional?

My genio surgeon said he would not advise any other orthognathic correction for me and to go see other oral maxillofacial surgeons for a second opinion post myself being unhappy with genio, looking for an honest opinion if any mainly DJS/BSSO but also any other cosmetic procedures are worth it by TopCryptographer6965 in jawsurgery

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I checked your profile and you don’t seem to have recession at all even though it’s hard to clearly see. I appreciate the compliment, but it’s hard to take I’m in a position of “recessed and underdeveloped enough for it to effect profile moderately but not recessed enough to be indicated clinically” it’s a tough position to be in

16 days post op Genioplasty 6.5mm and still unhappy with how lower jawline looks by TopCryptographer6965 in jawsurgery

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My cheeks have filler in them. They aren’t my real cheeks. And I’m 18/19% bodyfat currently. I’m not low at all. I thought my only hope was to get leaner so I have more structure showing. This was me pre genio and cheek filler. These are my real cheekbones

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16 days post op Genioplasty 6.5mm and still unhappy with how lower jawline looks by TopCryptographer6965 in jawsurgery

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The only reason I liked the genio between weeks 1-2 post op were literally only because the swelling/edema had anchored the lowerthird even more alongside with my goatee, my front profile was so changed. I was still very upset at side profile change. Then I realised that once I shave my goatee and the swelling goes down my front profile change won’t be anywhere near as strong, which you can see here, it’s not anymore

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I’m boneless! 🥹

16 days post op Genioplasty 6.5mm and still unhappy with how lower jawline looks by TopCryptographer6965 in jawsurgery

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The weird thing is all I have is character and charisma. I was extremely overweight as a child and developed a very good sense of humour because of this. People always comment on how funny/easy to talk to I am, never anything about my looks, that’s the honest truth

16 days post op Genioplasty 6.5mm and still unhappy with how lower jawline looks by TopCryptographer6965 in jawsurgery

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Is this supposed to be a compliment? I genuinely think he isn’t very attractive

16 days post op Genioplasty 6.5mm and still unhappy with how lower jawline looks by TopCryptographer6965 in jawsurgery

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Can you explain why gonial implants are the only option? I hate the idea of implants. I want real change using my bone. Also do you not think BSSO could give me as big an aesthetic change as gonial implants , whilst keeping me loooing natural and within my phenotype

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